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Non/dualsim, the Otz Chiim, & daath

 
 
—| x |—
07:43 / 05.06.02
t - 3 and counting...

Introduction:

I will do my best to make this as coherent and readable as possible, but I make no gaurantees that it will not confuse, mystify, or otherwise obsfucate the ideas embedded within. I intend to present to you, dear readers, a certain way of thinking about the Tree of Life in its dualistic manifestation, and here I refer to both its "dayside" and its "nightside" or also known as the Otz Chiim with its sephiroth and qlippoth respectively.

This is, of course, hot on the heals of love for diZzy, and will employ some of the linguistic structures developed in that thread. You have had fair warning.

Thread:

It is commonly thought that the Tree of Life is a diagram that represents the macrocosom in the microcosom; this means, under a standard interpretation, that the forces and archetypes that fit onto the tree are not only present in the external world, but are also parts of each and every one of us. This would look something akin to {external, internal} if we should desire to try and represent the resolution of opposites in a language. For this to be accepted as "the way things are" we must also accept that each of us really is the universe as it exists outside of ourselves, but also, we must accept that we are a manifestation of the universe. In other words, we are both the individual in the world, and the world in the individual. Again, we might represent this as {self, other} or {human, universe} or some other binary pair which shows itself as a singular system, structure or such. This is at once both awesome and empowering, but also terrifying and disempowering. However, as magicians (or whatever label you choose to use) we must strive to remain centred and recognize that we do not need to emphasize or lessen anything that comes our way, but merely live in the now and be. This means that we silently and humbly accept that we are both an individual and the universe at large, assume the responsibility that such a sense of Self requires, but do not conceede to collapse under such an immense and difficult existence.

In traditional qabala there is but ten sephiroth, and there certainly is no recognition of a "nightside" to the tree of life. Perhaps this is where the Jewish tradition could use some reform, but that is not the issue here. In modern or popular qabala we have those practitioners who have added the idea of both an eleventh sephira and the notion of the darkside of the tree. However, I tend to view this as a further decent into dualistic thinking, and intend to illustrate why the two sides of the tree can be seen as one and the same.

Crowley has put forth the importance of the High Priestess as the only arcana which "crosses the desert." Here he has refered to daath through the metaphor of a desert, and I find this curious. Granted, deserts are teeming with life, but we typically associate notions of barrenness, emptiness, lifelessnessand other such ideas with 'desert.' Other magicians have called daath an illusory or false sephira, and EE Rehmus describes it as "existing/non-existing." This says to me that daath is at once real and non-real, or {real, nonreal}, and is an attempt to capture yet a further singularity of {empty, full}. By this I contend that to think of daath as an empty space is also to think of it as a full space, for the dualistic pairing {nothing, everything} represents a reality that we cannot express nor quite comprehend given the limited depth of our language.

Daath is commonly thought of as the gateway to the other world, and by this it is meant to the darkside of the tree with its demon guardians of the tunnels that run between the qlippoth. Rehmus describes this doorway as that through which "death, non-existence, and Hell come into life." However, I see here more dualistic traps of thinking for what is life without death, what is non-existence without existence, and what is Hell without Heaven? In other words, the {true, false} sephira/qliphah 'daath' represents the unification of opposites, the sacred alchemical marriage, the union of {divine, mundane}. Christ himself said that the kingdom of God is here on earth, but we only need the appropriate way to see it (of course, he claimed that this way was through him, and I'd like to think that, as Christ is an archetype that fits into the sixth sephira, tiphareth, that he is a part of us, and his claim is a metaphorical one which invites us to become as Christ through our own works). By 'kingdom of God' I tend to think that this is synonymous with 'heaven' and certainly we can see our world as a Heaven and a Hell depending on our point of view, location in space-time, and other such factors. So, what I am driving at here is that it might be better to think of daath as a sort of black box through which we are able to run opposites to get at their resolution/dissolution.

The cost of such thinking requires that we take a step beyond our beliefs about who and what we are. Again, the Tree is a diagram of both the external world and our internal world, and as such, it appears that it itself is a diagram of the sacred marriage, but what does this mean?

