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cusm
15:39 / 04.05.02
Lets try again with that putting people in bins business, a little more focused to topic this time.

Have you ever been in astral or magickal combat? Fight monsters in shamanic space? Test your psionic martial arts in energy combat against a hostile person?

Here's a chance to show your scars, and discuss technique.
 
 
Naked Flame
17:16 / 04.05.02
I've been jumped by a couple of extremely hostile presences in my time. The first was a magician who had fallen victim to what a fellow astral nutter called an 'elemental'- a being with power but without physical expression that was riding him without his full knowledge. Basically it was creating lots of special effects for him, and getting him drunk on his apparent power, but it was pretty clear that he wasn't in control when the thing came for me astrally without his knowledge wearing his form. I 'punched' it with kundalini energy focused through my third eye, and it desisted. But I had one hell of a headache for the next couple of days.

The second was much older and nastier: a demonic 'tail' I picked up on a trip to Manhattan that tried to eat my soul when my guard was down. I can't really tell you how I made it through that one, because I didn't beat it- something came down and fought it on my behalf. Rather grateful to have survived that one intact.

I've never initiated such 'combat': I wouldn't begin to know how. My stuff is strictly protective/transformative, and I have little knowledge of invasive techniques. It's not like a fist fight- that kundalini punch hurt me more than my opponent.
 
 
Seth
08:13 / 05.05.02
Here's a link to a recent thread in which I tried to fight a nasty shadowy guy in a recent journey. I stuffed it up big-time (novice!), but I'm still investigating a lot of what this experience seemed to initiate.

I recently tried to destroy another dream locale with fire (complete with characters and a lot of nightmarish stuff that I didn't like), before I realised it was exactly the wrong thing to do. I was knee-jerking, partially acting out of fear, and partially out of joy at becoming lucid and the feeling that I could do anything. It didn't work anyway: there's a feeling or wrongness when you try to force a different ending on a nightmare that you should be facing up to in a different manner, and I could still feel the locale reaching out for me.

I need to learn to pick my battles!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:27 / 05.05.02
At the moment, I think I could do with learning some defencive tecniques.
 
 
Wyrd
14:26 / 05.05.02
cusm wrote:

Have you ever been in astral or magickal combat?

Yes.

Fight monsters in shamanic space?

Yes.

Test your psionic martial arts in energy combat against a hostile person?

Yes.

Here's a chance to show your scars, and discuss technique.

This is a difficult subject to discuss, because it's such a huge area. It's almost like asking, "do you eat", and then expecting a quick answer.

If you look at indigenous tribal communities you'll quickly realise that magical combat was part and parcel of survival, and accounts of shamans (and their equivalents) are usually full of fights between rival magicians, cursings, protection, healing, etc. Most people associate healing as being the shaman's prime function in a community, while actually it was one of many functions s/he provided.

I think that it's always good to have common sense when working in esoteric areas. That means learning basic self-defense. That includes learning to ground, centre and shield at the very least. There are literally thousands of techniques you can use, and it all depends on what rings true for you. Some like the classics like the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram, while some people like to rely on Guides or Allies to help boost protection.

There is a fine balance to thread between paranoia and laxity. Also, some people are very prone to jump to the conclusion they are being magically attacked when it is more likely there is a simpler solution. I always think it's a good idea to be able to perform a "reality check" about these things before deciding you know who's putting the mojo on you, and then retaliating. Those kinds of battles can quickly get out of hand.

When I first started out I figured that people who banged on about being attacked magically were probably very full of themselves, and I didn't even put much faith in people's ability to do such things. Now, however, I know that everyone is capable of attacking someone in this way (even if they have no training), however, it's not very common - but it's not very rare either.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:48 / 05.05.02
The biggest astral/magickal fight I ever had was when I decided it would be a good thing to go and find a spirit guide. After spending a couple of hours a night in a trance state for about a week, I located, or was located by, a handsome male figure who claimed to be a guide and asked me to accompany them down a corridor. We seemed to be in a complex of silvery-white rooms, rather futuristic. Walking just ahead of him through the network of rooms, I remember thinking "this is a bit too easy, isn't it?" or something along those lines.

