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Dark Knight Returns #3??

 
 
Planet B
17:19 / 23.05.02
What the hell ever happened to this thing? I'm very peripherally a comic-book reader anymore, but anything by Morrison, Howard Chaykin or Frank Miller, I pick up. Got the first two issues of DK2 and heard the third would be delayed, but hell it's been five months and I can't find anything about it on DC's website? Anyone know what's up?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:41 / 23.05.02
It'll be done when it's done.

This is not hard to understand: except that you have been conditioned by the marketing arm of the comics industry to believe that you have the right to expect product on a monthly basis.

But Art and Industry make an uneasy marriage. Right now, Art says she has a headache, so Industry isn't gettin' any.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:13 / 23.05.02
It would be great if part 3 had fuck all to do with parts one and two and was actually good.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
21:43 / 23.05.02
Jack, that would be great if DC hadn't told retailers they would have it in January.

What the flaming blue hootie is wrong with companies when they pull this crap? Don't set an order time for a book until you have the art. Why is that so hard?
 
 
mate
23:47 / 23.05.02
So much for Frank Miller never allowing a books release date to be announced until it was finished...I wonder whether DC are giving him hassle over something or other?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:25 / 24.05.02
hassle? wot, like, 'frankie bhoy, take off yer fuckin boxin gloves before you draw the next installment!'
 
 
Jack Fear
11:51 / 24.05.02
Mate: Miller is reworking large portions of the art. His idea, not DC's. To do with 9/11 and how the world is a different place now et cetera, I believe. I wouldn't know, I haven't been reading the thing.
 
 
mate
12:03 / 24.05.02
My guess: He started spending his money before he finished his third issue.

And now the pages are covered in vomit...
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:04 / 24.05.02
I thought it was issue 2 that was allegedly ‘dangerously close to events of Sept 11’ ? Might have been the case if it’d been possible to see what the jiggins was going on…

And looky, it looks as if it’s putting people off buying comics. Good job Carolco didn’t start issuing teaser trailers for the Spider-man film back in about 1991, I guess.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:57 / 24.05.02
The really shit thing about the general lateness of the new wave of "pop" comics produced by Marvel & DC must be it's impact on the heads of potential new comixfans. In every other sphere, the general public can expect their product to be released on time - or thereabouts - not so w/ comics. And that can't help the industry asttract new readers. DK2 is the best example of thios all round shitness in the world....EVER!
 
 
deja_vroom
14:52 / 24.05.02
mate - They were covered in vomit from the beginning. I know this will never happen, but boy how I wish this thing got cancelled... It's so bad i's actually insulting...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:05 / 24.05.02
In every other sphere, the general public can expect their product to be released on time - or thereabouts - not so w/ comics.

Hmmm. Comics, though, are peculiar in that they're serialised. The only other products that comparisons can be drawn with are magazines and, possibly, episodes of TV series. Films, books, videogames, etc, are 'one-offs' with no regular scheduling of separate parts of a whole. Not sure how it goes in the book world, but I can think of a number of films that have had their release delayed without any serious effect on their takings (and far more videogames that have done the same).

Again, you've got to wonder if it's time comics gave up on the serial and went instead for irregularly released, larger volumes. Alternatively, comics fans could just stop fucking whinging.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:35 / 24.05.02
E Randy D, I think you’re right, but in the specific case of miniseries like Dark Knight 2, it does seem poor that it’s so late when it’s meant to be a self-contained thing; more like a TV miniseries. Especially when Miller has done original graphic novels (Sin City Family Values, for example) before.

I think that we probably could move away from the serial format depending on the nature of the publication and the creators involved; for something like Batman or Superman or whatever, someone like Chuck Dixon or John Romita Jr can handle a monthly schedule, so that’s fine. Someone like J Scott Campbell clearly can’t, so we should restrict him to covers and maybe one-offs.

And yes, there is a lot of fanboy bleating, but when you get down to it, that’s because they feel that they’re being let down by broken promises. If you can’t deliver, don’t solicit (excepting death/injury/illness, etc). Or if you do, and then you don’t deliver, expect bleating.

After all, when it comes to the whole industry vs art angle, the medium does have some very productive folks. I’d be amazed if anyone claimed that the work of Kirby and Eisner was obviously a sloppy rush job, and didn’t add anything to the medium…
 
 
Planet B
17:30 / 24.05.02
I don't care how long it takes. I'm not real concerned about that so much as the lack of information from the publisher, like they're trying to hide whatever's going on.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:46 / 24.05.02
Latest I heard was a Diamond Dateline which stated that the art isn't turned in yet, but they're not resoliciting. I think they're worried that orders would decrease in such an event.

Zoom.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:47 / 24.05.02
As late as mainstream comics sometimes are, the independent stuff is sometimes as bad if not worse. Take a look at the release dates for, say, Fantagraphics in any given month's Previews. Then take a look at when they really come out. Yet there's not as much hullaballoo about it. Maybe because the Big Four are seen more as business-minded enterprises that should be able to run a tight ship. The problem (as it were) in both cases, though, is that you're dealing w/artists who aren't nearly so business-minded, for the most part. The expectations are just a little lower for the independents, I think.
Deric Holloway
 
  
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