For starters, I feel that it means that we must begin to take responsibility for both the good and the bad in this world. That is, we cannot merely see the horror and claim that we had no part in it, or that it was not our doing. If daath is a doorway to the darkside of the tree, but it has an elusive nature of non/existence, then perhaps it is the case that there is no door: both sides of the Tree are merely one side, and the demons and angels of their appropriate stations on the Tree are merely reflections of the same being (which, if you are picking up what I am putting down, is merely manifestations of your own being). Peter Carrol has said that "a demon is merely a god acting out of turn," and this suggests that there are no such things as god/desses or demons, but only {god, demon}, which we could place into another pairing: {self, {god, demon}}. In other words, each of us is both the host of angels and the hoardes of demons, and it is this recognition and admittance which might actually spur us to behave in more responsible ways to the "others" that inhabit this planet (and again, these others are merely extensions of Self, but seemingly seperate through our immature and undeveloped thought patterns and ways of being).

Further, we must begin to take responsibility for how the world unfolds, and that each one of us is a centre that creates a criss-crossing of manifestations which results in the shared world around us. This appears to mean, like Martin Buber talks about in "I and Thou," that the way we experience the world around us has a direct effect on the way the world around us is. This is given some scientific weight by the fact that two interacting quantum systems define one and other by that interaction. To move from the abstract to the more concrete, an example: suppose you are walking down the street and you are looking at someone and thinking what a snotty fucker he or she must be, your intent and thought behind that feeling assists in generating in that person a sense of their own snottiness. What I am getting at is that we all play a role in collapsing identities of things into ways that will assist in making our own desires and prejudices manifest in those things. Now, since we are the world inside out, what we are really doing is collapsing our own identies into what we feel ourselves to be. Thus, to work on oneself and to strive to discover one's identity, are we not best to attempt to control our knee-jerk reactions and stiffle our personal prejudices. Should we not attempt to overcome our hate by recognizing it for fear, and thus, seek to become fearless as our warrior paths require? It seems to me that by adopting such a large responsibility we may become humble in our own sense of individuality; that is, by attempting to understand our own identity by linking it to the identity of the world around us we become less eager to exploit and abuse because we recognize that it comes around to self-abuse and self-use. Of course, we all have a penchant for self-abuse, but this brings us back to the notion that we all have our inner demons/angels we merely have to come to recognize when it is appropriate to act.

As the Buddhists have urged us with their eight-fold path, we come to appropriate action through appropriate thoughts and speaking (this is not the whole of the path, but will do for my hijacking of their ideas here). Certainly our language has placed us in cages with shackles forged strong from the depths of history, but there is no reason why we cannot make the attempt to break such bonds. Indded, it appears that this is the magickal path in its essence: not about control, desire or manipulation, but about realization and self-actualization. However, if we cannot work to see ourselves as part of the problems that we face in our daily affairs, then how can we even attempt to think that we can be part of the solutions?

Conclusions:

Daath represents a synthesis of opposites, and it is the most important sephira/qliphah in so far as it urges us to recognize that the nightside and the dayside of the Tree are one and the same, and it is ourselves who come to create and destroy, to heal and to harm, to live and to die. Certainly we need to be evil in the same way we need to be good (since one only has existence in contrast to the other), yet, we can certainly make the attempt to emphasize a positivity over a negativity, and in the end, transcend dualism altogether as we cease to look for answers because we have no more questions, or rather, because we recognize that there never were any questions in the first place, but only a lost and confused Self who insists on remaining trapped in a hall of mirrors which was built by the Self's own hands.

Again, agian, again, I ask: who are you, who are you really?

{0, 1, 2}
 
 
cusm
17:57 / 05.06.02
I tend to think of Daath as a misinterpretation of an idea that is included within Tipharet. In Tipharet, we have the dead and risen God, and the pathway to transformation that occurs through death (initiation). Why is another sphere necessary for Daath, when the process of death is already included in Tipharet? I think seeing Daath in the position of the abyss is a reflection of Tipharet into the abyss. If the Abyss is seen as death, one will fail to cross it, seeing death rather than the transformation into the primordial energies which await across from it: The primal duality of yin (Binah) and yang (Chockmah), and their transcendental unification into Tao (Kether).

