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There is no death...only pipe bombs

 
 
Ofermod
01:45 / 07.05.02
So pipe bombs started showing up in mailboxes across the mid west this weekend. The article is here.

The letter accomanying one of the bombs sounds half invisibles/half matrix/half nut-job. Full text here.
Some text follows:

If the government controls what you want to do, they control what you can do.

If you are under the impression that death exists, and you fear it, you do anything to avoid it. (This is the same way pain operates. Naturally we strive to avoid negative emotion/pain.)

You allow yourself to fear death!

World authorities allowed, and still allow you to fear death!

In avoiding death you are forced to conform, if you fail to conform, you suffer mentally and physically. (Are world powers utilizing the natural survival instinct in a way that allows them to capitalize on the people?)

To "live" (avoid death) in this society you are forced to conform/slave away.

I'm here to help you realize/ understand that you will live no matter what! It is up to you people to open your hearts and minds. There is no such thing as death. The people I've dismissed from this reality are not at all dead.


I've been unable to find out if this was with all the bombs, some of them or if different letters have been found with different bombs.

He ends this one:
Sincerely,

Someone Who Cares

PS. More info. will be delivered to various locations around the country.


So has the revolution begun? (and why can't I get the image of The Fact from Flex Mentallo going around putting bombs in mailboxes)
 
 
the Fool
02:48 / 07.05.02
If this is the revolution I'm Rolf Harris...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:57 / 07.05.02
And 10 years after this person is caught and/or killed, teenage kids will start wearing t-shirts with their badly thought out words of bad wisdom written on them...
 
 
rizla mission
15:53 / 07.05.02
I can't help thinking this guy's rather odd view of death might change somewhat if, y'know, somebody went round and threw a bomb at him.

Or if he lived in a place where such things happen routinely.

The silly arse.
 
 
gozer the destructor
16:10 / 07.05.02
out of intrest, what do you disagree with?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
16:27 / 07.05.02
I can't help thinking this guy's rather odd view of death might change somewhat if, y'know, somebody went round and threw a bomb at him.

Or if he lived in a place where such things happen routinely.


How do you know he doesn't? Or didn't? If he did in fact have explosives hurled at him for a period of his life, and thinks like this anyway, how would that make you feel? What if that's where he learned to think like this?

His view on death is far from odd. Which is not to say I condone his method of teaching others.
 
 
The Monkey
17:12 / 07.05.02
"Revolution" in the sense applied by prentitious fuckbakes who declare that their ends justifies their means - but not anyone else's - and start racking up a body count, typically of innocent bystanders and unfortunate schmoes, for, funnily enough, the bigwigs and hypothetical overlords of this world that they are supposedly resisting are in fact entirely inaccessible. But of course, killing or mutilating everyday joes and janes strikes such fear into the heart of the "Establishment," and thus has symbolic value...not. And all of this is justifiable because people really *do* matter less than ideology, right?
 
 
rizla mission
17:31 / 07.05.02
Yeah. I was trying to come up with something like that to say. Thanks Monkey.

I may well be proved wrong Johnny, but I feel fairly sure the person responsible will turn out to be a pretentious suburban American fuckbake with too much time on hir hands who's never got closer to death than tripping over a fence-post.

Just a crazy hunch.
 
 
The Monkey
18:11 / 07.05.02
I say it doesn't matter what their background is. While one can retrospectively assess how personal experience impacts the decision-making, ideology-forming process, even some sort of horrible traumatic childhood, state oppression...whatever...doesn't make this kind of random violence acceptable, nor even a realpolitick-viable method of affecting change. While I feel a twinge of sympathy for the suicide bomber who acts because s/he thinks the life of her nation/culture is at stake, it's only a twinge and it's immediately followed by the colder assessment that random violence is ultimately more cruel, more disgusting, and less efficient than any other form of violent resistance, and that the underlying rhetoric that *allows* for average people to serve as grease for the engines of ideology is both flawed and ultimately unproductive.

Ideogogues/idealists who are willing to "break eggs" in this fashion is ultimately totalitarian, regardless of what garnishings of justification or trapping of idealism they claim to represent. "Revolution" conducted by such figures results in the production of the most literalist mathematical result...the return to the original statis of oppression, a 360-degree rotation...different script, different set, different players - same result.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
18:39 / 07.05.02
I'm here to help you realize/ understand that you will live no matter what! It is up to you people to open your hearts and minds. There is no such thing as death. The people I've dismissed from this reality are not at all dead

eh? "there is no death" ? As for revolution, the only one is in my head

in the full text the dude makes ou like hes (shes?) some kinda immigrant to america, born and raised somewhere else, but it seems too contreived, as if deliberitely there to throw people off. but then he says that he learnt about other civilisations "in history" and using that terminology, would suggest (to me) that hes either in school, or has left not too long ago.

as for revolution, whats the point of changing systems when the way people think stays the same is pointless, the only revolution im gonna be involved in is in my head. it is nice of him to point out the problems for us, but all putting bombs about the place is gonna do is inspire more people to do the same, some of whom may not be so restrained about bloing people up :P
 
 
Lurid Archive
23:03 / 07.05.02
Its good to agree with the sentiments on this thread. Monkey articulates well our natural horror at these acts and Johnny the zenarchist points to an interesting philosophical stance that is easily overlooked in the immediate reaction.

