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Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:14 / 17.05.02
Or, The Bride of Urban Legends (for fun and profit)

The urban legens thing having been something of a success (thanks again to all who participated and who continue to participate), I've decided to move on to my next project, the creation of a haunting.

Now, the basic idea is this. We encode a spell in the backstory of a haunting, then convince people to actually "see" the ghost. The act of witnessing the haunting gives the spell a charge.

The spell in question would be one to enhance general creativity on the board, giving people inspiration and the resources to realize their ideas. So it's probably going to be a fairly wet ghost.

You ideas, input, story outlines, verbal abuse, incredulity, whatever, please....
 
 
Bear
11:22 / 17.05.02
Cool idea, I would suggest (for what its worth) that since we're all modern people, it should be a modern ghost, none of this Victorian rubbish

Some sort of young techno-geek, dying in front of his computer, actually that might be a bit shit, sounds like the x-files....

I'll get my coat
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
11:31 / 17.05.02
heh heh heh.

yeah, a modern ghost would be groovay. When you say you wanna create a haunting, do you mean make up a story to scare people, or to imprint a ghost somewhere....i'd better go look at the urban legends thing, see what went on there
 
 
ciarconn
11:51 / 17.05.02
A modern ghost sounds good
I feel it would be better to tap in an already existing legend. Perhaps review XFiles or Millenium and use something from there, slightly modified repeating memedrive.
Something that can be adapted to different places (a roaming ghost? something moving like Bloody Mary?)
 
 
Bear
11:57 / 17.05.02
Bloody Mary that was fun, run in a zig-zag pattern and she can't catch you they used to say around my way.

Maybe you could use the old summoning thing, you know like Candy man - saying his name 3 times into the mirror....

An internet based ghost would be cool, start up a whole legend about a ghost that visits you after you look at a certain site, could work great as a servitor aswell, finding things on the net for you or protecting your PC?
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
13:16 / 17.05.02
yeah, have a haunted site, make it some base occult thing, and somehow spread the rumour that people keep on dying after seeing it, or have onscreen instructions (well just words to say) to summon a ghost.

In primary school i heard that if you light a candle by a mirror, turn around three times you'd summon satan...nobody had the guts to do it thuogh, cos there was always rumours of someone who did it and dissapeared.

i dont think its there anymore, but geeky people always used to try to trick eachother to go to goats.cx or something similar, cos there was just a page with a picture of a gaping ass...make a sigil, nothing else on a page except for some writing saying that its a magic eye of a naked women, or some shit like that and some people will stare at it for ages.
 
 
ciarconn
13:16 / 17.05.02
Hey, I once entered a chaos magick site where the owner said (if you try to hack this site, a protector succubus will get you) or something like that. It was impressive for me.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
14:55 / 17.05.02
Some sort of young techno-geek, dying in front of his computer, actually that might be a bit shit, sounds like the x-files....

An internet based ghost would be cool, start up a whole legend about a ghost that visits you after you look at a certain site, could work great as a servitor aswell, finding things on the net for you or protecting your PC?


Ahem. Lain . I'm not exzactly sure what she is, but she needs our love...
 
 
cusm
15:31 / 17.05.02
Lain is an anime involving crossovers between the virtual world of the net, the spirit world, and the real world. Lots of spooky psychic VR stuff, people ascending to godhood, wierd techno drugs, and a little girl in bear suit pjs. Entirely appropriate source material for this thread, actually.

I like the ghost in the machine idea. What if the page had a java applet that displayed a static screen, like a tv to a dead channel? People could stare at it and imagine they see faces... Static is a good source of chaos for trying to contact spirits through techy means to begin with. Its also trancy. If it occasionally flashed to sigels, even better.
 
 
ciarconn
12:49 / 19.05.02
Yup, the Ghost in the machine sounds good.
A ghost that marauds the pahtways and highways of internet
The memetic structure of the ghosts myths include a moral, (i.e. the bloody mary was an egocentric, too proud woman), so, what's the story of the ghost? what does it teach? WShat do we want to teach? what proof do we have of it's apparitions (remember the 3D photo of the asian noon)?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:26 / 19.05.02
'Sfunny you should mention old Bloody Mary- she's pretty much what I had in mind. I want the haunting to be free of geographical ties, you see, and accordin to myth Bloody Mary can go anywhere there's a mirror. A net-based ghost would be perfect.