The abyss too is an illusion. It represents a barrier we erect between the levels of relaization we can reach as humans, and the levels we can not reach save through divine inspiration, or transcendence through death. There are many paths across to the top three spheres, not all involve death. The divine awaits beyond the abyss, to the dualistic thinker, with the earthly reams below. When one realizes that the macrocosmic and microcosmic are one, there is no abyss for all the spheres are within the self and so are accesible. If the {self,divine} duality is resolved and understood as M3 describes above, death is merely change from one state to another, for there is truely no dissolution or distruction of reality, only change into new states.
 
 
the Fool
23:33 / 05.06.02
I see the concept of Daarth as realisation that there is no tree. There is no division. The tree of life is like a game. Its all representation.

I had this sort of a revelation when I was designing my own universe. I had the forces of good and the forces of evil, in eternal opposition as they always are. As I attempted to resolve the concepts of light and dark I found that the 'universe' was represented by the fractal line between the two infinites, like in a zerba fractal or yinyang symbol. The infinite extremes of generating light and devouring dark were both equally inaccessable. I began to see that for any of the beings, that were to represent the two inifinites, to have form they must embody at least some of the opposing infinite. For only infinite good is truely, completely good, and only infinite evil is truely, completely evil. Everything else combines, at least to some degree, both.

The infinites themselves, do not exist, or at least do not exist in the universe where there manifestations are felt. (they could exist in a universe where only it existed) We can approach infinite, but never reach it. Think of the exponential graph, it might hit vertical but it never reaches an end. If it did it would not be infinite.

So, my metaphysical model for the universe was falling apart. There was no 'pure' good, there was no 'pure' evil. There was no reason for conflict. The opposing forces were one and the same. No black and white, just a colour spectrum between hot and cold. The metaphysical structure became transparent and then vanished.

Perhaps the same thing is found in the concept of daarth. Once you examine the structure of the tree for a time, its time to see the tree for what it is again. There is no tree. And through its dissolving leaves the world becomes visible again. There all the time but hidden behind layers of representation and self deception.

The void quietenes the mind so that might see and hear what is in front of us. The void is not empty. There is no void.
 
 
SMS
03:07 / 06.06.02
I'm afraid I don't know too much about Daath.

One thing I did find interesting, though, was that just before I read your post, I was toying with the idea of God being a set of relations, in the set theoretic sense. One relation might look somethig like

{< higher thought, basic thought >, < symbols, world >, < X,Y >, ...}

Another might look like
{..., < self, other >, ...}.


The way the < X,Y > ordered pair is defined is

< X,Y > := {X,{X,Y}}

so
< self, other > = {self, {self, other}}

In this sense, Daath, as you see him, would not be so much God, but perhaps a set of 2-sets I could define right now if I really wanted to give it much thought.
 
 
6opow
07:33 / 06.06.02
Daath is a station on the Tree of Life, SMatthew, and neither a him, nor a god!



This is fascinating how we have modthree saying that daath might be the most important station on the Tree, and we have cusm saying that it is a misrpresentation or a mistake. Talk about generating a dualistic perspective!



So cusm, are you saying that we have in tipharet both the death of the mundane self and the rebirth of the divine self, or are you saying something a little different? Your post makes me think about a further pairing we could call (and I hope I get this language right) {tipharet, kether}, perhaps? I am thinking this because of what you say about the illusory notion that tiparet is the highest of human pursuit, and that kether is over the abyss. So maybe it is not so much that daath is a misrepresentation, but more a little like what modthree is saying about "sacred marriage" in that perhaps daath is the pairing and relation between the crown and the heart...I will think about this some more.

I am enjoying what the fool has said about infinity. I too sometimes think of, I believe they're called, "assymtotes" (or something like that) in relation to infinity. Indeed, we can not reach to infinity and arrive at it because our ways of thinking break down at the singularity that resolves the seemingly seperate binary pairings. This seems similar to how many physicists believe that the laws of nature (or physics) break down as they try to approach the singularity of the big bang (or perhaps even a black hole).

modthree, you make some thought provoking points, but I must wonder why you (at times anyway) sound like some sort of preacher? If we get beyond good and evil, then why must there be anything such as "appropriate action"? In your own thought, it seems that we would have {apropriate, inapropriate} and {action, nonaction}. Perhaps this is where we could go with cusm's import of Tao? The Tao is more akin to simply being then "apropriate action" seems to be, and it seems to me that "Tao" appears to jive nicely with the fool has said in his post regarding the illusory dualistic extremes.

