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moriarty
21:14 / 02.06.02
For the last few years, off and on, I have made little cartoon entries in my journal. I'm nowhere near as prolific as James Kochalka, or as talented. Usually I work on it when I've hit some artist's block, just to take a few minutes to limber me up. I've recently started on them again, and when I told a few friends about it, they asked if I could post the old ones somewhere. So, I've obliged.

Sorry about the pop-up ads.

Here.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
07:20 / 03.06.02
these are fuckin' great!
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:22 / 03.06.02
I like your style. I'd like to see some of your more worked-out stuff, as well.
 
 
ill tonic
00:52 / 04.06.02
Sweet.
 
 
Sandfarmer
03:18 / 04.06.02
Those are pretty good. You handel focal point and perspective pretty well. Perspective is my downfall. (Of course not being able to draw for fuck does not help either.) For me, the sign of a good graphic storytelling is if you can tell what is going on without reading any of the dialog or captions and yours do that just fine. All the angles work well. You pull off time durrations well. That can be pretty hard. I see lots and lots of guys published by DC and Marvel who can not for the life of them convey that time has lapsed from one panel to the next.

Ever tried telling a story or joke in one page? It's a good exercise.

Oh, and like the Sam Kieth girl one.
 
 
moriarty
05:08 / 04.06.02
Thank you, everyone.

Sandfarmer, my sense of perspective is pretty off. I do a real good job faking it! My main inspiration is Harold Gray's Little Orphan Annie. So little happens in that comic, and the characters are so stiff, that every little movement becomes very important. I mostly like doing these so I can play with the form without having to worry about draftmanship.

I'm not so sure about the Sam Keith one, though it makes me laugh to think how geeky me and my friends can be. The overwhelming favourite of most people is this one.



I'd like to think that it's singled out because of the simple design and chunky blacks, but chances are people just like to see booty.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
07:26 / 04.06.02
so... what would be some guildines on how you DO show time lapse between panels?
 
 
Sandfarmer
13:26 / 05.06.02
If I could explaing that in a simple paragraph or so, I'd probably have a job in comics by now. All, I know is that you know it when you see it. A recent non-Quitely issue of New X-Men comes to mind when I think of examples of artists who can't seem to lapse time between panels effectively. (Remember that giant White Queen mental freak out page a few issues back? I still have no idea what is going on in that page.)

The "booty" panel up above does a good job. You know what's going on because the perspective has changed and the character has moved from one side of the door to the other.

I've been checking out a lot of old Archie comics lately. Those things are brilliant. They are laid out so well that you don't have to read any dialog or captions to know exaclty what the story is. I plan on flat out stealing from Archie comics on my next comic.
 
 
moriarty
14:16 / 05.06.02
I make it a habit to steal from Dan DeCarlo and company as much as humanly possible. I want to bring back having characters' hats fly off their heads when they get surprised. I was comparing the old Archies to a new Archies comic the other day, and none of the new ones have that kind of manic pizazz anymore.

I thought you might've been asking me, Mystery Gypt, and I was hiding in the corner until someone else came out to answer your question. I'm lucky with these short strips that I'm only usually showing a few seconds to a minute at a time. New X-Men must be the trickiest comic out there right now for panel-to-panel transitions because everything happens so fast, with so many scene changes.

The first thing that came to mind as an example of doing this badly is the Art Adams X-Men annuals (I'd point out examples from New-X-Men, but I've only ever briefly glanced them over). In those Art Adams books you'd see Storm and Gambit breaking into the X-Mansion (last seen in the Deep South hanging around), where they'd meet some other X-Men and without any question as to what Storm has been up to recently, they'd meet more X-Men, seemingly at random. Then even more X-men had joined the team, and you never saw them join up, and for some reason they'd be on top of the Fantastic Four building talking about the villain they're after, and in the next page they'd be in the villain's hideout.

I'm sure my memory is making it seem worse then it is, and that there was some actual explanation for these weird transitions, but you couldn't really get a grasp of how much time this was all taking place in. Everybody seemed very panicked, but they were all wandering around bumping into each other that made it seem like weeks or months had gone by.

I actually got the same feeling of time loss for both Spider-man and Star Wars 2. Peter Parker gained superpowers, practiced with them, buried an uncle, finished high school about five seconds later, moved to New York where he lost a job that you never saw and gained one all in ten seconds, beat up a rapid succession of thugs, and saw the girl he was crushing on go through two to four guys, depending on how you count. I imagine all this happened over a period of months, but I can't say for sure.

