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New X-Men #127

 
  

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The Natural Way
07:49 / 10.06.02
It is indeed.

For me, the thing that moved me most was Xorn's inability, despite the fact that the cops had just set a kid on fire, to stop being a good guy. He should've been all hateful and angry, but, instead, there he is at the end, healing everyone. God, he's cool.

Get in there, Scott!
 
 
Ellis says:
10:10 / 10.06.02
Xorn question: Why does he still wear the chains under his X Jacket? And does he have pipes coming down from his neck into his chest, or is that me?
 
 
The Natural Way
10:15 / 10.06.02
Frank always draws him all cyborgy. Who cares: he's the Iron S&M Angel and he's got my vote!
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:22 / 10.06.02
Lada, your comment reminded me of something : I suddenly realised how the X-Men seem to be a bit prone to doing whatever Xavier (or whoever’s being Xavier at the time) says… I’m thinking of the end of ‘E for Extinction’ where they appear to accept ‘Xavier shooting Nova’ (which it wasn’t, I know, but they didn’t know that at the time), and the bit in the annual where it’s said ‘we’re allowed to do this stuff now’ (or words to that effect).

Makes me wonder : how strongly could the X-Men be said to believe in Xavier’s Dream when they’re so willing to still go along with it when it’s changed ? Is it the content of the dream (that humans and mutants can live together in peace) that they support, or is it just the fact that it’s Xavier who’s saying it ?

I’m not knocking the storylines or anything here, just thought it was a point that might be worthy of discussion…

DBC
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:27 / 10.06.02
Ellis: the idea I always get when I see the chains is that they're there to keep his helmet on - if his head is a miniature sun with fairly awesome destructive power then presumably the helmet has to held down pretty tightly...
 
 
Ellis says:
11:44 / 10.06.02
I was under the impression that Xorn could control his powers.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:34 / 10.06.02
Getting lost in the anal fanboy mire, guys.

DBC - my two pence: The killing Cassandra thing was a bit of a moral connundrum, wannit? I think all the X Men felt that, as well as feeling too fucked and haggard to complain.... Remember, two team members don't share Charles's affection for "this precious human existence" at all: Logan and Emma. They're hardly going to be that bothered if Charles chooses to off the worst psycho they've ever met, are they? Jean and Xorn best exemplify Charles's ideals, at the mo', but this idea that they're somehow all in Charlies' thrall doesn't tally w/ where I know Morrison wants to take this book.

One of the first statements Grant made about NXM was that the team would, at long last, be composed of people that behaved like adults - meaning no more super-hero style scrapping, posturing, posing as bleedin' "warrior-poets", or blindly yes-manning Charles Xavier.

See:

Jean refusing to take commands from Charles - she believes she knows what's best for him; Scott contradicting Charles's order to remember their formations, suggesting instead that the team rely on instinct (from stratified, hierachical, rigid structure to fluid, amorphous, yielding anarchy)...there's probably more.....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:45 / 10.06.02
I think another major reason Scott wanted them to act on instinct was to give the telepathic less of an advantage as instict is hard for a telepath to read.

Hm. I still think Scott is still more or less in Xavier's pocket, but I think that's the way it should be, until Scott has that massive nervous breakdown that we're being promised.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:12 / 10.06.02
I agree- some X Men are more Xavierified than others, but, nevertheless, Grant was using Cyk to make a point. Fuck the content - Scott contradicts Xavier!
 
 
No star here laces
15:27 / 10.06.02
Diving back into the fanboy mire briefly...

Xorn can eat cos it isn't his head that's a sun, it's his brain. Presumably he still has a mouth for the purposes of eating food to maintain his fleshy body...
 
 
Trijhaos
16:17 / 10.06.02
Sure his brain is the sun. But, what if his power manifested the same way Chamber's did? You know, it could have blown his physical head away leaving him with a sun floating there.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
19:42 / 10.06.02
Maybe he was just vaporizing the rice with his fusion brain to make his friend feel comfortable. Even if he wasn't "eating" the rice, he would still go through the motions as a socail exercise.

-Jesse
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:21 / 10.06.02
Xorn doesn't really have a head, we know this because we've seen Xorn without his mask - it's just all glowy, and you can see the remnants of his skull orbiting the sun-brain. Check his first appearance in the annual.

I would imagine that his body still needs nutrients to function, hence he needs to eat.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:15 / 11.06.02
Right! To the chapel! I'm marrying all you guys!
 
 
rizla mission
13:01 / 11.06.02
I found this issue, well, rather moving in fact.


I just found an X-Men comic 'rather moving'. Kill me.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:09 / 11.06.02
I did, too.

I can no longer kill now (apart from those seal bastards [and they're all evil, anyway]) - hence the "babality" thing. The X-Men are into that, too (Emma Frost WINS! Babality!). I'm in good company.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:40 / 13.06.02
Xorn might have his ups and downs, but I get the impression he's being used by Morrison as a light to guide the way into our glorious mutant future: A cipher for the obliterating light of the new aeon! Nativity X!

as said by runce and I'd agree.

But I've been thinking a wee bit about xorn and while he may well be representative of the new sincerity which surely must replace the hellish and dull cynicism which only a few years ago seemed so attractive, he's also, well:

quite old-fashioned.

in a way he's representative of the idealistic heroes of yore....

no?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:48 / 13.06.02
Yeah, Grant always likes to chuck in the odd superman.
 
 
ghadis
13:53 / 13.06.02
Great issue...Very sad...Reminded me a lot of that Captain Britain story that Jamie Delano and Alan Davis did not long after Moore left. Particarly when the big headed mutant is brought down by the cops whilst Xorn (CB) looks on helplessly...Anyone else remember that?