I was thinking also of The Ebay Haunted Painting (which I've mentioned before in the context of magickal art).

Here's an edited version of what the sellers said. The link above has the full text.

HAUNTED PAINTING ----- WARNING AND DISCLAIMER

DESCRIPTION

WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS PAINTING, WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD ART. A " PICKER " HAD FOUND IT ABANDONNED... AT HTE TIME WE WONDERED A LITLLE WHY A SEEMINGLY PERFECTLY FINE PAINTING WOULD BE DISCARDED LIKE THAT. ( TODAY WE DON'T !!! ) ONE MORNING OUR 4 AND 1/2 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER CLAIMED, THAT THE CHILDREN IN THE PICTURE WERE FIGHTING, AND COMING INTO THE ROOM DURING THE NIGHT... MY HUSBAND WAS ALARMED. TO MY AMUSEMENT HE SET UP A MOTION TRIGGERED CAMREA FOR THE NIGHTS. AFTER THREE NIGHTS THERE WERE PICTURES.THE LAST TWO PICTURES SHOWN ARE FROM THAT 'STAKEOUT'. AFTER SEEING THE BOY SEEMINGLY EXITING THE PAINTING UNDER THREAT, WE DECIDED, THE PAINTING HAS TO GO.PLEASE JUDGE FOR YOURSELF...

...WE WANT OUR HOUSE TO BE BLESSED AFTER THE PAINTING IS GONE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW, WHO IS QUALIFIED TO DO THAT?


They went on to say:

AS I HAVE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, HERE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS. THERE WAS NO ODOR LEFT BEHIND IN THE ROOM. THERE WERE NO VOICES, OR THE SMELL OF GUNPOWDER, NO FOODPRINTS OR STRANGE FLUIDS ON THE WALL. TO DETER QUESTIONS IN THIS DIRECTION, THERE ARE NO GHOSTS IN THIS WORLD , NO SUPERNATURAL POWERS, THIS IS JUST A PAINTING, AND MOST THESE THINGS HAVE AN EXPLANATION, IN THIS CASE PROBABLY A FLUKE LIGHT EFFECT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BID ON THE ARTWORK, AND CONSIDER THE LAST TWO PHOTOGRAPHS AS PURE ENTERTAINMENT, AND PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION, WHEN BIDDING. AS WE THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO BLESS ANY HOUSE, WE STILL WELCOME INPUT INTO THAT PROCEDURE.

Rather a nice touch, I thought, as was this parting shot towards the end of the auction:

7 emails reported strange or irregular events taking place, when viewing this image. And I will relay two suggestions made by the senders. First not to use this image as the background on the screen, and second not to display this image around juveniles or children. Last not least, thanks for apreciating the art as well.

(I should mention that I've used the image for the background of my blog, which has yet to exhibit any strange symptoms.)

This is from an interview that the website conducted with the lucky bidder who snapped up the Ebay pic:

SURFING: You have received emails that people have been "repulsed", made "physically ill" and "suffered from blackout/mind control experiences" just by viewing pictures of the painting?

L.B.: Yes.

SURFING: ....you have been receiving you have had offers to "cleanse your residence" as well as scriptures and prayers. Do you think these are coming from people who experienced something from the actual photos of the painting or from the description that was posted for the sale?

L.B.: I think more power of suggestion, but who knows. What I experienced seems to be the norm, but there are many different people out there.

SURFING: How many "concerned" emails have you received? (estimate)

L.B.: 3 very different responses, 10 more that were frightened or repulsed.The seller has had 15 eventful emails along with 40 offering to cleanse her home. I also have been contacted by the Ghost Hunters of Georgia, and a graduate student in parapsychology from J.F.K. University.

SURFING: When you say "3 very different responses," What do you mean?

L.B.: An exorcist type of voice, along with a blast of hot air, like standing in front of an oven door. Two friends crying after this experience and praying until a minute had passed and everything went back to normal.
A new Epson printer that ate and mutilated page after page when the user tried to download images of this oil.
The Native American who became so ill he had to cleanse his house by burning white sage. He warned me not to put this item around small children, and that there is great evil contained here.


