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Magickal Help/Advice Needed

17:03 / 27.05.02

a friend rang me tonight rather distressed. she has started dating a woman ('d') who appears to be part of a 'cult' of some kind and wants to get her away from it. d is an ex drug addict and lives in a house with other vulnerable young people (it's not an official home/institution). it is run/headed by an older man who they all very much look up to. he describes himself as a father figure/mentor type but appears to be sleeping with nearly all of the people in the house, which is an abuse of trust at least, as far as i can see. he controls all their money - basically they go out and work and give him their earnings while he sits at home composing music - and they have to be at the house every evening to discuss their day - meaning everything. there is no privacy. my friend went there last night and was horrified. she said he was quite mesmerising - almost hypnotic - when he looked at her and he knew things about her that she'd related in confidence to d. he claims to talk to two angels who give him guidance, therefore nothing he says should be questioned.

i refused to do what my friend wanted - put a curse on the man! what i will do tonight is a sigil for d, to protect her from harm. legally, there's nothing my friend can do - the man was sleeping with some of the women while they were under 16, but that was years ago and none of them want to bring charges against him - but she's worried about d. it seems to me that whether or not he talks to angels, he's an abusive, controlling person who's on to a winner and the best thing my friend can do (apart from walk away, which was top of my list, i'm afraid) is show d other experiences, meet other strong people, so she might question his influence.

if anyone can give me any advice to pass to her, i would be very grateful. i've only ever done one sigil before, but i can't think of anything else to help her.

17:41 / 27.05.02

In this situation it would be best not to engage this man directly, especially from such an indirect position that you are in. I would suggest two approaches to run parallel.
1. woman 'd' should be blessed/cleansed, either directly or indirectly, to remmove any hooks that the man may have cultivated in her. Some simple charms or offerings will assist in cleansing her of any crutches that she has transfered across to him. From what you say about her past, it is clear that she has had encounters with personal demons and her path of healing may not be completely finished, if she has become involved in this situation. Concentrate on her health and healing, this will fortify her from future manipulation and assist her in becoming more aware of her situation and lead her to instigate change.
2. I would suggest that your friend is the one to arm, or charge with energy, they will be the one to bare any brunt of attack from the man. Your friend is the threat to his way of life, he will see this if they become the catalyst of change within one of his flock. Your friend needs to become fluent in manipulation techniques, so as to avoid his, I suggest a brush up on NLP will help. If your friend is driven to attend their partner and facilitate growth, they will have to be a warrior and show great skill and stamina. I suggest the summoning of powerful archetypes within the realm of mind as well as body/combat. I'm always cautious personally to what action people take when one starts to effect their lair, but I feel that it will be far more psychological, including some confrontation in dreams.

I hope this helps, as always its off the cuff, so let me know if you need any clarification or suggestion.

04:40 / 28.05.02

You can make an Uncrossing Ritual to her. It'll clear her mind, and probably make her see the dead-end situation she's in.

I've been doing one, in myself, for two months... my mind was cleared from an entropic situation and is, slowly, coming to act and fight the depression I had. More information here and here .

But, see, she'll pass a time of GREAT depression and anxiety. It's because an old, stagnant situation, will be eliminated from her mind/spirit, and it'll take some time for a new one come to her. I know because I've passed for this... it's tough.

You can use a little santeria for her, too: light a white candle for her Holy Guardian Angel everyday. Concentrate your desire for a better situation for her in the candle, and pray a Our Father and Ave Maria for her HGA. After the prayers, put the candle in a place above your head. The first candle will fire fast, but, as more and more times will pray for her goodness, the candle will fire slowly. It's a signal that her HGA is near her, and will protect her. Or so the santeria here in Brazil say...

There's a last and extreme measure you can take, it's a powerful ritual, and it's consequences... well, let's say it's better you begin with the HGA and the Uncrossing Ritual. If the ritual and the HGA didn't work, I can teach you this... but, like I've seen happening, you should use this last only if there's no other way. Ah, and if you can find the complete birth name of this "older man"...

Good luck to you and your friend, mate. This kind of sects are the worst type of slavery - mind/spirit slave.