But I suppose "Tao" becomes another way of categorizing our experience and giving a name to something that can not be named. Perhaps this is how you see "appropriate action."

So are we the fractal line that entwines an infinity, and if so, what does this mean for us?
 
 
cusm
14:53 / 06.06.02
are you saying that we have in tipharet both the death of the mundane self and the rebirth of the divine self?

Yes, for Tipharet contains that as a process of initiation. The cycle of death and rebirth in included in this sphere, which represents the archetype of the divine which follows this process: The Sun, Jesus, Osiris, etc.

As for {Tipharet,Kether}, that sort of pairing is understood through the paths of wisdom. In this case, The High Priestess (Gimel, 3). Why should we put a false sphere where a path already has defined? If anything, Daath is the path of the High Priestess, for in the process of death and rebirth we initiate to the divine through the femenine path of submission of the ego in the highest sense: dissolution and death.

But what M3 and others seem to strive for is some understanding of an anti-tree, or no-tree. If the tree seen all at once as a single thing as {man,divine} and all of creation and reality, then wouldn't its anthesis simply be to not look at it at all? Daath as looking away from the tree in to the darkness and void in which it lies. But in looking away from the tree, in ceasing to subdivide the {self,god} plex, we are unified. In unconscious being do we come to full realization of the self, in contemplating void is all of creation behind and of us, and we it. Only from one infinity can the other be fully seen, and in fully seeing one infinity do we become the other. So, if I were to use Daath at all, I would place it around the tree entirely, the page on which it is drawn, rather than giving it a place within it's structure.
 
 
Rev. Wright
20:34 / 09.06.02
Mork Calling Orson, Come in Orson.......

I've come to an understanding that people (myself included), define themselves by their interactions. Self generated to reactions to external stimuli, including people. Mirroring.

The Anglo-Saxon rune, Daeg



deals with transformation, transistion, paradox, duality. It also resembles infinity.



One can superimpose a hexagram, with Daath as the centre. As mentioned in the Hexagon thread, the sacred geometry of it is one of the balancing of opposing energies.

The Armenian rune for Hagal, resembles the innner spokes of the hexagram:
'Rune ov the world tree, ov the world, ov the Tree ov Life.
'Symbolizes maintenance and equilibrium ov the moving universe.'


Mork Out
 
 
Logos
14:05 / 10.06.02
In Tipharet, we have the dead and risen God, and the pathway to transformation that occurs through death (initiation). Why is another sphere necessary for Daath, when the process of death is already included in Tipharet?

Why are there rests in a piece of music?

Daath is all about the things that could have been, but weren't. The formation of the ten sephiroth was a substantial task, even for G-d. Seven of the ten are thought to 'leak' or be 'broken' under the pressure of containing the divine essence that flows through them. Each of these is a proverbial 'mountain that's too heavy for G-d to lift', while also being liftable. There were/may have been/never existed other sephira, other creations that failed. The shells of these are thoughts that cannot be unthought, but which are also not expressed. The energy that enlivens the ten does not flow through these, but they had to be placed somewhere, so they exist in Daath (Knowledge), the respository of the worlds that are not.

Daath also represents the mold that formed Malkuth, the negative impression that remained after Malkuth 'fell' from the state of the Garden of Eden.

It also contains the alternate perspectives of the Tree. For example, reversing the Tree to 'enter Universe B', where the qlippothic aspects of the lower sephiroth dominate. Metaphorically, this is a moral fable about the value that places materialism supreme, as opposed to the rectified Tree, which represents the preeminence of the spiritual perspective. Note that the qlippoth are the result of an imbalance of the divine forces, rather than something alien to the divine. In other words, sometimes and in someplaces, the divine light of a certain flavor shines too brightly compared to the rest. Daath is the library of these other possibilities.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
08:14 / 11.06.02
Is Daath reflected in the Qlippoth? Is it like a worm-hole between both trees, existing in both?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
08:18 / 11.06.02
And does that mean there is an "anti-Abyss" between Thagirion and Thaumiel? (Sinking through the mire into ultimate corruption–interesting that, if as you say Da'ath represents the unification of opposites, then the fact that the nightside version of Kether is Thaumiel or "Twins of God" or "Opposing Forces" means something like transcendental dualism–being locked off from unity? And this points to perhaps a negative version of Da'ath which is perhaps the dissolution into opposites instead of unity?
I'm new to Qabalah so tell me if I'm messing up.
 
