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Anthems

 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:20 / 25.04.02
Reading through Captain Zoom's manly Sports Fans thread, I was thinking what a dire and unending dirge God Save the Queen is. No doubt considered quintessentially English by some but originally a German hymn called Ein fester Burg ist unser Gott apparently.

Oh Canada was compared favourably in Zoom's thread, by Dilettantism, to The Star Spangled Banner but don't recall ever hearing the former. Star Spangled Banner always makes me think of a scene in Poltergeist, at channel shutdown, before they come out of the tv.

I remember a Billy Connolly skit where where he suggested the theme tune from The Archers would serve us well (Barwick Green by Eric Coates, tum te tum te tum te tum...) If we have to have one, we could do worse. For a Scottish one I'd prefer Shirley Manson singing "I'm Only Happy When It Rains", mind.

Does any nation have a feelgood, hum-along anthem? Maybe if I watched manly sports stuff more, I'd hear a few good ones as the camera pans over sweaty men in lycra from far parts, bemedalled on the podium. Never have though.
 
 
Ariadne
20:29 / 25.04.02
Well, it's not an anthem, but you'd probably appreciate the New Zealand All Blacks and their haka. Big men, lots of shouting and tongues.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
20:35 / 25.04.02
There's a perfect crap version of the Finnish National Anthem at thenationalanthems.net. Lots of mp3 fun. Not that I think the Finnish National Anthem is particularly fun, but maybe it will be when I've finished making up my own version of the lyrics...
 
 
grant
20:38 / 25.04.02
Russia.

The Russian national anthem is like the theme to a Western: passionate, expansive, upbeat and stirring.

There's an ultra-cheesy midi version here. The same site has a heapload of anthems, and links to mp3s.

Personally, I've always liked "Hatikvah," Israel's anthem, for being such a sad, sad melody.
 
 
grant
20:42 / 25.04.02
Oh, and the best anthem in the world is "Nkosi Sikele," when done properly. It's the only one really written to be sung, that I can think of. (Star Spangled Banner has that bridge that really takes more than an octave range to get to. It's up there.)
South Africa. Most of the time, it gets conflated with the old anthem, "Die Stem."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:44 / 25.04.02
everyone
everyone is so near
everyone has go the fear
what's holding on?
what's holding on?
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
20:47 / 25.04.02
Why is it that every anthem I've listened to so far sounds like it was written by the bastard children of Wagner and Celine Dion? It sounds weird to me to hear violins soaring all over Japan's national anthem, and to hear nothing that isn't written in our 12-note scale. Is the concept of an anthem a western-only tradition?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:00 / 25.04.02
Good one grant, I'd forgotten Nkosi Sikele. Used to make me cry. Now it makes me think of Baked Beans, thanks to the Ladysmith Black Mombazo adverts.

Couldn't play the Finnish one, wembley, but it did make me think of the alternate Swedish national anthem which is definitely Hatt Baby Hatt.

And have remembered La Marseillaise, which is another good one. Gory lyrics too, all that "irrigate the ditches with our blood" stuff. Marchons, marchons... Good rendition of it by the prostitue on the guitar in Casablanca. Too good for that fucker Le Pen to be promenading about to.
 
 
aussieintn
21:11 / 25.04.02
Australians had the opportunity to choose a new national anthem in the 1970s, and mysteriously chose "Advance Australia Fair" to the dismay of musicians everywhere.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
21:17 / 25.04.02
Good rendition of it by the prostitue on the guitar in Casablanca.

Yeah, and I'll match your Casablanca with the jazz-pop bastardisation of the anthem of the USSR in The Unbearable Lightness of Being. "Scoundrel!"
 
 
uncle retrospective
22:28 / 25.04.02

The EU anthem is Ode to Joy.
At least they got something right.
The tune, there seems to be a lack of this Joy stuff...
 
 
sleazenation
22:50 / 25.04.02
Threadrot

Regarding the 'prostitute' in casablanca... where is it intimated that she is a member of the oldest profession? yeah she is describe by renault as 'constituting a whole second front' but took that to mean that she was a good time girl who was out for herself rather than the was actively soliciting for cash. Am I just amazingly slow on the up take or was this as close to a subtle allusion as cinema got in 1941?
 
 
mondo a-go-go
09:14 / 26.04.02
'la marsellaise' is pretty damn upbeat. and the beatles used it in 'all you need is love', which i totally groove on. what a fucking ace subversion!
 
 
Saveloy
09:22 / 26.04.02
Dammit, what's the tune in the film Babe that the farmer dances around to? Suitably stirring in a ta-ran-ta-rumpa! stylee, but also also eye moistening. I can remember that it's by Saint Saens and nothing else.
 
 
moriarty
10:11 / 26.04.02
if I had words to make a day for you
I'd sing you a morning, golden and true
I would make this day last for all time
Then fill the night deep in moonshine.


From memory.

I quite like the Canadian national anthem, but I'm all for "The Hockey Song" by Stompin' Tom Connors as a decent substitute.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
10:26 / 26.04.02
"all the night deep in moonshine"

is that a holdover from prohibition days?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:56 / 26.04.02
Re Babe: It's Saint-Saens' Symphony Number 3, "Organ". Was remade as a song by... I keep thinking Boy George, but I could be wrong. If you want it - I think it's the third movement that's got that melody in - then it's pretty plentiful. Sony do a good cheapie.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:21 / 26.04.02
More info; it's recently been covered by Westlife, and apparently is an old gospel tune/lullaby.
 
