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Johnny Cash: Pro and Con

 
 
Jack Fear
13:28 / 13.06.02
In another thread, Flux said this:
Hey, when you want to start a thread about Nick Cave and/or Johnny Cash, I'll be sure to swing by and talk some trash about them. I've always disliked those two...

I'll pick up the gauntlet. Nick Cave thread hither. Now let's get it on re:
Johnny.
Fucking.
Cash.

I'll make the case for...

Ten Reasons Why Johnny Cash Rules With Fists of Iron

  1. The black clothes, and the story and song behind them, and the way the man has been swallowed by his own character.

  2. Always moves in great company—the Million Dollar Quartet, the Highwaymen—and married into the Carter Family. Also, brought us Rosanne Cash, in all the loveliness of her songs and her voice.

  3. Proceeds from a moral base that understands the real Christian values—mercy, forbearance, and forgiveness—and has no time for the fundamental, the judgmental, or the just plain mental.

  4. Burned down 10,000 acres of national forest while fucked up on crank.

  5. Has never spent more than a night at a time in jail. Recorded At San Quentin and At Folsom Prison anyway.

  6. Understands that judgment begins with personal responsibility: he keeps a close watch on that heart of his, and he walks that fucking line.

  7. Has a Whitmanesque fearlessness with regard to self-contradiction.

  8. The venom behind "The Ballad of Ira Hayes." 'nuff said.

  9. Even when the violence in the songs is presented as inevitable, it's always regrettable.




Bring on the counter-arguments, if you will.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:55 / 13.06.02
I wanna do a "ten reasons why Jack Fear rules with fists of iron".
 
 
grant
18:21 / 13.06.02
When my dad wrote for the Miss. State Reflector, he interviewed Johnny Cash in jail.

Mr. Cash had gotten drunk, see, after a show. In the middle of the night. And then he started knocking on people's doors, offering them flowers. Which he had just pulled out of their gardens.

Sort of sweet, in a fucked up way.

#11 - He covered Danzig. (and Tom Petty).
 
 
Saint Keggers
18:58 / 13.06.02
Johnny Cash is amazing...I have him singing "Ghost Riders in the shy" on one of the big heavey things (they look like records but heavier and plays on the phonograph)". Also many memories of rushing to the bathroom, singing "Burning Ring of Fire", in the morning after an evening of beer and killer hotwings. He was also on the Muppet show. And his Piratehood has already been discussed in another thread.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
23:04 / 13.06.02
not to mention that he plays some of the rockin'est, catchiest songs on any side of the mason dixon line and has people who normally wouldn't go within tar-spitting distance of country music completely convinced.
 
 
Saveloy
07:33 / 14.06.02
12. The voice, the f***ing voice! It's like an, um, enormous mountain of cake crumbling over your head.
 
 
Baz Auckland
08:43 / 14.06.02
What Danzig did he cover? I love his covers of Nick Cave and Soundgarden.
 
 
grant
13:53 / 14.06.02
I was born the child of misery
never had me a name.
They gave me the number
when I was only young....

- Thirteen.


That link also has a sound clip of his Beck cover, which I had forgotten about.
 
 
Loomis
09:10 / 01.07.02
Can anyone recommend a couple of almbums to start off with? There are a few on sale at HMV at the moment; don't know if they're crap or not, or maybe there simply aren't any crap Johnny Cash records. They had San Quentin, and a couple of others, can't remember which ones.

Advice? Suggestions? Witticisms?
 
 
grant
14:33 / 01.07.02
Live at San Quentin covers the hits, but it's *very* live. The prisoners get rowdy and sing along to a couple of them.
 
 
tSuibhne
18:03 / 01.07.02
Of course San Quentin is classic if for nothing else then the reaction the the song "San Quentin" that Johnny debutes that night. The reaction is so loud and rowdy that Johnny does it twice.

Anyone know if the CD has extra tracks? I inherited the record from my dad, and it fades out of the last song.
 
 
Loomis
14:21 / 02.07.02
Prisoners singing along huh? Hmmm. That could be very good or very bad. I'm guessing it's not a bunch of clean cut fellas dancing on the tables, Blues Brothers stylee ...
 
 
Yagg
14:45 / 02.07.02
"Anyone know if the CD has extra tracks? I inherited the record from my dad, and it fades out of the last song."

