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Damn those protesters!

 
 
Rev. Wright
19:15 / 22.05.02


Punishment beating?

As the argument continues, the policeman advances and lashes out with his fist, punching the child in the face.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:07 / 22.05.02
Will: That's absolutely abominable. What it the story behind the picture?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:09 / 22.05.02
Oh, I see- the text is missing due to a HTML glitch. Sorry.
 
 
MJ-12
20:13 / 22.05.02
article here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2002000/2002249.stm
 
 
Rage
21:33 / 22.05.02
This is disgusting.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:51 / 23.05.02
And how much of this cracking down is to keep Bush from having to put up with protesters when he visits?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:02 / 23.05.02
Guess what. It's even more horrible when you see it on telly. The copper's claiming it was an accident. Funny-looking accident if you ask me.
 
 
MJ-12
15:48 / 23.05.02
Yeah, I'm sure just meant to punch the mother...
rr maybe he was cleaning his hand and it went off.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:56 / 24.05.02
Apparently the mother hit the policeman with her handbag before the assault.

%So that's all right then.%
 
 
Ierne
16:38 / 24.05.02
While I agree that the policeman's actions were reprehensible, I question why the mother felt the need to put her child at risk by attacking the policeman.

This also brings up an interesting (I hope?) group of questions: What role, if any, do children play in public protests? Is their presence a help or a liability, especially if there's a potential for violence? How will any violent experiences that children encounter at protests shape how they express dissent at a later age?
 
 
Grey Area
17:54 / 24.05.02
Parents have no right to being their children along to protests. It's a cynical thing to do, especially when you consider that the parent/child combos can end up in the forefront of the crowd because it makes good pictures and so the most vulnerable individuals in the crowd (both physically and mentally) are the most exposed. I realise that this isn't always the case, but it is an option for the more ruthless and publicity hungry organisers.

I'd say it will definately colour some of the children's attitudes. To use local examples, the children that were brought to the protests around Holy Cross Girls Primary will without a doubt be affected by what they've been exposed to, as will those children who are brought along to march in the Orange Order's parades, complete with miniature sashes and instruments in some cases. In a sense the future core of the next generation's harcore nationalist/republican communities is being forged in these protests.

Yes, I know I'm being generalist in the previous paragraph. The children will naturally experience shifts in their opinions and attitudes as they grow up, but having been a part of these protests will inevitably leave its mark. How is a ten year-old child meant to view the police force when it has been confronted by brigades of officers in riot gear, backed up by the military, on a yearly basis? And can you really tell me that a six year-old girl will ever forget being heckled by an angry mob in front of her school?

I've got friends who are hard-core unionists as well as friends who are hard-core republicans. When asked about how they formed their attitudes both camps include experiences they had while growing up as a key factor, attending rallies and protests being amongst the most significant of these. These 18 to 24 year-olds are sure to affect the political climate in the province for at least three more decades if not more, be it simply through the voting process.

Anyway, I'm ranting. Sorry. But the point had to be made.
 
 
alas
06:39 / 25.05.02
"I've got friends who are hard-core unionists as well as friends who are hard-core
republicans. When asked about how they formed their attitudes both camps include
experiences they had while growing up as a key factor, attending rallies and protests
being amongst the most significant of these."


I think children need to grow up politically aware and active, and they need to see their parents ACTING on their beliefs. So I don't see bringing children to protests as a bad thing. Besides which, if, say, you are a minimum-wage earning parent, seeking better wages, you may not have a lot of choice in the matter. Obviously, if the protest is akin to Tienamen (sp??) Square, it's probably unwise to bring a young child. But at what age is it "ok": 12? 16? 18? And the average rally does not have to be "violent." Often, the beligerent behavior of police are at least as responsible for "unprovoked" attacks like the purse whacking this cop received. How do we know he didn't say something crude or rude or vaguely threatening to the woman before she swung at him?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:29 / 25.05.02
I guess it's a judgment call on the whole "kids at demos" thing- the day after Mayday, a friend of mine was lamenting the fact that he hadn't taken his baby with him (or, indeed, gone himself, as he was looking after her while his wife was at work) because it had been such a nice day and more fun than anything else. And I know the kid would have enjoyed herself. But that was with hindsight. Had it turned into a brick'n'truncheonfest, that would've been the last place he would have wanted to take her to. (I was the same, to a lesser extent, about taking my dog- I've taken her to cannabis demos, because you can pretty much guarantee they'll be chilled and more like a festival than a fight. She would also have loved this year's Mayday... but I wasn't gonna risk it.)
I guess there are degrees of these things- if you're at a demo with a kid, it's probably best not to be right next to the guys with the sticks.
But all we have to go on is the footage and a handful of newspaper reports- I'm not sure if that's enough evidence to decide whether someone was acting responsibly or not.
 
 
Grey Area
13:16 / 25.05.02
I support the view that children should be raised politically aware and active, but one should not forget that up until the age of 18 (in most countries) the parents are responsible for the child's welfare.
One should not educate children about politics by putting them in a situation where they experience the violent behaviour of one's opponents first-hand. While Alas' point that the average protest won't turn violent is taken, I believe that one can make a well-informed judgement about how things are going to turn out at a protest. An Orange Order parade down the Ormeau Road or through Portadown or Saintfield will probably have a good chance of seeing the kind of behaviour that children should not be exposed to. A fight-the-fees march probably won't.

The key word there is "probably". In hindsight things may turn out differently than expected, but certain types of protest march are more likely to create flammable situations that would result in violence than others. But there are always exceptions to the rule. Hence the Chairman's friend's regret at not having taken his child to Mayday.

There are other ways to educate children politically than to bring them to protests that may escalate into violence, such as through discussion at home. Yes, it is difficult to say from which age it would be "safe" to bring a child along, and this would maybe depend on, amongst other things, the child's level of maturity. I am not a parent, and so cannot make a judgement on this issue with any degree of confidence.

In the end, the point I am trying to make could be summarised as don't bring your child along, even in the name of political education, if there is even the smallest chance that the event will become violent.
 
  
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