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Bacchus: A Simple Working

 
 
Warewullf
17:54 / 18.05.02
So last night, I'm out in pub with a whole big bunch of people (private party).
We're having a laugh, everyone's having a good time.

I go into the gents and decide to do a little prayer to Bacchus to really get the party going. I draw a pentacle on the mirror and visualise it burning with white light. I say a quick prayer, asking Bacchus to come along and join the party if he wants to.

He did.

Soon, people were snogging left right and centre, the party kept going for an hour and a half after the pub shut, there was wild dancing and groping and some ended up having sex with multiple partners.

(note: we have all been out together before and nothing like this had ever happened.)

Normally, I would say that being drunk (and I was very drunk!) would be hindereance to magick, but in Bacchus' case, I would say it was definite advantage!

This was my first working with this god. Anyone else ever invoked him?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:37 / 18.05.02
Not specifically with him...

Great, you have introduced yourself to a god, now to build a relationship.

And then exploit it to get favors.

You should try collecting more things that correspond to him.
Host a party that has decorations based on him.

Drunken pin the tail on the ass.
Color scheme of indigo and black.
Try to be Bacchus while at the party.

I would suggest that having a designated driver/dorm mom kind of person would be a good idea. Especially a magically aware chaperone that knows what you are up to.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
07:12 / 19.05.02
and then don't forget to be torn limb from limb by a wild group of drunken women who rip your head off and fuck your intestines.

but at least that doesn't happen until the end.
 
 
Ierne
13:05 / 20.05.02
Great, you have introduced yourself to a god, now to build a relationship. And then exploit it to get favors. – fenris23

Have you ever exploited your relationship with a god to get favors, fenris? And how do you define exploitation in this case?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:07 / 20.05.02
Ooh, be careful, Mystery Gypt's got it down in one. Exploit but don't abuse because you don't want Bacchus to turn you in to an alcoholic bitch sitting in the corner rocking. Do you?
 
 
Ierne
16:46 / 20.05.02
Janina – When you mentioned "an alcoholic bitch sitting in the corner rocking," I thought of Janis Joplin, which maybe wasn't your intention but might be suitable enough considering her short life.

We've got some very loaded terms here in this thread – namely "exploit" and "abuse." It would be interesting if we could discuss what these terms mean, especially when it comes to interacting with deities and Dionysos/Bacchus in particular. Do they, in fact, have any bearing on the matter? Can one "exploit" or "abuse" a deity?
 
 
cusm
17:18 / 20.05.02
As a parallel, the way a voodoo party works is one sets out the food and offerings, invites the loa to attend, and then the drumming and dancing start up and can go on for days at a time. The spirits come, and people occasionally are riden. Its the same tools used as what you did with Bacchus, which is why I mention it. Only I'll bet doing it in one of his temples (a pub) certainly helped

Lately, we invite Esu when we throw a party. The current party house has a big alter by the door for him. He opens the way for anyone else who wants to come by, and things work out very well from there. The only real difference between what we do and traditional african rites is the techno trance pumping around the house instead of drums. The loa adapt easily to this sort of thing (they as a whole like to party), its just the same tribal patterns in a new setting. We did that this weekend, and it was a fabulously good time for all.

Anyone else do party invocations, Bacchus or otherwise?
 
 
Warewullf
18:58 / 20.05.02
Gypt: Yeah, I know about the Baccinalia stuff which is why I went for more of an invite than a full-on summoning.

Oddly, I felt that I had to do a banishing the next moring. Not sure why. Just flet like there was a strong... "after-taste", if you like.

Ierne: I prefer not to exploit or abuse a relationship with anyone so I think that I might try dedicating a few drinks to Bacchus next time I'm out drinking and try to get a rapport going that way. I don't see the point of summoning him to my home. It'd be like inviting a really cool fun guy to a totally dull party.
 
