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What does the impending destruction of our way of life in fire and tumult mean to YOU?

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
08:42 / 29.05.02
The switchboard is the place for serious historio-political analysis and scenario modeling, but here comes the first fluff thread of the Apocalypse...

So, India and Pakistan, one a beleaguered democracy in which Vajpayee is under constant pressure to appease Hindu nationalism, one a troubled military state where Musharaf is at the mercy of the army, stand poised to go toe-to-toe over Kashmir. Both nations have nuclear capacity. The outbreak of all-out war would be the first actual war between nuclear powers in the modern age.

So, basically, we're all fucked. What does the impending end of the world mean to you? Are you being nicer to people? Trying to get in some more one night stands? Visting specialist prostitutes? Grimly carrying on regardless? Having faith in the basic goodness of humanity?
 
 
sleazenation
08:48 / 29.05.02
at the moment i think the consensus is "ignore it and it will go away" .
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:55 / 29.05.02
well as i've said in the other (doomed!!) thread, i feel an incredible sense of anger, a real 'how *dare* you?' kind of outrage. no one should be allowed to do this. i'm also glad that i've done a lot of the things i've wanted to do in my life. it's not enough, and i want to die, very old, knowing the planet is in a good state for those (all life) that comes after me.

so i am having trouble analysing this except to say, as i spent most of the 1980s saying, YOU FUCKERS, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT.... it is not very constructive, i'm afraid. but it's all i have right now.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:58 / 29.05.02
I think I feel exactly the same way.
 
 
w1rebaby
09:39 / 29.05.02
My Anxiety Normalisation Co-Processor has activated and has set my level of worry over this issue to the currently-set default ("Unhealthily High"). This seems appropriate, although the co-processor also makes me worry about everything else at the same level, so unfortunately I'd be equally concerned about running out of cheese. thinks phew, I have some parmesan left

In fact, right now I'm more worried about my bleeding mouth meaning I have oral cancer or something.
 
 
Ariadne
10:11 / 29.05.02
I seem to be set to "this is not happening". Whenever anyone (thanks, Haus) makes me look at it front-on, I wince and then shut my eyes tight. And carry on worrying about daft things like what colour to paint my living room and the fact I've scuffed my new shoes.

la la la la ... don't want to know. It's that or crawl under my bed and whimper.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
10:33 / 29.05.02
perhaps the 'switch off' button is being activated in people because they are unable (except for prayers to Whomever) to do a damn thing about it?
 
 
invisible_al
10:35 / 29.05.02
>Grimly carrying on regardless? Having faith in the basic goodness of >humanity?
The above, hoping that nukes are not used but pretty certain that something is going to kick off. For fucks sake I thought the 80's were over and done, damm billy bragg for getting back into the charts.
Think both countries need a healthy kick up the arse for their own good, preferably from within.
Is there a CND in India and Pakistan?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:52 / 29.05.02
Switching off, except that living my life as I see fit, and controlling and enjoying every aspect that makes sense to do so, has never seemed so appealing.

It's at times like this that it's both wonderful and awful being in love.
 
 
suds
10:57 / 29.05.02
i was in india when this happened in 1998 and i was terrified then. having lived so near to where nuclear blasts were happening, this doesn't seem as scary somehow.
i think something should have been done about the situation years ago and i am not surprised it has escalated into this.
 
 
bitchiekittie
11:03 / 29.05.02
india? pakistan? wazzat?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:06 / 29.05.02
kittie - please GOD tell me you're kidding...
 
 
bitchiekittie
11:11 / 29.05.02
kidding about what?
 
 
bitchiekittie
11:11 / 29.05.02
(yes)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
11:17 / 29.05.02
actually, i have begun recruiting from the folks at the office for my non government run special forces style merc unit.
We are going to handle this whole pakistan/india thing--as well as the israel/palastine issues, and we may haul in bin ladin if we want the publicity

the plan is to fund ourselves by taking out massive student loans...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:19 / 29.05.02
You may want to learn how to spell "Palestine" before you write the business plan...
 
