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Winterton Sacked

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:01 / 07.05.02
Tory MP Ann Winterton lost her job as shadow agriculture secretary over the weekend for telling a racist joke at a constituency rugby club.

After refusing to resign, Iain Duncan Smith sacked her, despite her husband, fellow Tory MP Nicholas Winterton,insisting she was not a racist.



More here.

What do people think about this? Is IDS showing a commendable desire to put his house in order by tkaing a tough line on racism in the Conservative Party? Does the very fact that this behaviour was thought to be permissable a sad indictment of the Conservative party's inability to change its thinking, no matter what IDS may say or so? Or is IDS' claim to want to make the Tories the party of the helpless quite clearly bollocks, and this a tragic show of "Do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy?

Personally, I'm shocked. I mean, I *loved* Oranges are Not the Only Fruit.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:48 / 07.05.02
I'm not sure I undertsand your 'do as I say' comment there Haus, has IDS being making any ill-advised jokes of his own? I think this is commendable, that he's acted so fast. But is this sort of opinion something that is pretty much part of being a Conservative, or is it that Conservatives of a certain age and background have this kind of view?
(Which is not to say that I believe that all xenophobic racist twarts must be Tories)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:57 / 07.05.02
On "do as I say":

While he talks about moulding a more moderate Tory party, some suggest his past reveals a dangerous right-winger with supporters linked to a number of shadowy extremist groups - including Le Pen's National Front, pro-apartheid South Africans and the Ku Klux Klan.

In October 1995, Duncan Smith was one of several Tories who met senior figures in the French National Front and later drank with them in a bar at Westminster. Bruno Gollnisch MEP, Le Pen's deputy, was at the meeting, which was said to be about the European Union.


More here.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:02 / 07.05.02
I think IDS is actually quite sincere in his desire to make the Tories the party of the helpless (though I feel we may see in time that his interpretation of what exactly constitutes the helpless may differs from, er, others - deserving and undeserving poor, anyone?)

But what I think this incident shows is that reforming political parties is always fraught with danger - you can either prosecute reform by means of a small, powerful elite who formulate policies without reference to the body of the party/polity (New Labour), or you can try and get the body of the party to reform itself and wait ages for this to happen if indeed it ever does (and has this ever happened, in fact? When I was pondering this I was thinking of the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, but of course that analogy is flawed... I suppose it could show that the Bolshevik elite will usually beat the Menshevik mass... pffft). So IDS wants to reform the Tory party along the same lines as New Labour, but he's hampered by the members of the party who have this unfortunate tendency to make appalling racist jokes, or to have fathers who just happen to be BNP activists, and so on... Tony Blair has been much more successful in shedding the embarrassing members of his party but I bet you there are still some trade unionists out there who think women should be barefoot in the kitchen.

Problem exacerbated for IDS by the fact that Tory MPs seem to be much less professional than Labour counterparts (evidently his whip isn't quite as effective as it might be).
 
  
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