But taking this discussion to a wider context, I'm drawn to a memory of a Palestinian sympathiser. I recall that this guy asked a question that I still find it hard to answer. "What action should a Palestinian, who objects to the occupation, take?".

I feel that I have no answer to the implication that such a person has no legal recourse. And is a peaceful protest anything more than symbolic in such a situation?

Perhaps the situation in the Middle East is rather more complex and extreme than in the US or the UK. That still begs the question of whether violent, indiscriminant protest is ever justified. I'd be tempted to say no, but I do so from a position of relative luxury and with a certain acceptance of the political system that I inhabit. See here for a discussion on the validity of voting, per se.
 
 
The Monkey
00:38 / 08.05.02
Okay, I'm gonna write this, and just deal with the fact that someone is going to look at me funny.

Other forms of political violence suggest one option. Organizing cell structures for purposes such as assassination, sabotage and destruction of strategic resources. Egression and movement into guerilla tactics suggest another. All of these skills have been successfully applied in the past by resistance fighters...although the current state of relative peace means that govts have plenty of manpower resources to track such activities, information technology has ironically generated a communication system where neither side is likely to intercept the intelligence of the either, and the knowledge and equipment for the creation of rudimentary ordinance is no longer accessible by those in need.
Nonetheless, damage to the military or economic infrastructure could lead to strategic gains towards an end, whereas terrorism rarely achieves a specific end, nor spreads a message. Strategic action, in second-order perceptions, is seen as desperation on the part of the rational; the continuation of protest when dispuation has failed.

The basis of terrorist theory is that attacks against the "public," rather than strategic targets, will generate fear as well as create doubt in the minds of the constituent public about their willingness to allow their government to continue in a set of practices that provoke terrorism...in theory. The power and use-value of terror tactics...highjackings, random bombings, even vandalism and harassment lies in the stochasticity of application...that such an event could occur at any moment, to anyone. This factor also brings the threat of violence into the close interpersonal sphere...the fear is not of abstracted others being hurt, but of perservation of the self and ones close affines.

This is, however, a double-edged sword, as the afterimage of September 11th demonstrates - there is an equal likelihood that a terrorist action will produce a emotive, violent defensive reaction on the part of the subject. America got poked once, and the result has been a cognitive shift to justify any action that protects "us." This system of emotive judgement is a thousand times worse in Israel. Many *rational* intelligent people have blind spots justifying the actions of the Israeli government, and their logic incorporates the very terrorist activities of the Palestinians that are supposed to serve as some sort of deterant. Also, there is an emotive construction of terrorism itself...the planned chaos of terrorist activities is often initiated as a product of a sense of moral outrage carried to its final conclusion. Often specific tetrorist actions are initiated as punishments for a corresponding action by the target. Even if this is not the case in the mind of the individual actor, it has certainly become the second-order analytical description of how these events start. Terrorist action as seen as a marker of irrational decision-making.

To summarize and state more clearly, terror tactics, and in particular non-strategic bombing, are "bad" because:

1) In historical record, they have consistently failed to achieve the intended results, regardless of the context where applied, and in fact often escalate issues, and thus have little military value.
2) Often act to confabulate a message of protest or resistance by introducing strong self-preservation reactions in the global public ("it could have been me" empathy) and greatly complicating international intervention by introducing a martial complication to the possibility of negotiation.

Im not done yet...more later.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:19 / 08.05.02
Basically the subtext I read into this (and from replies I think other people have too) is the person is saying "death doesn't mean anything if I kill you. But don't expect me to justify my position by killing me, because that would just be nuts! I've got to stay alive to spread the truth!"
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:36 / 09.05.02
Slide show of facismiles of a letter Helder sent to a Newspaper

There's a great deal of "we're all on the Holodeck" style posturing in this 5 (?more on this later) page letter. Helder claims to refute death through his experiences with lucid dreaming and astral projection. The last page of the letter features a paragraph length screed against marijuana prohibition.
However, it doesn't take an eagle-eye to notice that there's a page missing in the letter. The first 5 pages are stamped "x-5", while the 6th is just stamped "6". The paragraph at the top of page 6 is a continuation from somewhere else, not from page 5. Perhaps there was some evidence on the missing page that law enforcment doesn't want released yet.