So although the original ad has all the hallmarks of a hoax, some people seem to have had genuine experiences as a result of it. I'd like to look into creating a similar legend with a positive version of this effect.
 
 
ciarconn
13:51 / 19.05.02
The windows ghost?
Do you think Bill Gates would be bothered?
Windows... Gates... (And the door to my room just got opened by itself)

A hacker?
A forgotten programer?
Scammed by Gates?
Died in front of the computer?

heh

I'm hearing him in my mind, now.
 
 
cusm
17:49 / 20.05.02
The painting thing works because images are so powerful. Especially if they are a bit mysterious and creepy to begin with. So naturally, sigels spring to mind as an immediate application of this.

Its easier to use fear of a bad thing to spread ULs, such as "if you put this image on your web site terrible things will happen to your server!". But you want a positive effect. Maybe like a guardian angel?

As a place to start, there is a demon called Mammon who is patron of (I think) greed, money and webs. He is often seen as the patron spirit of the Internet (or WWW, more specificly). Problem being, he's a demon, and aspected towards greed. However, perhaps this can still be useful.

What if in response to the good souls trapped by the evils of the WWW an angel was assigned to help protect good people from Mammon's influence? You'd need a suitable "this was revealed to me in a divine vision" story to back it up, a name for the angel, and a sigel to be used as desktop background or used on web pages as a protective glyff. "By placing this symbol on your web site and invoking the angel's name, you and your visitors will be protected against the demons who proliferiate the internet, such as viruses, hackers, and child pornographers."

Anyone skilled in Enochian around here? I've only the basic overview of it myself, but I can see how you would use it to take the name of a demon, invert it, and create the name of an angel that would oppose the original demon. If you take on Mammon, this could really spread, as both your angel and Mammon would work to proliferate it (as spread of the angel increases awareness andfear of the demon, thus increasing the power of both).
 
 
grant
19:15 / 20.05.02
There's a patron saint of the internet already.
Isidore of Seville.

It'd also be important to sell a ghost story over the internet that CLEARLY would have nothing to do with a VIRUS.
People (especially Urban Legend Vectors) are terrified about viruses, and if you say, "Hey, there's a page here that will crash your computer!" that's the first thing they're going to think.

A haunted weblog could be fun. You'd have to actually write the thing, of course, unless there's a codicil about it being yanked off the server after the writer committed suicide/died tragically at her computer.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:51 / 20.05.02
I was thinking something along the lines of a computer artist, who dabbled in Magick and came to a Bad End *smirk*. Something like, Ze created increasingly weird images and one day was found dead at the VDU, bolt upright and staring at hir last work.

(Yeah, I know. Needs work.)

I was thinking of images along these lines. Bit ropey, I know, but could someone do something with it?

 
 
ciarconn
23:59 / 20.05.02
"I was thinking something along the lines of a computer artist, who dabbled in Magick and came to a Bad End *smirk*. Something like, Ze created increasingly weird images and one day was found dead at the VDU, bolt upright and staring at hir last work".

Sounds good.

Let's work on the details

Did she create magickal art?
What went wrong and caused her death?
What kind of vices or evil behaviors does she punish (if so)?
In which circumstances does she manifest?
Are her images her channel for manifestations?
Does she protect some inocent people?
What are her connections with magick?
How does she look?
Some characteristicas of her life?
Is she only related to her images?
 
 
ciarconn
21:56 / 21.05.02
Here are some optional sugestions to construct the life and death of this metaghost:

Esoteric artist
Obsessed with his work
Forgot to socialize, forgot his family
Died of stimulant abuse
Invocation art
Disliked pornography
Tried to sell art/ wallpapers to avatarsearch
Had troubles as a child
His fuge was creating art
Was twentysomething years old
Used an old Apple Macintosh
Had a wife and a kid, they left him because he was obsessed
Manifests through his paintings
Manifests to netaholics, workaholics, sexobsessed, giving them a feeling of homesickness
Likes webmagickians
When he manifests to a depressed person, he gives them a feeling of wellbeing
Tried to sell his wallpapers to Avatarsearch
 
 
cusm
15:58 / 22.05.02
Used an old Apple Macintosh

Ooo! I like that one. He had an old IIe that he upgraded with a IIGs card kit to act as a graphics workstation (these were comparable to the Amigas at the time theyfirst came out, but not quite as good). He was one of those particular hardware geeks who really liked his specific setup. Its told that if you display his work on a similar setup (IIe with IIGs upgrade kit) in a graphics editor program, his ghost may appear to complete the work if he likes the setup.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:44 / 22.05.02
Esoteric artist
Obsessed with his work
Forgot to socialize, forgot his family


How about a very shy person (an only child) who didn't get on with their rather strict 'rents?