Great stuff...I hope Moriison does some more of these single issue tales and Leons art is beautiful...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:17 / 13.06.02
xorn: the odd superman

nighse.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:27 / 13.06.02
hmm,
im still curious what exactly Xorns head-star is
is it actually, despite physics, a star?
or is it perhaps a gateway to the center of a star, and he can control the ebb and flow of its energy.
See, i dont think, no matter how close to the sun he got, Chris Reeves' spine would get all fixed up.

I really liked this issue, i think Xorn is my new fav xman and i will make a costume and wear it to a fetish ball
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:37 / 13.06.02
RE: the controlling minds/free will thing... I really don't have a problem with the principle of moving someone out of the way of a bullet, or some such... but Jean's been too carefree with that shit recently, and too dismissive of any potentially problematic moral issues arising. Case in point - the wiping of the memories of the press at the conference to 'start over' when it all went tits up. Treated as a comedy moment, when it was a serious dip in the X-men's moral centre, IMFanaticallyFannishO. Reminds me of Julian May's Milieu trilogy, when that sort of casual violation was de rigeur. The difference was that Marc Remillard and family, although New Humans as mutants are in the X-men, are figured as possessing barbarous mentalities counter to eventual cosmic Unity - they act as if they can do whatever they want, because they can do whatever they want.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:59 / 13.06.02
On Jean's Psi-morality:

Since the very begining of the X-men series, it's been demonstraited that even Proff X is willing to wipe or alter memories...

Perhaps there's an underling statment being made about the Mutant Mind/thought process vs. Human thought process...

When telepathy etc... is a fairly common feature to a community certain manors of thought seem to become outmoded or even detrimental to the whole... One would have to be much more honest with themselves not to mention others...

It's being implied that Humanitie's reaction to Mutantkind stems from an evolutionary survivial instinct that is becomming more & more obsolete. The use of telepathy to calm down an angry mob seems to give those involved the opportunity to evolve (even if it's for just a bit).

Perhaps the sanctity of the human mind's indipendance is overrated. A telepath can theoreticly do in a moment what years of psycho-therapy may never achieve... and only via direct experience might a human realise that. So what if the memory of an "incident" is eliminated if a lifetime of childhood joys can be returned to clarity...

well, I would love to see it discussed in the actual comic as well
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:49 / 14.06.02
I think the thing with the press conference was deliberately left without Beast or someone saying "but, wiping their minds is immoral!", after all it's not that long after Germ-Free Generation when Jean somehow accessed the Phoenix force (perhaps) and it left her feeling giddy and euphoric, so perhaps that's one of Grant's simmering away plots.

As for Xavier, when the X-Men started he did use his powers to wipe people's minds without remorse, when Claremont took over he made Xavier aware of the 'mental rape' aspect of it.
 
 
Professor Silly
16:14 / 14.06.02
Is it really all that different from Xavier's actions waaayyy back when he saved Nightcrawler from the angry European mob (he temporarily paralyzed the mob, if memory serves correctly) in Giant-Sized X-Men #1?
 
 
The Natural Way
16:22 / 15.06.02
The Xorn eating thing: see the NXM cover with the potato crisps.

Then ponce about what he's actually doing. Scientifically.
 
 
A
05:21 / 16.06.02
I don't think that Jean actually did wipe the reporters memories in NXM123, based on the woman saying "i am a witless bigot, i see that now", and, later, the other reporter apologising to Hank for calling him a monster. these seem like incidents that would have been part of that 30 seconds. Still, the fact that Jean was prepared to do it certainly says something.

Also, Jean making the angry mob think calm thoughts seemed less a case of mind-control, and more a case of exerting a calming influence over the mob, and in self-defence, too.

I could be wrong, but i think Xavier's mention of "remote-controlling" mutants in danger is the first mention he has made of any form of mind-control (or interference) so far in Grant's run. In NXM119 (i think) Cassandra says something about deleting painful memories, while she is in Xavier's body, but it may not be something Xavier is actually prepared to do.

However, seeing as all of these things have been cropping up, it seems to me that the ethics of interfering with other peoples' minds is quite probably a developing subplot that will be brought to the front at some point.

(I think that any incident of Prof. X interfering with people's minds before Grant's run on NXM probably has little bearing on how this will turn out, although it may well have been what lead Grant to raise the issue in the first place, as it probably isn't something that's actually been examined in X-Men comics before.)

As far as Xorn eating goes, he doesn't seem to have musch in the way of a mouth (or indeed a head), but the rest of his body seems at least relatively normal, and probably has a digestive system and suchlike, so he could well need to eat (although how he actually does this is anyone's guess- passing food whole through a miniature star into the top of your throat is hardly a regular occurance). That star has to be running on something, too, although it's debatable whether potato chips and hamburgers would be adequate fuel for even a very small star.

I feel like quite the nerd, now.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
11:44 / 16.06.02
what about when emma made all the protestors orgasm in their pants?
jean said "emma, now im going to need to erase the last few moments from their memory" or something to that effect.
 
 
uncle retrospective
13:45 / 16.06.02

I can't believe I'm getting into this, but Xorn has a mouth in the NXM special. How he eats before the star does what it did to the kids to his food is another question.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:11 / 16.06.02
Again:

The Xorn eating thing: see the NXM cover with the potato crisps.

Then ponce about what he's actually doing. Sexually.
 
  

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