 
Trijhaos
11:57 / 29.05.02
I'm not doing anything.

All I can do is say, "What the fuck is wrong with these people"

They may pull some damned nukes out because of some fucking dirt, and some fucking trees?

Jesus Christ, it's some fucking dirt. Don't fight over the damn shit. Spilt it equally between the both of them. There. problem solved. Fuckers

I can't do anything. I'm going to go about my daily life normally.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:02 / 29.05.02
This article made me feel a little better about global prospects for survival. In case you're wondering, it disproves arguments that the nuclear tete-a-tete occuring on the Indian subcontinent is more unstable than the US-USSR war that failed to produce armageddon in over 50 years.

Hey, that makes a good slogan for the US: "The United States: Failing to Produce Armageddon for Over 50 Years."

That should bring up confidence a little bit.

Closer to home, the prospect of a "dirty bomb" going off in midtown Manhattan has been bandied about so much in the past 9 months that it seems an inevibility rather than the unlikelihood it is. But I remain convinced that if such a thing does happen, I'll not only survive but emerge with superpowers of some sort.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:42 / 29.05.02
he he he
haus, even in the event of world destruction, you will still have time to tell the pilots "you spelled "die pig die" wrong on your bomb there mate"

like the cop in canadian bacon
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:58 / 29.05.02
I'm not too paranoid about it, because I don't think anything is really going to happen.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:26 / 29.05.02
How the hell did we end up like this? I mean, in a scenario where the possibility of nuclear anihillation is a)possible and b)so wore out that it's possible to go all british about it, winking at it, blowing it fucking post-modern kisses... the whole idea is so fucking sickening I can barely stand it.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:31 / 29.05.02
Forget the nukes. Now I'm terrified. What will happen when India unleashes a battalion of troops armed with this:



 
 
Thjatsi
16:51 / 29.05.02
I'm a bit confused. How does a nuke war between India and Pakistan constitute the apocalypse? As far as I can tell, the worst case scenario involves the destruction of both nations, with some environmental damage to adjacent countries. This would be bad, but I don't see how it stands to impact my future in any significant way. Am I missing something here?
 
 
—| x |—
18:55 / 29.05.02
I say let's cleanse the soil in order to build a new world!!!



Hey, like Princess Tiny Meat has put forth:

"If I die, I die."

and what more can be said beyond that?

One thing is for sure though, it doesn't matter if you leave all your collectibles in their packages anymore so bust out all them action figures and have the ultimate cross-over multi-universe battle of the mega-millennium hypersphere! Don't forget to play like you used to when you were a kid. This means break out the hammer, saws, knives and lighters: every good super crossover multi battle for light against dark is going to have its casualties and certainly I can see more than a few original Captain Kirks losing their arms in a battle for going where every stupid human has gone before. I mean, use those boxes for something constructive: build a little city where your super battle can take place, and don't forget the fireworks and gasoline. Film it all with your digital camera, and then post it up to the net!




I mean, wouldn't it really be a blast to enact your own private apocalypse instead of having to deal with the one that somebody you don't even know is thrusting upon you?!? Hey, there's an idea...why do all these drones buy into the importance of somebody else's desire to end the world?!? I mean, god damn, if these people had any sense of self-awareness, then wouldn't they realize that they are simply buying into some other person's insecurities and fears?!?

Ah, it is a sad world when the individual can't even have a say in his or her own end, and must instead cow down to some other individual's vision of how the end ought to be.

So break out your wolverines and your kitty prides and perhaps mail those crazy foreigners bits of their appendages coated in ketchup, or better, perhaps smothered in a nice light wine sauce with some baked beans.

ROCK THE APPOCALYPSE

I'm tired of waiting for the end...

m3
 
 
the Fool
22:38 / 29.05.02
For m3.

I say let's cleanse the soil in order to build a new world!!!

Ahh! the wonderful dark cleansing of nuclear winter. The emptiness that follows, beautiful!

