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Short Stories vs Novels

 
 
Shortfatdyke
14:43 / 12.05.02
i've noticed over the years that my short stories are getting longer and longer. whereas i used to struggle to the 5,000 word mark, 7 or 8 thousand words at least seems easy and necessary to tell a story properly. but i've noticed how a lot of writers seem to begin by writing short stories and go on to writing novels. is it a natural progression, do you think? the longer short story or novella is where i really want to be. do you think someone who only ever writes short stories will be seen as a 'proper' writer, or just practising for when they're 'able' to do a novel?
 
 
that
14:50 / 12.05.02
Personally, I reckon short stories are a damn sight harder to write decently than novels. Let me rephrase that - I've read far fewer good short stories than I have read good novels, and it's not through want of trying. I think short story writing is a specific and admirable skill that few develop. Cherish it if you've got it, man, I think, and write whatever comes naturally to you. Long short stories and novellas might be your calling - go for it, you know? Novel writing is not the mark of artistic success - look at airport fiction, for instance...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:31 / 12.05.02
i also love the short story, actually - i was wondering if, the way i'm going, i might drift into novel territory, lengthwise, almost by accident. if that's possible.

and airport fiction's my dream. how else am i going to make any money? just need people to start demanding serious lesbian/feminist horror on their plane journeys.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:52 / 12.05.02
i would like to know if the other writers out there have deliberately chosen to do shorts or novels. or both?
 
 
Cloudhands
20:03 / 12.05.02
short story writing is definatly a talent. you have to create distinctive characters good plot etc, in a much more condensed space.
I started writing a novel when I had more free time, it started out as a short story but I just kept writing more and more about the two characters in it. It's unfinished and I don't think I've had enough writing experience to write a really good novel. To me it's about ideas. Sometimes I'll have a little idea, a brief instant that could become a short story and other times generally when I'm not too busy doing other things I'll come up with loads of ideas that I think I could put together in the novel.
Cholister's right, just do what comes naturally to you
 
 
Sax
06:35 / 13.05.02
I can't do short stories at all, although I have tried. I just don't have the talent to tell a story and develop characters in so few words, I don't think. Novels are my thing - I narrowly missed having one published last year (long story) and am now working on a new one which I'm hoping is a tad more commercial. I tend to aim for about 100,000 words.

Ariadne is Barbelith's master (mistress?) of the short story - and this is Sax in non-stalking mode here, and being genuine. Ask her nicely she might point you to some of her work on t'internet.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
06:50 / 13.05.02
actually i *am* happy being a short story writer, and i think i am going to be regularly writing novellas soon and that's just fine by me. it's good to note that my fellow barbefolk take it as seriously as novel writing.

ariadne - or anyone else who has writing on the net - yes, please give me a link. i'd love to see what others are doing. pretty please, naturally.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:10 / 13.05.02

I love short stories and actively seek out collections for that lucky-dip thrill on long train journeys. Unfortunately it's an accepted truism that there isn;t any market for them (except me, and some other people). On the other hand, Will Self has amply demonstrated that you can build a considerable career and reputation on the basis of short stories alone, as his short stories (3 collections so far I think) are brilliant and his novels are shit.

So there's hope ... of a sort.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
19:10 / 13.05.02
Personally, I find myself hopeless at writing short stories, for the exact same reasons as Sax has mentioned, and use them only as a form of notetaking so I don't forget the idea when I get around to using it in a novel. That said, I don't really consider myself to be a 'proper' writer because I prefer to concentrate on novels, and neither do I think that short story writers are novellist wannabes; as Cholister said, it's just about doing what comes naturally.

do you think someone who only ever writes short stories will be seen as a 'proper' writer, or just practising for when they're 'able' to do a novel?

Unfortunately, the publishing world (agents particularly, in my experience) seem to labour under this dellusion. If you are intending to become published, then writing novels really seems to be the way to go - at least initally (unless, of course, you are able to have a collection of your short stories published in one go). When I first wrote off to the agent dealing with my current book, I mentioned having had short stories published before - albeit in small, local, publications. Their response was that I'd "obviously had plenty of practice" and was ready to tackle "serious writing". That attitude seems to be fairly common throughout my, admittedly small, experience of the publishing world.

Let's be honest here. The important thing for us - as writers - is to tell a story to the best of our ability. The length really shouldn't matter.
 
 
Ariadne
20:28 / 13.05.02
Thanks Sax.

There's a story at www.carvezine.com this month (I'm Gillian Law). Sorry I can't do links.
I had a couple more online last year but the sites have been updated. I could set up my own site, I suppose, but haven't got around to it. My stuff's pretty straight for Barbelith so be warned!
 
 
Ariadne
20:33 / 13.05.02
And I agree that there's a bad attitude towards short stories - one that I have to fight in myself. I would like to write a novel but this form seems to work for me. And so I should work on getting it right, rather than seeing it as a 'practice' form of writing.
 
  
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