 
Logos
14:47 / 11.06.02
Since Kether is one of the sephira that did not break, I'm not entirely sure that it has a qlippothic aspect in traditional Qabbalah, at least in some lineages.

On the other hand, the Golden Dawn correspondance tables indicate Thaumiel ("Twins of God") as the qlippoth of Kether. The corresponding characteristic is futility, as the duality struggles without resolution, between Mercy and Severity.

If we look at the Qlippoth as 'failed' sephira, then they would not transcend to Atlizuth, and would exist entirely within or below that level of the abyss.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
21:30 / 15.06.02
Here's something I flashed on last night while struggling to get to sleep:
If Da'ath corresponds to Knowledge, is the reason that it's missing from the tree because it's the fruit of knowledge that Adam plucked off of the tree??
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:43 / 15.06.02
Very good Antlerhead...excellent connection.
 
 
6opow
19:59 / 17.06.02
Why should we put a false sphere where a path already has defined?
~~cusm

Now, while I see what you are saying (to the extent that my own ways of seeing correspond with yours), I think that maybe this might have been what modthree was saying about daath being the sephira of alchemical marriage: daath is neither a “false” sephira, nor is it a “true” sephira; rather, it appears to be and not be—a black box of unification/seperation! However, I think that your idea of drawing daath around the Tree itself, or as seeing it as the page that it is inscribed on is very appropriate here—it is the canvass on which manifestation occurs, the haver of properties unhad. Perhaps like space-time, which would be nonexistent (or all curled into itself) if there were not things occupying it, i.e., without contrary forces, alternating currents, light and darkness.

Will, I want to thank you for putting dagaz into a novel perspective for me. I’ve always felt close ties to this rune, but never quite understood it in the light that you put forth in your post. Much thanks!

The energy that enlivens the ten does not flow through these, but they had to be placed somewhere, so they exist in Daath (Knowledge), the respository of the worlds that are not.
~~Logos

Hmm…but I do not think that we can say that there are worlds that “are not.” I tend towards thinking that there is a multiverse of worlds, but that it is merely my consciousness, awareness, and likely biological factors, which prevents me from existing in too many of these worlds. Certainly, I live in a different world in dreaming than I do in day-to-day life, and even in day-to-day life I can cross into other words through focussed attention. But I am getting off track here. What I want to say is that the Tree itself is thought to be reflected infinitely throughout it’s own structure: each sephira contains all the other sephiroth, indeed, contains the whole Tree itself (microcosom/macrocosom); thus, I tend to think that all worlds both are and are not, but it merely depends on which world you find yourself standing in that will manifest some worlds as “are” and others as “are not.” But then, I think your statement regarding daath as being the “mold for malkuth” fits here: daath contains all the possible worlds, where malkuth is the manifestation of a single possible world at a lone instant of time.

Da'ath represents the unification of opposites, then the fact that the nightside version of Kether is Thaumiel or "Twins of God" or "Opposing Forces" means something like transcendental dualism–being locked off from unity? And this points to perhaps a negative version of Da'ath which is perhaps the dissolution into opposites instead of unity?

I think this is really quite neat, but again, I wonder about trying to see daath as “this” or “that.” I am thinking, perhaps as modthree was trying to say, that daath is this strange attractor that we cannot quite separate into a unification nor speration device, but only think about as an odd thing-a-ma-jigger that acts in ways very foreign to our ways of thinking and being. Perhaps we could think of it (metaphorically of course) as that bit of alien technology that is outside our range of production (unless, of course, you happen to be a master alchemist with the philosopher's stone tucked inside your pocket! )
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
02:40 / 18.06.02
Perhaps the best way to experience Da'ath would be through using Spare's Neither-Neither meditation.
 
 
the Fool
06:33 / 24.06.02
Some thoughts...