Waste. The waste of all that has happened. Not cleased at all. Just another poisoned womb. Even if we accept multiversal translocation, m3, how many poisoned wombs must we leave behind in our wake. Like a spiritual virus repeating, again and again.

I'm tired of waiting for the end...

You ask us not to buy into the apocalypse fanstasies of other while habouring your own. If I is you is them, aren't I/your/their fantasies one and the same thing. You have bought into the dellusion of fear.

And if your really tired of waiting for the end, you realise of course that it never actually happens. No bright flash to nothing, no comic book dissolution. Just suffering, lots of it, until we come to this point again and decide whether to move forward or just repeat.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:43 / 30.05.02
Personally, I've been walking around with a sly grin saying "and you all laughed at me for saying the apocalypse would occur within our lifetime.". (Joke, btw- actually I'm pooing my pants.)
Now seems a good time to start hoarding rice, beans and ammunition, kids!

Basically, even (as I've already said in another thread, but hey, it's still true) a "limited" nuclear exchange is one nuclear exchange too many. It ups the ante- use of nukes in war has been the "unthinkable horror" since '45- once it becomes acceptable as an instrument of gunship diplomacy, then escalation is inevitable.

I'm reminded of the sample (not sure where it was sourced from) at the beginning of Consolidated's "Tool and Die"- "Obviously none of you can be trusted with guns so we're gonna have to take them away from you."

As a species, I think despite our undoubted potential for wonderfulness, we can't be trusted. With anything. Least of all a whole fucking planet and toys that could easily destroy it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:47 / 30.05.02
Sorry- forgot the whole "fluff" aspect there for a minute- here goes.
I'm using the whole thing as an excuse to drink more. "Hey, my liver ain't gonna go before the world ends... why not just get pissed?"
Course, if the whole thing blows over and I'm in hospital, fucked, in a few years, you'll all be perfectly within your rights to come in and laugh...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
19:37 / 04.06.02
I'd just like it to make it over India on my way home, frankly. Which is looking more and more likely. After that - eh. I'll be in Australia, and have skin cancer already. What the fuck does fallout think it can do to me?
 
 
Grendix
01:14 / 05.06.02
me? I woke up last friday ot the radio blaring too loud, to wake me up, and I think I heard 'India and Pakistan go to nuclear war' and I went WTF?!?... but hoping against hope it wasn't true, promptly went to sleep again for those nine precious minutes of snooze-alarm time.
I am sorta ashamed I did that, but I was asleep (defensive) and was packing to move the following week. I went to work and asked those I saw 'did india and pakistan go to war?' which made all around me alarmed, so I wasn't sure if I'd dreamed it or not.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:25 / 05.06.02
As far as I can tell, the worst case scenario involves the destruction of both nations, with some environmental damage to adjacent countries. This would be bad, but I don't see how it stands to impact my future in any significant way. Am I missing something here?

The fact that the destruction of nations comprising over a billion people and a long border with China might be internationally de...

Oh, never mind. I'm going to have tea with my friend Jack Shit. I don't think you've met him.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:58 / 05.06.02
I think the point that Thiazi was making was not that the destruction of India and Pakistan is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but that a huge enormous humanitarian disaster isn't quite the same yer acshul full-on Apocalypse. I am quite sure that ze is aquainted with the esteemed Mr. J. Shit, esq., not to mention his big brothers.

I would point out, however, that a nuclear war is unlikely to stay in one place for long.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:14 / 05.06.02
"a nuclear war is unlikely to stay in one place for long"

same goes for a fallout cloud.

besides, the thought of up to 12 million people dead seems pretty apocalyptic to me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:20 / 05.06.02
As I believe I have mentioned before in my role as Barbelith's voice of reason, thank *fuck* they aren't white.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:28 / 05.06.02
well i was going to say that, but there are some here who would not see the point i was making. cos *i* don't give a fuck about darkies anyway. apparently.
 
 
sleazenation
09:01 / 05.06.02
Some people, it would seem will not engage with the problems and results of international politic until it gets into a plane and flies into one of their tall buildings...
 
  

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