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Kate Bush

 
 
Jack Fear
12:33 / 21.05.02
Inspired by Ganesh's namecheck in another thread.

The hugely-disappointing Red Shoes turned me off Kate's work for a while: recently, though, I dug out The Sensual World and found myself weeping with joy by the first chorus of "Love and Anger." Yeah, this one holds up...

Kate is undeniably an important figure, if only because of the way she has dealt with the industry: her insistence on producing her own stuff (production has been historically, and remains, a boys' club for boffins); her refusal to tour; and her control over the presentation and marketing of the Kate Bush brand. No meeting us half-way—if we approach Kate, we approach her on her terms.

Then there's the mystique. Like the Brontës or Jane Austen, Kate Bush moves in a tightly-constricted social circles composed largely of family and close friends—and, like the Brontës, makes art by imagining herself out of that circles: as Mrs. Houdini, as Wilhelm Reich's son, as a Viet Cong suicide bomber. And yet some of her most moving work takes the Jane Austen tack—forging something of resonance out of the very stuff of her tiny life.

Consider, also, the way that listeners have reacted. It's hard to be neutral about her—although much of the negative reaction to her stuff is implicitly a reaction against the zeal and single-mindedness of her fans—which can be off-putting. But, as with, say, Neil Gaiman (a comparable figure, in many ways), it is unfair to let the geekiness of the fanbase prevent a fair assessment of the work.

Your thoughts on Kate Bush, please. Yea or nay> Genius or whacko? Which albums? Which modes and constructs—the self-contained popsongs, or the radio-play-style suites? What does her image say about modern womanhood? Is there still a place for her in today's pop landscape?
 
 
Ierne
13:20 / 21.05.02
although much of the negative reaction to her stuff is implicitly a reaction against the zeal and single-mindedness of her fans—which can be off-putting...it is unfair to let the geekiness of the fanbase prevent a fair assessment of the work. – Jack Fear

Hmmm...I can't say I've met any Kate Bush fans except myself and the people I've turned on to her, so I'm not sure how fair it would be to respond to the above (peevishly or otherwise ). I mean, Rush has a similar problem where they're judged by their fanbase as well.

Maybe part of the "zeal and single-mindedness" Jack is referring to has to do with the lack of serious marketing push Kate has received in the States (where Jack & I both reside). Capitol Records consistently dropped the ball in terms of promoting her because they had no idea how to deal with her music, her image and her need for solitude. So interest in her has been rather a word-of-mouth thing over here. She received some attention back in 1986 from appearing on Peter Gabriel's So, but it wasn't really capitolized upon (pun intended). The Red Shoes came out on Epic or some Sony label, and I recall some promotion on their part as well, but not anywhere near the attention Kate gets in the UK or Europe.

I've been a fan of hers since The Dreaming came out in 1983. I know Hounds of Love gets all the props for genius but The Dreaming has a definite FUCK YOU! quality that I really needed to hear at the time, and still appreciate today.

I'm not sure that her image needs to say anything about "modern womanhood" – that was never really part of her plan. In interviews she has never shown interest in discussing either feminism or neo-paganism, despite the fact that her work – and her approach to her work – throughout the years has displayed strong elements of both.
 
 
drzener
15:03 / 21.05.02
I love Kate Bush. I've got Never forever and The Kick Inside at home. I don't have much else to say about her about from the fact that she was one of the pioneers of decent sampling long before anyone else with Waking the Witch (off Hounds of Love I think)
 
 
rizla mission
15:34 / 22.05.02
Y'know, I kinda like Kate Bush. Not in the sense that I actually gain much pleasure from listening to her music, but in the sense that she's managed to be a big star and captured the middleaged/middleclass demographic, whilst still being consistently crazy and interesting and weird. Which is pretty unique. So - respect.
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:09 / 22.05.02
I like Kate.

Many people I know like her earlier, more squawky stuff, but I think that she’s matured both in terms of songwriting, and her voice – much broader and more husky. And I prefer the later stuff generally; the Ninth Wave sequence on the Hounds of Love is my favourite ‘bit’, and The Sensual World is cracking, though The Red Shoes left me oddly cold, despite the beauty of some of the music (Moments of Pleasure, for example).

But there is the problem that a lot of her fans – like so many fans of so many things (Rocky Horror Show, Star Wars, etc) are probably the worst adverts for the source material…

DBC
 
 
Ria
16:24 / 22.05.02
no comment, Jack, except that you time-travelled me back to the late '80's-early '90's there when KB formed one of the cornerstones of my psychescape. funnily enough meeting KB fans in person put me off the interest. ooh I could ramble on about this for a while. I won't.
 
 
Ierne
16:36 / 22.05.02
Maybe it's a good thing that I've never met any other fans then...

But let's forget about the fanbase and talk about the music, eh?

re: Red Shoes – I thought it was a bit patchy as well, though I don't recall feeling really negative about it at the time. It was pretty brave of her to collaborate with (The Artist Formerly Known As) Prince, although for many the concept may have outshone the results.
 
 
cusm
16:42 / 22.05.02
There's an RPG called Over The Edge by John Tweet about a funny little island full of crazy conspiracies with a Naked Lunch feel to it all. One of these, is Carla Summers and her fanatical fanbase, the Summerites. Summerites are fanaticly loyal to their POP icon, worshiping her as a goddess. They include a lot of minor psychics and occult students of various skills, who listen closely to the lyrics of their goddess for the occult sekrets she hides within the lyrics of insipid love songs. Sommerites are a dangerous lot should one criticise their idol in front of them, and often keep shrines to their goddess in their homes.

Yea, its exactly what it sounds like, confirmed by the author, as one Sommerite to another.
 
 
Ierne
17:47 / 22.05.02
cusm – that's pretty interesting, but what do you think of KB's music, if you think about it at all?
 
 
cusm
19:42 / 22.05.02
Well, at one time I was a bit like the Sommerite example above. Though lately, I could care less since she hasn't put anything new out in ages and what she has has gotten stale for me.

I think when she's off, she's squeaky and insipid. But when she's on, she's just amazing. Hounds of Love is still one of my favorites, and I really liked the Red Shoes. The movie with it (The Line, The Cross, and the Curve) is really interesting, too. Sensual World has some really powerful stuff on it, The Dreaming is just all around good, Never Forever has a few good gems on it and her first two I can mostly take or leave. She was awfully squeaky in the early years.

She did some Frutopia commercials recently as well that are just wierd soundscape stuff.
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:59 / 22.05.02
I love Kate Bush, but I couldn't name all her albums. When I was a kid, my dad would listen to her every day, so there's great childhood memories in Cloudbusting, baboushka and the rest. yiyi
 
  
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