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Getting out of the box: mess with your mind...

 
  

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We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:32 / 23.05.02
Anyone got any new sources?

I mean, there's the Robert Anton Wilson stuff, which is brilliant but old. There's Barefoot Doctor - who was great but the book on sex was, um, bitter. Or maybe it just seemed that way.

There's your Castanedas and your what all else, but it's starting to get a bit samey. So...what stretched your frontal lobes recently?
 
 
Margin Walker
09:44 / 23.05.02
Knitting needles.

but I feel much better now....


(sorry for the rot.)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
11:35 / 23.05.02
i re read the enders game series, including the newer ones, and they had a few choice moments, nothing overtly mind bending though

david blaines tv special made my head hurt, but thats not what you meant...

really i have not discovered anything new, read a bunch of zenith parts in some 2000ads that i got in the mail, but thats really the only new thing ive read in a while...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:02 / 23.05.02
Jesus. Are we seriously saying that Barbelith is unable to come up with headfuckery?

This is terrifying!

Let the mission commence: GO OOOOUT, my children, into the world, and seek that which is odd, funny (funny odd, not funny haha, although funny haha is allowed as well), funny (funny haha, not funny odd - see above), unusual, mindbending, illuminating, unlocking, aberrant, world-changing, significant, strange, disturbing, unsettling, jolting, anti-smug.

Bring it back here that I may feed.

Or we shall have to make stuff up and set it loose in the world.

Which, actually, is not a bad idea...
 
 
Grey Area
12:12 / 23.05.02
I've just finished re-reading Lothar Guenter-Buchheim's "Das Boot", and have to say that it brings up a lot of questions regarding authority and obedience but especially the ways we co-habitate in close proximity environments (submarines, university halls of residence, campervans, etc.).

Would people agree with me when I say that upon being thrust into a co-habitation situation a person will inevitably exaggerate a certain part of their personality in order to stand out from everyone else they're now sharing the roof over their head with? Example: In the course of my universty career, I have encountered an obsessive weight lifter, a compulsive furniture re-arranger and a girl who would play Lisa Stanfield's "Been Around The World" upon waking, before leaving the abode, when returning to the abode and before going to sleep.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:16 / 23.05.02
Oblique Strategies.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:24 / 23.05.02
Accretion

I may adopt that as my motto.

Along with 'Dismiss Utopia, Coopt Distopia' and 'Ninjas Yoi!' of course.

And 'I'm afflicted with a goddam profound ennui.'

And...

Das Boot's great. And the movie rocks.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
12:27 / 23.05.02
Silent Hill 2. About six months ago.

I'm, um... am looking 'forward', uh, if you can call it that... to Silent Hill 3

"In Silent Hill 3, the new lead character is a young woman with short blond hair that appears confused and lost (surprise, she's in Silent Hill!), and she finds that a horde of unspeakably frightening creatures are rising up to take over the "paradise." The storyline was very vague, and basically the movie only showed off a select few scenes of machine gun combat, a strange female woman who spouted Biblical phrases, and some dark, dark images of doll-like creatures squirming around in disturbing, disturbing ways."

I have no idea why I want to do this to myself again.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:08 / 23.05.02
The Barefoot Doctor streched your frontal lobes? How, exactly - by telling you that a good hangover cure was to stand on your head and percuss your kidneys gently with your knuckles, muttering "I am not hungover, I am not hungover, I am a credulous hippy"?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:37 / 23.05.02
I think you're refering to a Chi Gong exercise, the name of which escapes me. It's not bad, actually, but I'd never use it for a hangover. To recover after a hangover, yes.

No, I was thinking of the basic breathing exercises, the self-programming, and the slightly goofy approach to life. I never said it was profound. It could rattle your cage, though. Some people are not susceptible to full on ontological assaults. They just switch off.

So, did you just pop in to rubbish me, or were you going to add something to the discussion?
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:32 / 23.05.02
Right.

Mulholland Drive. I know it's been out for a bit, but I've only just seen it.

Mike Mignola's "Amazing Screw-On Head" is Gorey meets Hellboy. Very odd.

Currently re-reading the Hitchhiker's Guide series, which is always good for a bit of a brain stretch.

Any book by Robert J. Sawyer is always good for a mental workout. It's sci-fi, and I recommend "Calculating God" or "Factoring Humanity". Or "Frameshift". Or any damn thing he's written. Robert Charles Wilson's "Darwinia" is another sci-fi head twister.

