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WHEN I AM KING: Online Comic Club?

 
 
Mr Tricks
19:09 / 01.05.02
When I Am KING

This is one of the most ingaging & entertaining "web-comics" i've seen in some time...

Perhaps a worthy candidate for our Online Comic Club?
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:11 / 01.05.02

Sorry about the Link
 
 
Utopia
19:24 / 01.05.02
ummm, neat graphics, but the format doesn't really make me want to read on... and the repeated blow-job jokes...not funny, i'm sorry. the layout & color scheme though may have worked in print form.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:32 / 01.05.02
how far did you read?

slow or fast connection?
 
 
Trijhaos
19:47 / 01.05.02
Does it get any better after the first chapter? If so, I'll continue reading, but the color scheme is giving me a headache.
 
 
Utopia
19:50 / 01.05.02
ok, i read thru ch. 2, and i have a dsl connection. the problem was the sideways scrolling. he (or she, or it) sets up very similar panels, with only the details changed. side-scrolling kills the effect that could have been had by allowing the viewer to dwell on the panels, side-by-side. i will finish reading, but it didn't grab me enough to read it all now. like i said though, i did like the overly-simplistic "putzing around on my pc' style of it. and the "swing" marks below the pee-pee.
 
 
Sandfarmer
21:27 / 01.05.02
I'm envious of anyone who owns a copy of photoshop. You can do nice layerd stuff with it. Other than that, that comic is just not my bag.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:56 / 01.05.02
It improves as it progresses...

The color scheme changes... there's some experimenting with animation as other stuff...

The side scrolling, & the split frame are a bit clumsy for sure...

There seemed to be a major learning curve as the series progressed.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
22:23 / 01.05.02
Quite right. I ploughed through the whole damn thing one happy weekend last summer. It's funny(subjective one, this, I admit) and it's frequently gorgeous to look at, but more importantly, as PATricky says, in later episodes Demian 5 starts pulling all sorts of wonderful unexpected shit out of the bag. It would be all too easy to litter the thread with spoilers at this stage, so let's just say that it evolves beautifully into something that could never have worked in print.
 
 
ill tonic
22:50 / 01.05.02
I got a kick out of When I am King ... one of the few online comics I've actually enjoyed.

Another I really like is Spiders from E-sheep. I only wish he would finish the damn thing - I've been waiting for part three for months ....
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:39 / 01.05.02
E-sheep certainly has some Gems!!!
 
 
sleazenation
08:08 / 02.05.02
Lyra posted a link to this last year singing its praises- so i checked it out at work (so connection and download speed weren't a particular problem) read a few chapters in and.... got kind of bored. don't get me wrong there is a lot of interesting experimentation going on here with the form but the narrative was never really strong enough to propel me through the narrative. The pacing of the sale seemed very slow- this may have been a symptom of the sideways scrolling - the lack of panel closure. Maybe i sould give it another go...

Oddly enough - one thing i did miss with this was the ability to flip through the book, scanning the narrative in a non-sequential manner to see if there was something that the narrativew was building to - something that would help me justify plowing onwards...
 
 
mondo a-go-go
10:00 / 02.05.02
i've loved this for ages. did i put a link to it in the silent comics thread?

i really like the way he's done the parallel narratives in the two frames. i hate frames normally, but here they actually have a purpose, because they show one scene on top and then a "meanwhile..." on the bottom, without having to resort to using any words. that's really neat.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:01 / 02.05.02
The pacing of the sale seemed very slow- this may have been a symptom of the sideways scrolling - the lack of panel closure. .... one thing i did miss with this was the ability to flip through the book, scanning the narrative in a non-sequential manner to see if there was something that the narrativew was building to...

See, now this is very interesting to me. WHEN I AM KING requires a certain level of trust from the audience, and we're no longer used to that.

Because of its click-through format, WHEN I AM KING is a temporal experience, like a film or a play, rather than a spatial experience like a sculpture or a painting. Print media are a hybrid--a physical object that is experienced over time--and can be scrambled, taken out of sequence.

With the advent of home video and DVD, film (which had previously been a strictly temporal medium, unfolding over a set period of time) became plastic, malleable: you can shorten a film with the fast-forward button, or stretch it out by rewinding scenes, or scramble the order with the DVD's chapter function.