I was just looking at it at a used record store the other day. There are about half a dozen extra tracks. If I remember correctly it ends with a medley that includes some of the songs that are already on there. I decided to catch up on my Cash collecting next week. This week I opted for Willie, another Highwayman.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:50 / 03.07.02
Can someone answer Mr. Loomis's question....please?

Because it is now my question, also.
 
 
grant
15:09 / 03.07.02
Runce: It's a good thing.

Trivia -- Johnny Cash introduced the Partridge Family. On the pilot for the show, he *must've* just been wandering through some studio backlot or something, got grabbed, and agreed to look into the camera and say, "Ladies and gentlemen, the Partridge Family." (it's for a show-within-the show).
It's completely bizarre.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
18:28 / 03.07.02
Johnny Cash At San Quentin is rockin'. Utterly rockin'. The full remastered version goes for about an hour, and has 18 tracks on it. Thin, reedy guitar-lines, tack-bass and Cash being cool as fuck, even when cheesy. Some of the editing's a bit ropey - levels are noticeably different at some parts - but it's great, overall.

The new(ish) 40-track best-of double CD is pretty good, too - most are studio recordings.

Strangely, it's only when playing the live disc that I recall, faintly, that my dad used to play it on long car trips. I know the words to a whack of this, which is surprising. Though not as surprising as my Dr Hook-fu.
 
 
The Natural Way
18:52 / 03.07.02
San Quentin it is!
 
 
Slim
02:36 / 04.07.02
Whenever our school had a food drive, we'd go to his house and ask them to donate some canned goods. His daughters gave us jack shit. Perhaps he forgot to teach them the Christian idea of charity.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:19 / 04.07.02
Grew up on Cash. 'One Piece at a Time' permanently shaped my understanding of cool. One particular song used to echo around my house at Christmas. My mother, actually, sings Alto, and my Dad sings when we forget to gag him. But we had a great time.

You can quarrel with what he's been and what he is. You can argue that C&W is awful, maudlin, reactionary music. But he's a figure, and I'm a fan. And in many ways, C&W is a revolutionary music as well.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:09 / 05.07.02
Damn straight. We're not going to see Coldplay do a line of prison gigs now, are we?

Then again. Hmmmmmm.
 
 
Margin Walker
03:26 / 20.08.02
*bump* From NME.com:

INTO THE BLACK

Johnny Cash will be joined by Nick Cave, Don Henley and Fiona Apple on a forthcoming new album which will see the Man In Black cover songs by artists such as The Beatles, Hank Williams and Nine Inch Nails.

The ailing great has teamed up again with producer Rick Rubin - the man who helmed Cash's previous three albums - and will release 'American IV: The Man Comes Around' in November 5 in the US, according to Billboard. No release date has been fixed for the UK.

Speaking about the album title, which is lifted from one of three songs he has written for the album, Cash said: "It's a spiritual about Judgement Day. The idea is there's a man going around taking names, and he decides who to free and who to blame."

Nick Cave appears on a cover of Hank Williams' 'I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry' while Fiona Apple crops up on a version of Simon & Garfunkel's 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'. Don Henley appears on cover of The Eagles' 'Desperado'

In addition, Cash reworks old standards of his own 'Give My Love To Rose' and 'Tear Stained Letter' as well as having a run at Nine Inch Nails's 'Hurt' and Depeche Mode's 'Personal Jesus'.

The album rounds off a busy year of Cash releases. 'The Essential Johnny Cash' was released in the spring alongside a slew of early album re-releases, all to mark his 70th birthday.

The tracklisting for 'American IV: The Man Comes Around' runs:

'The Man Comes Around' (Cash)
'Hurt' (Nine Inch Nails)
'Give My Love to Rose' (Cash)
'Bridge Over Troubled Water' (Simon & Garfunkel)
'I Hung My Head' (Sting)
'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' (Ewan MacColl)
'Personal Jesus' (Depeche Mode)
'In My Life' (The Beatles)
'Sam Hall' (traditional)
'Danny Boy' (traditional)
'Desperado' (the Eagles)
'I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry' (Hank Williams)
'The Streets of Laredo' (traditional)
'Tear Stained Letter' (Cash)
'We'll Meet Again' (Ink Spots)
 
 
grant
17:15 / 20.08.02
Hurt.




brilliant.
 
 
Yagg
02:52 / 21.08.02
Johnny Cash IS Johnny Cash. Beginning of story. End of story.
 
  
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