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James Ellroy

 
 
Margin Walker
08:06 / 14.06.02
In honor of the sel-proclaimed "Demon Dog of American Crime Writing" doing a book reading (his latest, "The Cold Six Thousand") here next week, I was wondering what y'all think of James Ellroy. Other than watching "L.A. Confidential" (which I loved) and reading most of "My Dark Places", I don't have a whole lot of experience with the guy's work. From what I can tell, Ellroy's irascible in real life & meticulous in his writing. And both are brutally honest--with emphasis on the word "brutal." The Onion's interview with Ellroy here.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:55 / 14.06.02
His persona seems to be extremely aggressive and unpleasant, sort of like the Warren Ellis of crime noir. I prefered the 'L.A. Confidential' film take in that it trimmed a lot of fat from a rather slow, rambling book. He does do a good job of making all of his characters solid, not 100% good, not 100% bad, but I'm not going to rush out and read any of his other books.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:56 / 14.06.02
Just to add; When Omnibus or something similar did a prog on him last year it did seem that a lot of his stuff is not written to be read, but written to be heard.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
05:58 / 25.06.02
"Just to add; When Omnibus or something similar did a prog on him last year it did seem that a lot of his stuff is not written to be read, but written to be heard. "

This is definately true of "White Jazz", the fourth of the LA Quartet formed by Black Dahlia, LA Confidential, and the Big Nowhere. It's written in a unique style that flows like imporvisational jazz. Partly, this is because of the technique he used to edit the book when his own editors told him it was too long. He began randomly cutting words. It's a good read if the least convential of the Quartet.

Reading "Killer on the Road" and "My Dark Places" (Ellroy's autobiography) together is a seriously creepy experience. So much of the killer in the first novel is Ellroy himself.
 
 
Margin Walker
20:59 / 26.06.02
Well, I went to the book reading last week and he actually came off as an amiable guy. By no means was he, say, "nice" or "a real sweetheart", but he wasn't nearly as brusque & asinine as I'd thought he'd be. He answered a lot of questions (more than I would've if I were him) and signed my copy of "My Dark Places" thusly: "TO ______, SHE LIVES! JAMES ELLROY" He also said that David Ducovny's gonna play him in the movie of "My Dark Places", if anyone's interested.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
23:20 / 29.06.02
I really enjoyed "American Tabloid" when I read it two years ago. He really CAN be unpleasant though... I like his crankhead, no-sentences-over-three-words style. It's fast writing for, um, fast people.
 
 
matthew.
18:23 / 18.04.05
Has anybody read his new book, Destination: Morgue? I found it unbelievably tedious, although I am a huge Ellroy fan.

{Spoilers!}

Funny story: When I was finishing up The Black Dahlia, I was on the bus, going home. I reached the red herring/fake solution and was shocked. Then... I reached the real solution, and while on the bus, gasped out loud, and started laughing. I looked up at random people, almost saying, "Get a load of this fucking book!" Anyway, I loved it.
 
 
Axolotl
19:02 / 18.04.05
I like Ellroy's books in small doses, but like some other american crime writers like Andrew Vacchs & James Crumley, I find his books a little too brutal to read them very often, especially as I am often reading for relaxation, rather than to explore the dark underworld of american society. I am very aware though that is my own particular preference and wouldn't hesitate to recommend any of the above writers.
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:17 / 19.04.05
I like him. Black Dhalia is a better read than LA Confidential, and the American Tabliod is great, haven't gotten round to COld Six THousand yet, but it's in the pile.

I lent Black Dhalia to a friend, but she hated it, couldn't get into the style at all, and I imagine this is his most accesible book.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
05:11 / 18.05.05
Late getting here as usual. Black Dhalia is an excellent book as is Killer On the Road. In fact the latter scared me in that yummy horror kind of way that books should scare one. It's been years since I've read Ellroy, but this thread has reminded me to catch up. I met him at a signing once in LA about 8 years ago. He was certainly amicable and patient and quite good at presentation, but I did get the sense that underneath it all...etc.
Weird about his mom, I think he did it.
 
 
admiral sausage
09:38 / 19.05.05
I'm a bit an Ellroy fan and have read all of his novels (haven’t read Destination: Morgue yet)
My favourite of his has to be American Tabloid which I finished off re-reading last night, I love that he made me really root for Pete Bondurant who is an amoral pimp, drug dealer, gun peddler and multiple murderer, *SPOILER* I would have been distraught if he had died at the end of American Tabloid, and was chuffed when he appeared in The Cold Six Thousand, which I read that Elroy is currently writing up a follow up to.
I am also fond of another of his anti hero’s Dudley Smith, who crops up in his early book Clandestine, and later is a major character in his LA quartet. *SPOILER* Dudley Smiths fate at the end of White Jazz really made me grin, he was too much of a rascal ( a bit of an understatement) to die.
I can see how people might find his whole clipped dialogue thing annoying

“Wayne yawned. Wayne stretched. Wayne scratched his balls. Wayne dumped his piss cup”

but it seems to suit the pace of the books, and if you don’t like it then read something else milquetoast ! (what is a milquetoast ?)
As for Ellroy’s brusque manner, a mate of mine went to a reading, at the Q+A session after someone asked the question he wanted to ask, he was then had to think of a question on the spot, which was “have you ever considered writing in any other genre?” Ellroys response was not a good one, and left my mate looking and feeling a bit stupid. Apparently he talks in some kind of 1950’s jive all of the time.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
12:41 / 19.05.05
Yes, Dudley Smith certainly is a rascal, that vicious, fascistic ultra-racist child murderer... What a scamp!
 
 
Peach Pie
15:19 / 20.05.05
There was a documentary about him a few years ago. Footage of him travelling round the scenes of unsolved murders in L.A. was interspersed with a dinner of him discussing crimes, including the Black Dahlia, with police. It was scary.
 
 
stml
11:47 / 25.05.05
I think it was Iain Sinclair who in one of his books goes on a big routine about Author Photos, reserving particular venom for Ellroy and his me-an-my-dog jacket photo, where Ellroy manages to look even more like a Pit Bull than his Pit Bull.

This isn't the one I'm thinking of, but it's getting there.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
15:33 / 25.09.07
I've just dived into 'American Tabloid', and I'm really enjoying it. While googling, I came across this amazing autobiographical essay he wrote for the LA Times. Have a read, it's great.
 
  
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