Died of stimulant abuse

Nah. Carbon Monoxide poisoning from a dodgy central heating flu. Landlord to blame. Suggestions of foul play, never proven.

Invocation art
Disliked pornography
Tried to sell art/ wallpapers to avatarsearch
Had troubles as a child
His fuge was creating art
Used an old Apple Macintosh


Like it, like it.

Had a wife and a kid, they left him because he was obsessed

I see this person as being someone who didn't really form relationships well. "Almost ghostly," people would say later. "Hardly said a word. Very difficult to talk to."

Manifests through his paintings

Yup.

Manifests to netaholics, workaholics, sexobsessed, giving them a feeling of homesickness

Not so sure about this, but it could work.

Likes webmagickians
When he manifests to a depressed person, he gives them a feeling of wellbeing


Great. Nice touch. Also, the artist appears to those who have creative blocks, manifesting thru vivid dreams that refresh and inspire.

I'm thinking of having a verse or a chant that's associated with our artist.
 
 
grant
17:51 / 22.05.02
Was he in a band?
Did he release a cassette of lo-fi four-track recordings?
 
 
ciarconn
01:49 / 23.05.02
This is taking a good (but strange) form (I am an only child)
How old was he? Did he swtill live with his parents or all by himself?
How didi he make his income? He didn't live well, because he lived in faulty installations.
What did the landlord dislike in him? His lack of money, or his creative spirit?

On the verse: something short, repetitive, relatied to his essence, to the goal of this life (which, by the way, was...?)

How did he look? Thin? Blond, or brun? Used glasses? Did he shave? He must have been pale. Which snack did he eat while he worked? that would be a good offering to work with him
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:57 / 23.05.02
How old was he?

25, 26?

Did he still live with his parents or all by himself?

By himself, in a cruddy bedsit, or a house he shared with a couple of other people.


How didi he make his income? He didn't live well, because he lived in faulty installations.


Hmmm... some kind of design work? Freelance? He was shy, and didn't cope well with conventional work environments.

What did the landlord dislike in him? His lack of money, or his creative spirit?

The landlord wanted the residents out of the house so he could sell it, but there were a few months to a year still to go on the contract.

On the verse: something short, repetitive, relatied to his essence, to the goal of this life (which, by the way, was...?)

He wanted to pursue his art without being hassled.

How did he look? Thin? Blond, or brun? Used glasses? Did he shave? He must have been pale.

I think of him as having collar-length dark-brown hair, and rather dainty features.

Which snack did he eat while he worked? that would be a good offering to work with him

I think of him as being on some rather unusual diet- maybe he like to eat a certain fruit?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:00 / 23.05.02
I got some more ideas about our boy.


His folks married late in life, and had him pretty late- that's why he was an only child. They were pretty repressive and gave him less freedom than other kids his age.

He was often off school, sick with some chronic problem (asthma?). He would spend the time reading fantasy stories and drawing.
When he was a school the other kids ignored him or picked on him. He hated every subject at school except English, art and geography (he loved maps).

He had very few friends and was very reclusive. He was a late bloomer where girls were concerned, but few months before his death he'd met his first serious girlfriend.

(You know what? I'm actually starting to like this guy and feel sorry that he's dead. How wet am I?)
 
 
ciarconn
00:35 / 24.05.02
How about diabetes instead of athsma?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:21 / 24.05.02
Not bad. I want something that would make him seem frail, and I'm familiar with asthma so I could make it convincing, but diabetes would work too. Let's go with that unless we can come up with some ultra-exotic condition that he might suffer from.
 
 
ciarconn
11:54 / 24.05.02
I now I am being contradictory with myself(ves), but I was thinking this morning, as I went to my work, that it woudl be better for him to have asthma. It would make his death by air poisoning more probable. While making him diabetic would give him a whjole differetn array of causes of dath, but all would be demonstrable in the autopsy.
 
