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What about those 600 Material Witnesses?

 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:50 / 16.10.01
From the mainstream press:

quote:Civil liberties strained in terror probe
Unknown number of men with Middle Eastern names held in solitary

Monday, October 15, 2001
By Lois Romano and David S. Fallis, The Washington Post
In a high-security wing of New York City's Metropolitan Correctional Center, an unknown number of men with Middle Eastern names are being held in solitary confinement on the ninth floor, locked in 8- by 10-foot cells with little more than cots, thin blankets and, if they request it, copies of the Quran. Every two hours, guards roust them to conduct a head count.
They have no contact with each other or their families and limited access to their lawyers. Their names appear on no federal jail log available to the public. No records can be found in any court docket in New York showing why they are detained, who represents them or the status of their cases.
The nearly absolute secrecy surrounding the detentions is a growing concern to civil libertarians and legal observers who fear basic rights are being violated as authorities pursue the terrorist conspiracy responsible for the attacks in New York and Washington.
"How many are being held? On what basis? What kind of judicial review is available? All of those seem to be important questions to answer," said Steven Shapiro, national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union.
A 23-year-old Saudi student who was released Tuesday night said he missed three weeks of school and was evicted from his San Diego apartment during his 17-day detention as a material witness, which he described as a humiliating and terrifying experience.
"They don't call you by name ... . They call you [expletive] terrorist," said Yazeed Al-Salmi of guards at the Manhattan facility where he was held for nine days.
Al-Salmi was released after he testified for two hours before a federal grand jury about his encounters with one of the hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Authorities will say virtually nothing about the detainees in the Metropolitan Correctional Center or hundreds of others who have been held during the investigation. The Justice Department has also refused to reveal the names of the lawyers representing them.
It is unknown whether the detainees are considered conspirators in the worst act of terrorism in U.S. history, valuable witnesses or merely people who might have information because they crossed paths with the terrorists responsible for the deaths of more than 5,000 people Sept. 11.
A senior federal law enforcement official involved in the investigation said the detention of material witnesses and others was "pushing the envelope" of civil liberties. The source said some people are being detained based on circumstantial evidence and held for a week or longer without legal representation or permission to contact family members.
"Some of these people have done nothing more than give someone a ride in their car," the official said.
Defenders of the government's tactics say authorities are doing the best they can under the law as they investigate an emotionally charged and complex case that is without precedent. Attorney General John Ashcroft said on ABC's "Nightline" on Thursday that the government's actions are "consistent with the framework of law that we operate under."
Federal officials contend that the government has to adhere to secrecy rules imposed by the New York grand jury investigating the terrorist attack and the orders of federal judges that certain matters be filed under seal.
Michael Mukasey, chief federal judge of the Southern District of New York, declined to discuss anything related to the cases.
"As far as he is concerned," his secretary offered, "they will remain sealed, forever."
The government is relying mainly on two legal methods to detain people in the terror investigation: immigration violations and the material witness statute. At least 165 of the 698 people detained have been held for violations of immigration law. Their detentions can be virtually indefinite if deportation proceedings are begun.
The material witness statute allows prosecutors to hold people who may have information pertinent to the case. They must demonstrate a witness's value to a case and show that he or she may be otherwise unavailable to the court if released. Given the number of undocumented immigrants held in this case, risk of flight is a tangible basis for detention, experts said.
The lack of information about those who have been arrested raises questions about potential abuse of the material witness statute, experts said. Although the law says only that they may be held for a "reasonable period of time," constitutional scholars say the law was not intended to allow indefinite detentions.
"The purpose of the material witness law was to hold people so that you can get them before a grand jury, not to hold people indefinitely while the government searches around for clues," said David Cole, professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University.
Al-Salmi said that during his detention in San Diego and then in New York, he was quizzed by FBI agents and federal prosecutors before he was questioned by the grand jury Tuesday. He was repeatedly asked about his relationship with hijacker Nawaf Alhazmi, who was a housemate of Al-Salmi for six weeks. Al-Salmi said he hadn't seen Alhazmi for 10 months.
He said his ordeal began Sept. 23, when FBI agents banged on his door as he slept in his San Diego apartment.
"One of the agents threw me up against the wall. The only thing I heard was 'material witness,' " Al-Salmi said. "That was it. They took me away."
He said he cooperated with authorities, who "asked me if I helped him or supported him financially. I told them no, you can check the bank."
Al-Salmi said they questioned him repeatedly about the few times he had spent with Alhazmi, including a lunch at a pizza place.
During his arrest, Al-Salmi was denied contact with family and had a few, brief visits from his attorney, Randall Hamud. Despite being told early on that he was not a suspect, Al-Salmi said he was confined to a dirty, high-security cell in New York, where he was deprived of a shower and toothbrush for the duration.
Al-Salmi, a full-time accounting student at Grossmont College, said his incarceration "changed my life. ... I was counting every single minute of every single day. I was praying to get out soon."
Use of the material witness law in the terrorism investigation, some lawyers said, must be examined closely in light of the Justice Department's efforts to win approval of new legislation that would broaden its power to detain suspected terrorists. In House and Senate versions of the bill, suspected terrorists could be held for seven days before they would have to be released or charged with criminal or immigration violations.
Some legal experts are concerned that secrecy can affect a client's representation. Some of the lawyers in the case have been cautioned not to talk about their clients and are routinely prohibited from keeping copies of confidential court records. At least one attorney said he would not talk publicly for fear of angering federal prosecutors.
"It becomes an ugly hardball game if a defense attorney thinks opening his mouth runs the risk of cutting off negotiations. That's a powerful, powerful club," said Irwin Schwartz, president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
Hamud, who represents two other material witnesses, and another lawyer who also represents a material witness said they have grown frustrated that their clients are kept incommunicado.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:51 / 16.10.01
If it is this bad in the US, imagine what it must be like for people being held in the investigation in say, France...
 
 
Graeme McMillan
15:16 / 16.10.01
quote:Originally posted by todd:
If it is this bad in the US, imagine what it must be like for people being held in the investigation in say, France...


I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious and the answer to this question will make me look very stupid indeed, but why would the US be better than France in this situation?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:20 / 16.10.01
I think the French are much less adverse to using torture. And the habeus corpus laws are usually (though not the case here) much tougher in the US than europe and other parts of the world.

I may be wrong though.
 
 
bitchiekittie
15:22 / 16.10.01
youd be amazed at how many people are for this sort of action...the common response seems to be that anyone of possible middle-eastern descent should be considered a suspect and treated as such, regardless of their citizenship status or whatever. people seem to be VERY quick to put the blame out on an entire ethnicity (or maybe I should be more specific and say "anyone who even slightly resembles someone of middle eastern descent") as opposed to a small, select group of individuals (ie murderous/suicidal reactionaries), and in that vein seem to have trashed the notions of "rights" and "freedom" that americans so heartily claim to cherish
 
 
Enamon
16:06 / 16.10.01
You can get the above story here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59466-2001Oct14.html
 
 
Ierne
17:00 / 16.10.01
I'm sitting here shaking, thanking fuck my boss hasn't been called in for something like this. Not that he knows any of the hijackers, mind you.

But if something like that were to happen to him, our company would be well and truly fucked. Our clients would go elsewhere (I suspect some already have, what with the anti-Muslim fervor gripping the US), our vendors wouldn't get paid because he signs all the checks...hell, the designers and I wouldn't get paid either (unless his wife took money from a personal account)...and he's got two little kids.

698 is a big number. It's important to remember that each of these people have lives which impact many other lives.
 
  
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