Interesting reading.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:47 / 09.05.02
um, yes, i was going to say that if death is nothing to be afraid of, why is ze (presumably) still alive? surely such actions are the ultimate in forcing one's opinions on others. who have been judged a certain way, whether or not they have thought about the whole death thing and decided to stay living for a while longer. rather arrogant methinks.
 
 
The Monkey
18:17 / 09.05.02
Dilletantism - I think those markers are actually not a part of the original document, but rather stamps to indicate the pagination where none was initially, either as part of evidence protocol or simple organization on the part of the newspaper it was sent to. Given the fuzzing and distortion they create on the type and page, my guess is that they're rubber stamps in a different (non-black, probably red) color than the text. Note things like the scribbling on the last page, which show that the pages have been marked up by someone else prior to creating these digital facsimiles...likely the Badger Herald editor responsible for forming a story out of the rant. The grammar and pace of the the sixth page are also consistent with the flow of the rest of the text.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
18:23 / 09.05.02
Oh, I'm sure the stamps were put there by eithr the Badge Herald or the police, not Helder. But, didn't the last page pick up in a strange spot, not following the previous page at all? That's all I was trying to point out, not create some kind of conspiracy theory.
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:19 / 09.05.02

From Yahoo News:

"The 21-year-old college student accused of putting pipe bombs in mailboxes in five states told authorities he was trying to make a "smiley face" pattern on the map, a sheriff said Thursday."

..reminds me of fight club for some reason...

 
 
rizla mission
12:28 / 10.05.02
Isn't it tragic that that map almost transformed my opinion from "what a silly arse" to "this guy rules"?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:09 / 10.05.02
reminds me of fight club for some reason

Or Watchmen.

He is indeed a 21-year-old college student, according to CNN. Not a revolutionary, just another eejit with an elevated sense of his own importance, I'm afraid.

Sorry, but I just have no fucking respect for someone who's had all the advantages he must have had in his life and who chooses to lash out at the world in this violent and inane way. Why are the kind of people who'll take risks like this always so damned unimaginative? Or have I just answered my own question?
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
19:37 / 10.05.02
heh...

the smiley face thing is just nicely insane... a sense of humour travels far with me

"you say you'll cahnge the constitution,
well, you know,
we all want to change your head.
You tell me its the institution,
well, you know,
You'd better free your mind instead"

the beatles lyrics book is proving handy after all (bought of libary for 10 pennies )
 
 
grant
14:44 / 13.05.02
He might be dangerously insane, but dammit, he's got style.
 
 
Oresa delta 20
19:02 / 13.05.02
Indeed, although i'd have to agree with mordant on this one. Why do they always find it so hard just to add a little imagination into their work?? All it would take is a little bit of planning. I mean, it takes a fair while to make pipe bombs, right?? so why not take the time to come up with some sort of plan??

From what i can pick up from the text, it sounds like this guy isn't totally crazy, he's just spent a lot of time thinking about life. If he was really serious about htis, he should have also taken some time to identify other people in his area who might think the same way. What he really need for this to work, was to be part of a network of bombers. It takes more than one man to make a revolution. Of course, i could be totally wrong, and the letter could have been a little somethign to add to the excitement. In which case, he's a bastard.

I'm all for a revolution, but some jumped up little fuckwit putting bombs in peoples mailboxes isn't going to do anything for anyone. The first thing any revolution has to address is the people. Now that i think about it, this guy probably doesn't want shit for anyone but himself. I mean, if he wanted to overthrow the government, then the mailboxes he targeted should have been government ones.

Anyway, i'm beginning to rant now, so i'll let someone else take the floor......
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:11 / 14.05.02
i really don't see how you can call a guy who tried to draw a smilie face across the USA with pipebombed letterboxes "unimaginative". a lot of things, sure - but given the stupidly antisocial ways college kids act up, he defo wasn't unimaginative.
 
 
the Fool
05:18 / 14.05.02
From what i can pick up from the text, it sounds like this guy isn't totally crazy

not totally crazy, just crazy enough. Perhaps wacky is a better term. Or deeply inconsiderate and self-centred enough to come up with a creative yet utterly stupid self defeating plan. Though he did get his manifesto out there, you gotta give him that.

He didn't get much of the smile done did he...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:24 / 14.05.02
Well, once you've decided to put pipebombs in letter-boxes, it's all about what kind of pattern you make on the map if you don't have a specific target in mind. If you've just watched Fight Club for the 58th time then a smiley's the obvious choice.

The letter looks like derivative crap to me, but that's probably because I've read so much that's similar. Maybe those thoughts were totally original to him. I doubt it though. In fact, I can picture the exact scenes in Fight Club he was probably thinking of when he came up with this stupid plan.

Ah, what the hell. Pipebombing random people sucks, end of. Now, setting off EMPs in the Square mile... that could be interesting.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:19 / 14.05.02
(I jest, of course.)
 
  
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