 
Ierne
19:34 / 20.05.02
I prefer not to exploit or abuse a relationship with anyone... – Warewulf

I hope you don't feel that I was implying otherwise...I was hoping to get further clarification from fenris23 as to any experience s/he may have in the possible expliotation of deities, and furthermore asking in general if it is indeed possible to exploit gods.

The type of energy one deals with in working with gods or deities is not the same as working with servitors or demons or spirits. So I would venture to suggest that the ideas of exploitation or abuse don't really fit the scenario. Dionysos/Bacchus escpecially deals with the idea of liberation (one of his Roman names is Liber), so that lessens the likelihood even further that he would be easily manipulated by a human magician.

Mention has been made here of The Bacchae, and it's a brilliant and informative play. But one must be careful not to confuse Euripides' play with how Dionysus may have actually been worshipped in ancient Greece and its surrounding areas. As in any work of fiction, there is bound to be a certain amount of exaggeration and distortion catering to the sensibilites of the playwright's audience.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
20:44 / 20.05.02
Irene, sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.

Exploit was too strong of word. Say you work at a store and one of your friends asks you if they can buy this item that they really want with your employee discount. You'll probably help your friend out using the power that you have. From outside the relationship it might look like your friend was exploiting you.

That is the kind of relationship you could build with gods, especially gods that like to party with you.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:29 / 21.05.02
I wasn't thinking in those terms. The thing about Gods, though I have no actual experience with this one, is that you take it so far and then they decide they don't like what you're doing. You get a back lash. I stopped using any wiccan reference in my invocations when I was about 16 and found that the nature of my invocations changed completely. They became a lot more sharp and intolerant and I guess I say don't abuse- as in don't use it all simply for your own ends- because of that.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
06:46 / 24.05.02
if i'm not mistaken, though, Greek theater was often in general in part a ritual to bacchus; the Euripidean performance would have been less like a 2 hours at the theater, shocking tales of local myth sort of a thing and more a 12 hour festival involving lots of fire and crazy looking masks.

and as with other late period greek theater, the play is based on preexisting myth rather than contemporary sociology. when we worship deities, especially classical ones and the like, i would suggest that we are refering to their myths more than we are to their original customary form of interaction, and in this regard the play would have to be considered something of a canon text.

but then i suppose this raises an possibly interesting question -- are we interacting with the true god, the same one that ancient priests interected with, or are we interacting with a representation, a meditated-upon godform born from myth and later psychical energy? are these two different things at all? is there an argument to be made for simulation in these kinds of magical interactions?
 
 
Warewullf
22:22 / 24.05.02
but then i suppose this raises an possibly interesting question -- are we interacting with the true god, the same one that ancient priests interected with, or are we interacting with a representation, a meditated-upon godform born from myth and later psychical energy? are these two different things at all? is there an argument to be made for simulation in these kinds of magical interactions?

Um, I don't know. I suppose it depends on what you believe. I believe I was dealing with the actual Bacchus, others may feel that they are contacting a certain part of their own conciousness through the Bacchus god-from (a psychic template, if you like.).

From a chaos point of view, it doesn't matter if it was the acutal God or a made-up Godform made from the beliefs of a whole bunch of people.
 
 
Ierne
12:40 / 28.05.02
Mystery Gypt: I agree completely with you that drama in the Ancient Greek world was considered sacred ritual, and Dionysos was a deity especially associated with drama as ritual. This does not necessarily mean that Euripides was an initiate of Dionysian mysteries, or that his portrayal of the god's worshippers (the Maenads) is a honest one.

As for whether or not we are worshipping the same deity as the Maenads and Bacchantes of old did, my answer would be yes. How the deity is worshipped in the present time has to be different, because those who worship him now live very different lives than the ancients did, with different experiences and perspectives to bring to the table when interacting with the god.

Your references to simulation and "interacting with a representation" instead of "the true god" are quite fascinating if we take into consideration that Dionysos is often represented as a mask, or as having a mask-like face. (This ties into theater as well...) Did you have that in mind when you asked the question?
 
  
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