We entered a room with no wall opposite, just a dark void. "Go on," said my 'guide' impatiently. I turned to stare at him, and saw a wizened mummy instead of the man I'd followed. He became angry at being discovered, and tried to drag me out into the darkness. I looked over the edge and saw that there were dozens of other rooms above and below me, all facing out into the void.

We fouught for a long time, with him shouting at me; I can't recall exactly what was said but the gist was that many people's beloved and trusted guides were actually things like him, and if he didn't get me then something else would.

I eventually got free of the 'guide' and woke up out of the trance state. I still don't know what I fought that night.
 
 
the Fool
00:08 / 06.05.02
I had a similar experience with the void. It was during my bad trip experience a couple of years ago. The 'guide' I guess sort of embodied through my best friend of the time. Which I have to say was pretty terrifying. It was completely unexpected. I still don't know what exactly happened in the house before I left running thinking he was about to stab me to death (only on acid eh?).

The whole trip became about the doorways to the void. Death as doorway, darkness as doorway, fear as doorway, insanity as doorway. I was attacked by my own personalisation of the infernal contingent - the Imodia Corporation - that attempted to force me through one of those strange black doorways into the void. By attacked I mean more that these concepts tried to crush my spirit, so I would go through the door. I was terrified of this void/darkness/nothingness and struggled against with anything I had (Good memories, people I cared about, things I wanted to do with my life etc.). I believe this 'void' equalled my instant destruction. I ended up hinding under a staircase at a train station for a couple of hours, shaking and afraid. I barely held onto my sanity that night, honestly I'm not even sure if I did.

I found it interesting that the void returned recently, via Promethea. And reading it felt like what I have sort of been through in the last year or so. I have a feeling that I fell into the void that night, even though I thought I was still hanging on to the edge.
 
 
cusm
17:26 / 06.05.02
Wyrd hits it bang on for me. After awhile, it can just becomne a part of what you do, once you're aware of it. I used to be a lot more combative when I was younger, but I've learned better ways of dealing with these situations, like not getting into them at all.

Shamanic/trance/dream stuff: I learned early on to manifest a weapon and fight back. I use an Ego sword, I suppose you'd call it. Its a firey sword of light, kind of like a lightsaber. Cuts through anything, and is useful for holding baddies at bay with. Its kind of like a manifestation of pure will. I otherwise have been known to shapeshift as a line of defense, or any number of magic tricks if I'm lucid enough to remember that imagination is the only limit to that sort of thing, so long as you have the will to back it up.

Out in the real world, its all a matter of energy visualization. Get to know your own energy, and how to manifest it. Make a shield, ground, banish, learn where to draw power from. Basic witchy stuff. When it comes to this sort of thing, the imagined interpretation you see is a way of perceiving the reality of the situation. Trust your gut, and your senses, and bolster your defenses with a healthy dose of invulnerability. Its just like in lucid dreams how you can become like a god, only applied to the area immediatly around your body. That's yours, don't let anyone mess with it.

Here's one example, I'll give up for a story of it. There was one youngin at a party who wasn't quite integrating. He was doing the moody vampire thing, sitting in corners, feeding off the energy of the party, but not being a part of it. There are a few magicky types like me who keep an eye on that sort of thing, and we'd been talking about how to handle him. When you've a house full of folks on drugs, you have to keep on top of this sort of thing if you want things to stay safe and comfortable for everyone. People on Acid and E open up magickly in ways they don't necessarily understand yet. Anyway, I ended up dealing with it.

So I'm sitting in a room, and I feel him in the corner as a black presence, lost in some kind of moody loop, probably not even realizing what he's doing, thinking his vampire fantasies just that. I sync up with the ambient flow around me, and start walling him off, creating energy barriers around him, willing his aura back down into him. I was kind of carrying on a coversation with someone at time, but not really. It was just cover. This took most of my attention, and was some pretty serious work. We basicly entered a battle of wills over it, and the effort had me sweating. I finally managed to close all the way in on him, and bound him until he broke. It felt kind of like a door being closed or opened (hard to say). Immediately, he got up and left the room. Only, in the next room he tripped over something, said something witty about humping appliances, was the center of attention for awhile, and managed to make a complete turnaround to being a part of the party. Introversion turned to extroversion, and he snapped out of the funk and has been pretty with it ever since.
 
  
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