Spiritually, I suggest Tai Chi. I have got to get back into it soon. Sorts out the body and soul.

My 2 cents.

Zoom.
 
 
Fist Fun
17:32 / 23.05.02
New Scientist
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:33 / 23.05.02
Oh, and video game-wise, I'm still addicted to American McGee's Alice, The New Adventures of the Time Machine and Necronomicon.

Zoom.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:35 / 23.05.02
What Buk said. New Scientist has more headfuck for your buck than anything else I've ever read.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:15 / 23.05.02
I'm currently in the process of finally reading R.A. "Brilliant But Old" Wilson's Prometheus Rising. Very intriguing stuff. It seems to be coming to me at a point when I really need to read it. I've also been reading some various NLP stuff lately (just the self-help books, though, since I can't find the strictly NLP for NLP's sake books anywhere) and they've helped me make a very vital connection in my brain that has been helping me in very small but very crucial ways in my everyday life.
Deric Holloway
 
 
the Fool
21:49 / 23.05.02
Spiritually, I suggest Tai Chi. I have got to get back into it soon. Sorts out the body and soul.

If you can find it, Baugua rocks too. Higher intensity exploration.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:55 / 23.05.02
Now come on Nick, I wasn't rubbishing you, I was rubbishing the man who actually likes people to call him 'Barefoot'. If I'd been gunning for you (and I haven't for a while, c'mon, we cool?), I'd have added "and RAW is shit as well!" But I didn't, mainly because I haven't quite read enough to justify that...

I don't know, I guess I've become a bit dubious about the whole 'headfuck'/'messing with your mind!' schtick over the past year and a bit. Too often it's just a way of 'wacky' nonsense sound interesting and profound. Think 'Chaos Media Collective'. But I guess there are loads of people who've stretched and challenged my ways of thinking in the past months - from Noam Chomsky to Peaches to Sadie Plant to the people at MakeZine - so I apologise for being so snarky.
 
 
gozer the destructor
08:33 / 24.05.02
I been watching some of Alejandro Jodorowsky's stuff which is always good for a mind fuck, started reading house of leaves which also is funny (odd)...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:43 / 24.05.02
Flyboy - it's tiring, and in many cases it is tired, at least the obvious stuff. Hence the thread. New Scientist is a good answer, for example, although recently I've been drawn to Scientific American, which tends to be a little less, er...flighty.

But we're none of us finished projects, which means we change, and I'm up for any information about how interesting people are changing themselves and being changed. I suppose I could have asked in a rather less dippy way, but I wanted responses, not a debate about what constitutes change...

There was also a recent thread on this topic which died immediately, and I wanted to resurrect it on behalf of the original poster.
 
 
Fist Fun
08:53 / 24.05.02
That wasn't a link to a New Scientist magazine it was a link to a guy who claims to be creating a new type of science.
 
 
w1rebaby
09:00 / 24.05.02
While it's not necessarily headfucking, I've taken to reading publications the political slant of which I know I will violently disagree with. The Spectator (though I've stopped reading that, because not only do I disagree with it, it's also expensive and shit). The Economist. That sort of thing.

Not sure quite what this says - I'm a bit tired of some of the "radical" political backslapping ghettoes that people seem quite happy to fall into. I don't plan on turning into Peter Hitchens.
 
 
w1rebaby
09:08 / 24.05.02
Looking back that sounds like a very strange thing to say. I'm expanding my horizons by reading the Economist.

Basically I think I just enjoy shouting at magazines on the train.
 
 
Lurid Archive
09:15 / 24.05.02
Actually, that wasn't actually a link to a New Scientist magazine it was a link to a guy who claims to be creating a new type of science. - Buk

Though it is interesting to note that New Scientist magazine had a feature on this guy a few months ago.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
04:13 / 25.05.02
Testimonials from residents of Silent Hill

"Silent Hill 2 is the definitive horror experience of all time. No book, movie, game or other peice of media comes close to this masterpiece in terms of visceral fear. (With the possible exception of the first Silent Hill) It succeeds in inducing a sense of claustraphobia and dread that is simply unparalleled in entertainment. It leaves one with a profound feeling of terror that will remain long after your PS2 is powered off. Anyone who wishes to be frightened into a state of paralysis need look no further than this."