If we accept the concept of the two sided tree, doesn't Tipharet get replaced by Daath as the 'centre' around which the spheres revolve?

Daath represents the only clear passage between light and dark. It is what joins the two aspects, unless the darkside of the tree isn't separate at all.

Another thought, though my knowledge of Qabbalah is very limited so this might be crap. If Thaumiel is the struggle/futility of unresolved duality, isn't it sort of representing the entire dualistic nature of the light/dark tree? Though it only works if one accepts a divided tree.

If there are two sets of godhead - Kether and Thaumiel - aren't neither actually godhead. Kether would cease to be godhead as it has an equal, but the equal is a representation of its struggle with its opposite (or at least looks that way). And thus is not equal as it is divided in two (mercy/severity) and because it is a reflection of itself and Kether in eternal opposition. If this is sort of right it means that part of Kether is embedded in the opposite side of the tree. Thus Kether, itself, is not complete.

Here is an idea. If there was a catclysm that split the tree, prehaps it wasn't the seperation of human from god but a division within god. A split in Kether created the tree. A reflection pulled through the black hole that is daath, mearly by the perception of 'otherness' in nothingness. When you stare into a void of infinite permutations anything you imagine is real.
 
 
cusm
01:06 / 25.06.02
If the tree were perfect, if God were perfect, there wouldn't be much room for reality as we know it, would there? Reality is the play of chaotic imperfection, and the continual struggle towards unreachable perfection against complete destruction and dissolution. God as the abstract concept is white light. Reality is the rainbow that shines from the prism.

Kether is the perfection of singularity. It is also the absence of change.
 
 
6opow
02:30 / 28.06.02
I would want to go with the idea that the two sides of the Tree are separate when interpreted that way by certain beings with certain biological, psychological, and spiritual limits. In itself it is not the light or the dark, but something and nothing (damn I hate trying to talk about unspeakable things—the frustrations of language existing as a function of binary opposition).

Hey fool, isn't the Jaine (sp?) religion or...(damn, hate not having resources at my fingertips) some other religion (around the same period and place in history—Manichean?) sorta' along those lines—a split in the god that created a good and an evil power, which manifests as two beings, but is ultimately an expression of one being?

Reality is the play of chaotic imperfection, and the continual struggle towards unreachable perfection against complete destruction and dissolution.

~~cusm

But isn't it chaos and complexity which becomes self organized, and thus, takes on the structure of an ordered system? That is to say, it seems to me that perfection could be as equally chaotic as imperfection, or, as the compliment, imperfection could be as ordered as perfection. That said, I have some sense of what you are saying (I think), but as I express above, it is so difficult to try to convey any sense of the resolution of dualistic thoughts when our very language is structured on schisms between "is" and "is not."
 
 
cusm
02:47 / 28.06.02
Aye, especially when what I'm trying to say is a paradox to begin with. It never quite seems to come out right, or if it does I sound like Yoda. Phoey.
 
 
the Fool
03:34 / 28.06.02
I had an idea from reading promethea last night. Perhaps Binah represents the resolution of opposites through the virgin/whore duality. One being, different aspects. The extremes (Babylon vs Maria) being its limits not its source.
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:52 / 25.09.05
"Daat

Daat (knowledge) is the third faculty of the intellect. It is the ability to integrate and harmonize diametrically opposed views or states of being. As mentioned above, when keter is counted, daat is not, and vice versa. In terms of the soul powers, daat in fact plays a dual role: On the one hand, daat is the power which binds together the powers of chochma and bina. In this capacity it is called daat elyon (higher daat), which generally remains in a state of concealment. As such it is identified with keter. On the other hand, daat serves as the bridge between the opposing domains of the intellect and the emotional attributes of the soul. In this capacity it is called daat tachton (lower daat). Daat is not merely another stage of intellect; it enables one to convert understanding into the vitality and inspiration of the emotions and actions. In this sense, the Zohar, refers to daat as "the key to the six [emotions]" (Zohar 3, 22a).

A person who possesses daat will therefore exhibit rational, mature behavior, whereas one who lacks daat is emotionally immature and will probably be plagued by inner emotional conflict. "

Where did i put my daat?

Powers of the soul
 
  
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