The sheer availability of (text) information about films have made the expoerience of watching a film less of a surrender. Time was that you could conceivably go to a movie or a play and not know what it was about, that you would have to figure it out as you went along. Now, though, when I go to the theater or see a film, I pretty much know what to expect: it's unavoidable.

WHEN I AM KING, though, unfolds as it does over time--with no hype, with no preordained conclusions, with no preconceived notions--and requires the viewer to surrender hir need to control the experience, and just let it happen.

That is very rare in a media experience these days. That it takes place in the very channel that has made information on other media so unavoidably ubiquitous I find a tasty irony.
 
 
sleazenation
13:43 / 02.05.02
Its funny Jack you talk about linear consumption of media if it were an unquestionably *good* thing - looking back to a pre-lapsarian, arcadian past where people 'took a chance' on a narrative.

I think the truely great story tellers are marked out by the fine craftmanship of the stories rather than the gaudy appeal of their 'novelty'.

incidentally i went back at lunchtime and re-read the whole thing... and again- yes some interesting narrative devices but the story itself wasn't sufficently engaging to propel me through it. I certainly had a dream like-quality, twas almost stream of consciousness, but ultimately failed to deliver anything more.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:54 / 02.05.02
Hm. Tried to avoid nostalgia in my tone, Sleaze. I'm just saying things have changed, that's all. Some think it better, some think it worse, but no one can deny that it is.

That said: I, personally, enjoy being surprised by a narrative, and rarely am any more. I like the feeling of watching an unhyped movie and figuring out my responses to it without any cues.

Sometimes the artist will reward the trust we place in them: sometimes not. Sometimes it "works" for one person, as WHEN I AM KING did for me, and not for another.

Part of it—of whether the story "works" for you or not—has to do with whether you can buy into the work's own internal drive, and let it be what it will be, rather than what you might want it to be—to let it succeed or fail on its own terms, rather than on yours.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:57 / 02.05.02
Or, in other words: what if WHEN I AM KING's "failure to deliver anything more" than its "dream-like stream-of-consciousness quality" is NOT, in fact, a "failure" at all?

Why does there have to be "more"?

Can't it just be what it is?

Just because you didn't like it doesn't necessarily mean there's anything "wrong" with it in any objective sense.
 
 
sleazenation
14:26 / 02.05.02
i didn't think i was saying there was anything wrong with it in the objective sense - just that it didn't do it for me. I was orginally going to state that explicitly at the end of my post but thought I didn't need to. Guess I was wrong.
 
 
sleazenation
14:29 / 02.05.02
and as for questions of the story's 'purpose' - well purpose would that be? if it is merely to 'entertain' surely it is the reader who is besed placed to judge that?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:07 / 02.05.02
Can art be judged objectively?

AAAARGH! ARRRG! Please! Stop hitting me!
 
 
Jack Fear
15:18 / 02.05.02
Good question.

I mean, yeah, by all means, judge whether a work succeeds at what it sets out to do... but is that really what it wants to do, or what you think it wants to do? You try to figure it out from context, but we all carry our own baggage into any experience of art, and that's going to color our interpretation...

Had a disagreement yest'y on the WEF with a guy who'd always regarded Barney Miller as a cop show, instead of as a workplace sitcom that happened to be set in a police station. He judged the show a failure overall, because it failed *as a cop show*.

An extreme case, maybe--but it happens to greater or lesser degrees all the time.

Good point, and good question.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:20 / 02.05.02
heh... I remember Barney Miller

On WIAK, there were parts i skimmed through quite quickly, while other parts lingered...

The fact that it was a dialogue free narrative I think added to it greatly.

SO did it's stream of consciousness quality... Still there was a beginning-Middle & end...

it's too bad if people got board with it and never finished. Different tastes of course... still how fair of a "judgement" can be made on an incomplete observation?

Granted, not finishing it is a judgement based action itelf...
 
 
sleazenation
22:27 / 02.05.02
I would like to say that I did actually go back this afternoon and finish reading this particular strip earlier today (see above post) and i still stand by the criticism leveled at it when i had stopped reading halfway through.

I am reminded of the radio transcript that was posted of the Richard Littlejohn/willself interview posted on barbelith a while back... Littlejohn did not read self's book and welf read the first hundred pages of Littlejohn's- when Littlejohn leveled the accusation that will self could not fully review the book because he had not read it all the way through self answered with the enquiry "why, does it turn into Tolstoy on page 105?"(littlejohn returned with the claim that it was far better than Tolstoy...).
 
  
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