"Anyway, the game is in a word... disturbing. It's actually hard for me to play it for too long. I actually start hoping for death (or for my character's death) so I don't have to open anymore doors and face unknown evil. I get weirded out and then I have to play Madden 2k2 again to bring me back so I can continue on."

"This is the creepiest game I have ever played. I only play in short sessions because it's simply too intense. After an hour I just don't want to go any further because I don't want to see what horrors are in store for me round the next corner..."

"From the beginning, the game is unsettling, and it is relentless in its tension. As the game goes on, I found that it was becoming psychologically and even physically taxing to continue. Every encounter with a monster left me tired. It's not that fighting the monsters were difficult in gameplay terms, but their movements and sounds created a nearly paralyzing desperation. All of the twisted imagery, jarring sounds, and unending anxiety really wore me down. But it's just a game, right? Sure, but the guys at Konami tapped into virtually every conceivable factor that makes one afraid, and they mercilessly hammer at you. The visceral impact of this game is nearly incomparable."

"Every time I see the monsters in this game I freak out. Even writing about them is scary. The way they move, and the way they look. It's literally impossible to describe them to you."

"By the 6th hour of playing, you'll seriously want to somehow turn the gun he is holding on your character just so They can't have the satisfaction of driving him insane anymore and so he can escape this Hell."

"The way distant objects emerge from the fog as you walk is astonishing. I have been inside old, tattered, and damp abandoned buildings in real life before, and the ones in this game is right on cue. The way your flashlight rips through the black air and illuminates the horrible and all too realistic world of Silent Hill, will transport you right there to walk the streets, tread the hallways, and fear the shadows."

"I swear... I haven't been afraid of the dark since I was 5 years old, but playing this game at night with all the lights in the house turned off and the sound turned all the way up is a truly frightening experience. Plus, the characters you encounter are all so...sick..that, after my nightly gaming sessions, when I would stand in front of the mirror brushing my teeth before going to bed, I often looked at my reflection and doubted my own sanity."

"This game will make you sit, staring at your TV trying to figure out who in the Konami development team hates you so much and why they put such horrible, horrible things in a video game to drive you to insanity."

Won't you come and visit sometime?
 
 
ill tonic
05:53 / 25.05.02
Time Cube?????????
 
 
Mystery Gypt
08:00 / 25.05.02
while all of the suggestions and examples are things that are quite interesting, good for your brain, etc, i'm wondering if there's a qualitative difference between these things and nick's implication. that is, i think there's a huge difference between reading Wilson for the very first time and reading the Economist cuz it's a different way of looking at the world than you're used to. none of the examples tossed around here seem to come anywhere near the mind bending urgency of the things that once may of piqued all our interests into a "barbelith" frame of mind.

and so that may be a problem... is there nothing new happening to shake up beliefs? i agree that for example silent hill 2 is a very advanced videogame way beyond most of what's come before it, but does it change the way you live your life, or give you information that you hadn't thought existed before?

despite nick's first post, some of the replies suggest NLP and Wilson. again, i agree these things are amazing... and they're also 20 years old. if we can't figure out where the new, truly head spinning stuff it, maybe we should all just quit. i feel a little depressed in realizing that maybe we've used it all up, burnt it all down... or perhaps someone wants to make the argument that as we mature, we have less need for "messing with our minds" and should just play convoluted videogames instead, or do tie-chi in the park, (which also while i agree can be revolutionarily great for your mind/body is not new.... it's the opposite). this would also make me sad. i very much want to see a great thinker in action who i previously didn't know about, who says thinks that make me reevaluate the world. chomsky it ain't, cuz i've been reading him for well over a decade.

don't mean to be putting people down, but i do want to suggest... let's dig a little deaper and see if there's something out there on a qualitative level beyond just "it's interesting."
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
14:27 / 25.05.02
The only thing I can suggest, Mystery Gypt, is that you maybe don't get so hung up on looking for the new and try exploring the old a bit to find your revolutionary thinkers. They're out there somewhere, I assure you.

I really don't see what the big idea is about the new, though. There is so much out there in the world that remains un- or underexplored, especially by individual people. Today's revolutionary idea is yesterday's yawn inducer for those who were there when it happened. But I assure you that you can't have been there for the beginning of every great idea. And I personally think that that's an exciting thing.