 
Bear
12:15 / 24.05.02
Diabetes doesn't really make people frail though, I like all the ideas though apart from the diabetes one, but thats just personal shit.

How about using the creation forum to create some tortured soul poetry that he wrote?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:30 / 26.05.02
Carbon Monoxide will kill anyone, asthma bedamned- it's a nasty little gas. What it does is bind to your red corpuscles instead of oxygen so you suffocate. You can't see it, taste it or smell it. Bunged-up flues and central heating boilers kill.

bearo: yeah, I was thinking of doing that, but I already did a similar thing with the urban legend project; it felt, and still feels, uncomfortably like cross-forum spamming. Depends if people are cool with it.
 
 
The Mr E suprise
09:59 / 31.05.02
Hmm,what about KIBO?
http://www.emf.net/~estephen/kibo.html

What you need is an actual news story about this, to concrete it. Let mo know when it's done and I'll see if I can help.
 
 
Stone Mirror
06:00 / 01.06.02
Oh, no, puh-leeze don't damage (even fictionally) Kibo! I actually know him. For those newer to the net than I, back in the days before the web existed, when there was just USENET, Kibo was famous for finding any mention at all of his name in any newsgroup anywhere, and following up the posting with a response of some sort. This was before Deja Vu (and now Google) made it trivial.

On the subject of hauntings, though, anyone else here ever come across the fabulously creepy Diaminas
story?
 
 
ciarconn
12:09 / 13.06.02
What´s KIBO?
What happened to this project? The dude fell asleep in the basement?
 
 
Unicornius
23:35 / 16.01.03
So? What happened?
 
 
ciarconn
02:03 / 18.01.03
Hey, maybe we should finish this project... Mord@nt?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:11 / 21.01.03
What happened?

A combination of IRL shenanigans, heavy medication and the fact that I've got the attention span of an oh, look-- puppies!
 
 
ciarconn
01:57 / 22.12.04
Hey... there is a hispanic legend, the Veronica, equivalent to the bloody mary belief. (Get in front of a mirror at mid night, and say three times...)
Well there is a new version... in this one, the access is through a supossed internet page.
Il include the tale in spanish, if someome is interested, I can traduce it here.

Son muchos los que cuentan haber entrado en una página web llamada www.blindmaiden.com (blind maiden significa doncella ciega).
Normalmente, si pretendes acceder a ella, por más que lo intentes, tu explorador no te lo permitirá, ya que para hacerlo deberás cumplir tres condiciones: encontrarte completamente solo, hacerlo exactamente en la medianoche de un día sin luna y tener apagadas todas las luces de la casa. Entonces, sólo entonces, se te permitirá el acceso. Una vez dentro, enseguida, tras un impactante viaje por las imágenes que ofrece, sin necesidad de que nadie te explique nada, comprenderás, como dice el slogan de presentación de la página, que estás ante 'una experiencia real de horror absoluto'. Tendrás que emplear tus cincos sentidos y poner especial cuidado en no clicquear, ni por error, el botón de 'Aceptar' en participar activamente en la experiencia. Si así lo hicieses, sería tu fin y quedarías transformado en una imagen más del amplio archivo de incautos que, antes que tú, osaron, tal vez incrédulos, tal vez curiosos, probar esta experiencia. Pero ¿qué es lo que se supone que ocurre una vez que haces clic sobre aquel botón? Para tu sorpresa y horror observarás en tu monitor cómo una siniestra silueta se pasea... por tu propia casa!!! Querrás despertar de lo que desearás que sea una pesadilla cuando veas cómo ese espectro se acerca y entra en la misma habitación en la que te encuentras... te verás en tu monitor a ti mismo, de espaldas... entonces sentirás su presencia detrás de ti...
te girarás, no pudiéndolo soportar más y... lo último que verás, antes de morir, será el rostro de la doncella ciega, que despiadadamente te arrancará los ojos.

(http://www.homerosimpson.com.ar/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board= Off_Topic;action=dis\play;num=1064524925)
 
  

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