I guess those are more scene-to-scene transitions, and not panel-to-panel transitions. Sorry, but they irk me.

Um, in more related news, I put a few more up, and will be doing so on a semi-regular basis. They can be found in the 2002 pages, or you can go directly here and hit the next button from there.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
23:12 / 05.06.02
Room for more backslapping? Good. Keep them coming, Moriarty. I can't get enough of those cats...
 
 
Sandfarmer
00:47 / 06.06.02
btw A cousin of mine recently mailed me a huge box of Archies from the 70's and 80's. They are brilliant. You can tell from each body pose what the characters emotion is. Is very iconic. Just like in Wil Eisner's book. I was then inspired to check out some more recent Archies. They are, to say the least, inferior but they still have decent sequential storytelling.

In short, I miss Deadenders.
 
 
moriarty
16:34 / 06.06.02


For the record, I like Kordey.

Funny thing about cat cartoons. Supposedly, newspaper editors hate them. Even when they aren't any good, or popular, they're almost impossible to get rid of, since cat lovers en masse freak out when one is dropped from the comics page. I could probably do a strip a day about my babies, and please half my friends and family to no end, but I don't want to get stuck in that kind of rut.

I think we should make this the unofficial, secret Archie thread. Anyone ever read the Archie vs. Punisher comic?
 
 
grant
19:20 / 06.06.02
Yes. And I bought an extra copy and sent it to Stephin Merritt when I heard he was starting a band called the "Gothic Archies" because of that brilliant logo.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:28 / 06.06.02
Wow, Moriarty - I vividly remember exactly which Art Adams X-Men annual yr talking about. In defense of Arthur Adams, don't you think Chris Claremont's overcomplicated script was full of plot holes, and Adams was just trying his best to simplify things as much as he could?
I would like to think that's why a lot of Igor Kordey's work in the Imperial storyline was so clipped and strange - I think Grant Morrison's writing can be very awkward in structure. Those two issues of Imperial that Kordey drew were sort of redundant, and were literally one issue of story split into two issues to keep Frank Quitely on schedule for the finale.

Also, I think a lot of Morrison's ideas aren't very easy to illustrate. There's one scene in which Igor is alotted one panel to show that one of the Imperial Guard has been placed in a halucination by the Cuckoo girls, and the next panel, that character has to be shown wandering off in a haze. It's just a mess, and there's three or four other actions happening on that page, accompanied by loads of dialogue.

I think this sort of thing is a common problem with writers who do not draw who write for those who can. In Grant's case, sometimes he is blessed with a guy like Frank Quitely who can make even his weirdest ideas and transitions clear and easy to follow on the page, but that doesn't happen every time.

Anyway...

I agree that a good way to see if someone is a good visual storyteller is to just read the comic without reading the words. This is what I do every time I buy the recent John Romita Jr. Amazing Spider-Man comics -I've found that the writer's words get in the way of my enjoyment, that JRJR can tell me a story that I can understand and appreciate while only barely scanning the dialogue.

Yeah, I read that Archie Vs. Punisher comic. It was so incredibly absurd, I loved it.

Those are very nice little practice comics, Moriarty. I'm pleased to finally see your work - I think you have a lot of talent, and I think you'll end up doing some pretty great things in the future.
 
 
moriarty
18:33 / 07.06.02
I really wish that they had gone through with the Jughead/Wolverine crossover that was hinted at the end of the Archie/Punisher comic. Jughead, one of the world's most powerful mutants. It makes perfect sense.

Apologies to Art Adams. I was using that annual as a (very bad) example of messy time passages in comics. Obviously Claremont had a lot to do with that.

Thanks, Flux. I'm really not all that good yet, but I'm working hard. And I've just started copying Archie comics because of this thread, so expect to see jalopies and hair standing on end soon. Man, those Archie comics kick ass.

Too bad my internet access is down and I have to rely on Muskoka's sole internet cafe AKA the employment centre, to post this message, because I'd put the latest cartoon up at my site if I could. Yesterday Gary and I called the Jenny Jones show. We think we're going to get on.

Have a nice weekend!
 
 
grant
23:12 / 07.06.02
My (23 year old) stepdaughter has a great story about almost getting on the Montel Williams show when she was 17....

Good luck.
 
  
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