I'm really not worried about looking for new revolutions, because they usually just wind up being mish-mashes of the old in a fancy new package. And if the new is important to you...why don't you become that revolutionary new thinker that influences generations to come? It is within your reach, my friend.
Deric Holloway
 
 
Molly Shortcake
14:33 / 25.05.02
We should all play convoluted video games

Uh, Hello? The man asked for a headfuck. I gave him one.

Silent Hill 2 is unique in that you feel as if the events in the game are happening to you personally. It fucks up your nervious system, makes you physically sick and blurs the line betweeen the material world and the one in your head. Sound familiar?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:05 / 25.05.02
While none of these are headfuck, and therefore probably don't match up with what you're after, they're some of the funkier bits and bobs I've enjoyed recently.

Squarepusher
American Indian Myths and Legends
Jan Bondeson's studies of 17th, 18th & 19th century forteana
Boredoms
Banvard's Folly
The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate"
Clicks & Cuts
Memoirs of My Nervous Illness
Blue Tide
A Natural History Of The Unnatural World
The Commissar Vanishes
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:14 / 25.05.02
Oh yeah. The Fu Manchu stories are possibly the very antithesis of headfuck, but in a strange, mini-headfucky way.

And I can't recommend The Manuscript Found In Saragossa highly enough. It's an astonishing novel with a fantastic twisty-turny narrative which always remains utterly beguiling despite it's relative structural complexity.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:30 / 25.05.02
christ, i'm just trying to interpret my understanding of the original poster, who asked for new sources in line with a contemporary tradition of extra-dimensional philosophy. yes, arthur, i'm always exploring books and thinkers that have been around and which i missed... that just doesn't seem to be exactly what nick was looking for, and i think the specificity of the question is interesting without having to argue over its relevence.

rugal -- i ceded the point that silent hill is amazing. i also think videogames could be doing much more than that. i've personally been working for years to try to develop videogames that will use that sort of emotional, immersive technology and do for that genre what wilson does for dimestore novels. (too bad sony had to fire everyone last season.)

and i don't understand why people keep responding with, "this isn't really headfucking, but..." it's interesting to see the rabid list-making desire that infects threads given half a chance. hmm.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:46 / 25.05.02
Okay, everything I've listed (descriptions left to be found through the links in order to keep the thread lively) fits in with the

odd, funny (funny odd, not funny haha, although funny haha is allowed as well), funny (funny haha, not funny odd - see above), unusual, mindbending, illuminating, unlocking, aberrant, world-changing, significant, strange, disturbing, unsettling, jolting, anti-smug

request, so I take back my previous hesitation over the post and, instead, insist that Nick tracks it all down.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
19:58 / 25.05.02
While probably not on the scale of Wilson et al, and I'm nots sure how new it is exactly, Integrative Dream Narration is probably the most recent thing to make my brain throb with possibilities. And a bit of Stan Grof never goes astray. And although I seem to be plugging this fucker on Barbelith waaay too much, Win Wenger has done some interesting things to my head.
I guess this could be tied in with Mordant's thread on originality: how original are any of these ideas? Wilson's work, for example is basically just a cludging together of (amongst other things I can't be arsed listing) Korzybski and conspiracy theory and Leary's 8 circuit model, which was in itself a cludging of Freud, Jung, Berne, Gurdgieff, etc, etc, etc... Is there even such a thing as 'originality'? Or can any idea be traced back to some kind of precedent? Would chaos magic (for example) have counted as orginal (when it started in the 60s-80s, depending on your historical perspective) due to the influence of Austin Osman Spare?
 
 
Traz
21:28 / 25.05.02
By the Hosts of Hoggoth! Politics is strange. So is art, music, cinema, fiction, H.P. Lovecraft's tombstone, the architecture of Barcelona, physics, driving, cutlery (scroll past the painting made with REAL Elvis hair and the Half Fish Half Human), food and Liberace. Oh, and comics, too.
 
 
Traz
21:32 / 25.05.02
Hope the links work this time...

By the Hosts of Hoggoth! Politics is strange. So is art, music, cinema, fiction, H.P. Lovecraft's tombstone, the architecture of Barcelona, physics, driving, cutlery (scroll past the painting made with REAL Elvis hair and the Half Fish Half Human), food and Liberace. Oh, and comics, too.
 
  

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