 
Saveloy
12:46 / 26.04.02
Cool, thanks Rothkoid. I'm sure I remember it as a hymn tune too.

How about the Imperial March from Star Wars? Words: "Dur dur-dur-durr, dur-dur-dur, dur-duh-durrrrrr". Stirring stuff.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:00 / 26.04.02
ZoCher: I think you may be mistaken about the hymn tune used for "God Save the Queen." the hymn tune you cite, Ein' feste burg, is best-known to the Anglophone world as "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" (familiar to American TV viewers as the theme tune to Davey and Goliath). "God Save the King/Queen" is probably adapted from a tune by Jean-Baptiste Lully (b. Giambatista Lulli) Italian composer resident in France in the 16th c. (and also infamous for dying of blood poisoning after stabbing himself in the foot with the cane he used as a conductor's baton—he was beating time with it and, uh, missed the floor...), although an entry at www.cyberhymnal.org claims that Samuel Smith (who wrote "America," which uses the same tune) found the tune in a German songbook called Thesaurus Musicus, published 1744. Hard to say for sure without further research: but 1744 would've been long after "GStK" was sung for Bonnie Prince Charlie (allegedly its first public performance).

Anyway.

I loathe "The Star-Spangled Banner," always have: is this the best we can say about our country, that we kicked ass in the war of 1812?

I've always thought that "America the Beautiful" would be a much better anthem. For my money it's the only "patriotic" song worth a damn—not only because it celebrates landscape over martial prowess, but because (in its later verses) it has one a succinct acknowledgment of the moral burdens of power...

America! America! God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!


...and even expresses humility: it dares to suggest that this country can be improved:

America! America! May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness, and every gain divine!


It's just a beautifully-written lyric. We were singing this a lot in church after September 11th, and there were verses that were hard to get through...

O beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved, and mercy more than life...

O beautiful for patriot dream, that sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam, undimmed by human tears...


Try hitting those notes with a lump in your throat. Fuck, I'm tearing up typing this. That's what an anthem should do: pay tribute to the country not as it is, but as it could be. Should be.

A sidenote: a Google search reveals the original poem had eight verses, not our familiar four, and that this gem did not make the cut...

America! America! God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain the banner of the free!


...which is a shame.

Mad props to the Ray Charles version, too.
 
 
Captain Zoom
14:03 / 26.04.02
moriarty: I quite like the Canadian national anthem, but I'm all for "The Hockey Song" by Stompin' Tom Connors as a decent substitute.

That's the best idea I've heard all day.

Thank god it's only 11 am.

Zoom.

(How about "Canada's Really Big" by The Arrogant Worms?)
 
 
grant
14:06 / 26.04.02
Wasn't Lully instrumental in inventing ballet, too?


Anyway, I can totally concur with everything Fear posted there. I have a skewed perspective from my parents, I think, who have always objected to America's flag-fetishism - anthem to the flag, pledging to the flag, refusing to dip the flag at the Olympics.
And "America, the Beautiful" is not just better in what it's about, it's also better to sing. No freaky-ass high bits about rockets and bombs.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
14:34 / 26.04.02
"Lucky Star" by Madonna is my personal anthem.

Don't laugh.
 
 
moriarty
14:54 / 26.04.02
I loathe "The Star-Spangled Banner," always have: is this the best we can say about our country, that we kicked ass in the war of 1812?

Don't you mean "got our asses kicked?"

Funny, probably untrue, story. According to legend, the reason the flag was still standing, as heard inthe anthem, is because the Canadian forces thought it impolite to leave it lying on the ground. So we propped it back up for ya. Love thy neighbour.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:57 / 26.04.02
Bless.
 
 
moriarty
15:08 / 26.04.02
Having looked into the matter further, it looks doubly unlikely that the above story is untrue.

Still, it makes nice copy.
 
 
moriarty
15:10 / 26.04.02
Oops, double negative. Should be Having looked into the matter further, it looks doubly unlikely that the above story is true.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:20 / 26.04.02
It's not terribly unlikely that it wouldn't not be so, though.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
13:55 / 01.05.02
Thanks Sleazenation - I might well be imputing a wholly inaccurate business ethos to the prostitue[sic] from Casablanca. honi soit qui mal y pense

And thanks for the background on our National Dirge, Mr Fear. Nearly died of boredom at the Edinburgh Festival once, watching some friends perform some interminable Lully so that explains a lot.

Heard Sibelius' Finlandia on radio the other day and realised I'd forgotten it - Finnish National Anthem, no? Excellent!
 
 
Jack Fear
14:45 / 01.05.02
Finlandia, yes. That tune has also been co-opted for several hymns, including "This Is My Song," a sort of anti-anthem—anti-nationalist, or maybe multi-nationalist... words by Lloyd Stone...

This is my song, O God of all the nations,
a song of peace for lands afar and mine.
This is my home, the country where my heart is;
here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
But other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine

My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
and sunlight beams on cloverleaf and pine;
But other lands have sunlight, too, and clover,
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
O hear my song, O God of all the nations,
A song of peace for their land and for mine.


As sung by Dar Williams, the Indigo Girls, Peter Paul & Mary, and more left-leaning folkies than you can fling a Birkenstock at.

We sang that one in church a lot, too, round about the time the bombing started. Seemed the least we could do.
 
  
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