07:23 / 28.05.02

thank you so much. i admit to being rather out of my depth on this, bearing in mind i am new to doing rituals. i did tell my friend she would need to protect herself - to stay physically away from the woman's house, but she will need psychic protection too.

my friend is, like me, exploring the fringes of magick, but she is a psychologist and is on the ball as to how people can manipulate and headfuck others. and she's clever - she saw through him immediately and was very aware of how he twisted everything she said to suit his needs. my immediate concern is that she should be able to help this woman and not get dragged in - or i'll have to go in, guns blazing (psychic and otherwise if necessary) to get her out. i will discuss this with her further.

thanks again.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

08:20 / 28.05.02

sfd: I hope things work out for yr friend.

Playing hostage rescue in these circs is rarely, if ever, a good idea. You risk all kinds of magickal and temporal nasties and you're no good to your friend if you're incapacitated- or worse. Is there any temporal recourse open to you? If things are as grim as they sound, this might even be a matter for the old bill.

08:38 / 28.05.02

Pretty much what I was thinking...

08:40 / 28.05.02

as far as my friend can ascertain, no laws are now being broken. i told my friend the exact same thing about rescue - d will have to want to go. people *have* left the house before. i would be fairly useless in a physical rescue situation myself - no need for the forces of darkness to beat me, just knock off my glasses and i'm like velma in scooby doo. d has gender issues and the man is repressing them - to put it crudely, he won't want to fuck her if she becomes he - so my friend will take her to the trans group she goes to. weaning her off this man would seem to be a good way forward - but i want both my friend and d protected while this is done.

12:58 / 28.05.02

It is my impression that best results in situations like this (enslaving hystero-charismatic mentor with angels on his side) are obtained when magick is operated from a separate party to those interested in obtaining the results. I think that yes, everyone involved should get serious protection, as it is likely that they are already spotted as potential threats, but I do not advocate for them doing the main working, be it magickally or not, to get "d" or anybody out of there. Needless to say, a honest and direct confrontation either with "d" or this "pope" would be as sterile and harming as confronting any politician or president of just any country. It is easier and definitely more efficient if it is operated from a group that is experienced and emotionally un-involved and do it out of the sheer pleasure of doing a magickal work, not just for the money (and if money is involved I would suggest lowering expectancies), and bear in mind that most sorcerors may come up with very honest and strange ways of payment.

14:45 / 28.05.02

This guy is neither a wizard nor a vampire (at least not in the blood-sucking sense). He's a garden variety con man. The best thing to do is to call ze police.

Your friend the psychologist should contact them and explain the situation in the least emotional terms possible. Something along the lines of: "look, I respect religious freedom, and my friend is an adult and all, but there's something not quite right going on at that house. I'd very much appreciate it if you would have someone drop by there, look around, and make sure my friend is perfectly safe. That's my only real concern."

You should have her do this as soon as possible. You want to make sure the police are aware of this character in advance of any real problems that might potentially arise. You may also want to contact an investigative reporter at the local paper, and/or a cult recovery group. The major cure for this kind of problem is fresh air. If he gives them any problems, go the legal route. It'll really crimp Mr. Divine's style.

17:06 / 28.05.02

I'm with Logos on this one – this guy's a con artist with a good schtick and a lot of suckers to feed off of. Unfortunately assholes like this are all too common in Magickal circles, as well as the gullible fools they prey upon.

I've had quite a bit of personal experience in dealing both with manipulative bastards and close friends in the thrall of said manipulative bastards; it's going to end in tears for your friend, SFD. Obviously we don't know what she's getting out of her relationship with d that would make her want to get involved in such a mess – but she's in it, she seems determined to do something about it (whether d wants anything done about it or not) and she's going to get burned.

You just need to be there as a friend when it's over.

18:27 / 31.05.02

thank you all so much. i appreciate it, and so does my friend.

on wednesday i told her it might well all end in tears, but that i had done a sigil to protect d from harm. i just talked to my friend v briefly and was fairly gobsmacked to hear that d is moving out of the house! not only that but is now being referred to as 'he' - so is exploring hir gender stuff. good news indeed.

18:31 / 31.05.02

Wow! That is seriously cool!

Less searchable M0rd4nt

23:05 / 31.05.02

Good to hear.

04:52 / 02.06.02

Good news at last!

Cheers, man...

Player

16:05 / 03.06.02

I’m glad to hear your friend is OK, but I would still urge you to notify the police and media about this creepy little group. Consider that this man’s future victims might not have the support network your friend does, and do it for the good karma.