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buddha bomb: a warning?

 
  

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yawn - thing's buddy
12:46 / 23.09.01
America discuss Afghan problem with various Islamic reps in Berlin earlier in the year. Attack on Taliban motioned.

The destruction of the Buddha statue as a warning of non co-operation with the west. An alternative viewpoint on life - 'we don't give a fuck about your values' - a new manifesto - A sign of things to follow.

Taliban's main opposition leader, murdered in suicide bombing attack Sep. 9th. A favour from Bin Laden to his hosts?

- 9/11 -

Taliban prepare for response from America, stronger due to Bin Laden fixing opposition problem.


What I really wanted to say was:

Is the exploding buddha part of this mess?
 
 
000
06:51 / 25.09.01
quote: by YAWN Is the exploding buddha part of this mess?

OH MY GOD! YES! Yes and Yes!

Can you please tell me more, do you have a link were I can read about this?
And thank you so much for asking this question you have no idea.
 
 
Ganesh
06:54 / 25.09.01
Thanks, yawn...
 
 
000
07:07 / 25.09.01
All that we are witnessing is because of the war between religions. We have 4 leading religions. Christianity-Islam-Jewish religion and Buddism. The first 3, are fighting against The 4th brother Buddism.
This is why China has done every thing it could ( with the help of the other religions) to suppress the Tibetan people. That is why the Tibetan women are not allowed to have children, they get sterilized, aborted during pregnancy or the baby is killed right after they give birth. The goal has been to eradicate the Tibetan people.
The women are fined if they get children, they loose their jobs, are thrown in jail and have no rights anymore.

It all has to do with “ an ancient kingdom where the celestial wheel symbolizing the d’harma disappeared.”” Until then the Buddha recommends that people live as islands unto themselves, taking the dharma as their refuge, letting the mind be filled with love, compassion, joy, and equanimity.””
 
 
000
07:09 / 25.09.01
Ganesh Darling one day we will meet!
 
 
Ganesh
07:29 / 25.09.01
You're not my auntie, are you?
 
 
000
08:39 / 25.09.01
Would you like me to be?


[ 25-09-2001: Message edited by: Laila ]
 
 
Ganesh
08:41 / 25.09.01
Dear God, no.

 
 
000
08:41 / 25.09.01
SULK.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:41 / 25.09.01
Ah well - I thought I saw an intereting link between these events.

Maybe not.
 
 
sleazenation
08:41 / 25.09.01
I don't really see itr as a link the Taliban have been increasing the extent to which their Shari (sp) law affects the freedoms of the Afgan people for some time now with edicts against the buying of outside goods, the employment of women, and even edicts to force non-muslims to identify themselves. Really I think the destruction of the Buddhas was more of an act along these lines than part of any organised terrorist action against the world at large.
 
 
Solaris
08:41 / 25.09.01
Yawn, without a doubt you are correct that the two events are connected; 911 can be seen as an escalation of what the Taliban have been doing for years now; descending into a woman-hating west-baiting buddha-exploding bunch of savages. I don't think this idea of a conflict between Christians/Moslems/Jews versus Buddhas is remotely viable. What we see here is a clash of memeplexes; rational, liberal 21st Century values versus illogical, fascist, medieval values. It really is as simple as that; you can forget about the relative nationalities and ethnic/religious backgrounds.

Let's face; it all organised religion is a murderous lie, particularly Islam. It's time the world's morons woke up. The 21st Century was supposed to be about space travel and free love, not pathetic continuing arguments about an abstract concept. All barbelithers should go out of their way to verbally destroy anyone spouting any kind of religious nonsense, no matter what faith; take no bullshit. It's time the liberal intelligentsia started gettin' tough... Let's turn the war on terrorism into a war on irrationality.
 
 
The Damned Yankee
08:41 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Laila:
Ganesh Darling one day we will meet!


I'd take that as a threat, Ganesh.
 
 
The Damned Yankee
08:41 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:
It's time the liberal intelligentsia started gettin' tough... Let's turn the war on terrorism into a war on irrationality.


But from the look of things, the warrior caste of the Christian Right (y'know, the guys calling Bush's shots) have already hijacked the "war on terrorism" (Jesus God, is that what the history books will call it?) and turned it into a schoolyard display of "my God can whup your God". If the US comes out on top, it will be presented as a vindication of Christianity, not rationalism.
 
 
sleazenation
10:06 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:
What we see here is a clash of memeplexes; rational, liberal 21st Century values versus illogical, fascist, medieval values. It really is as simple as that; you can forget about the relative nationalities and ethnic/religious backgrounds.


I think is is a dangerous over simplification that privilges the west as more advanced.

To you organised religion may be a murderous lie, i don't have much positive to say about it either, but its believers have the right to their belief. This is not about converting people to one ideaology but getting them to tollerate the ideaologies of others.

quote:

All barbelithers should go out of their way to verbally destroy anyone spouting any kind of religious nonsense, no matter what faith; take no bullshit. It's time the liberal intelligentsia started gettin' tough... Let's turn the war on terrorism into a war on irrationality.


This statement really makes me uneasy. Ideally this isn't about destroying anyone verbally or otherwise, but more hopefully about learning.

maybe i'm just being too idealistic today
 
 
priya narma
13:01 / 25.09.01
just found this article dated March 12, 2001:

Taliban Demolish Buddhist Statues

 
 
rizla mission
13:07 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:
Let's turn the war on terrorism into a war on irrationality.


hell with that.

I like irrationality.

Piss off and live in a petri dish or some such thing.

(plus, a sub-argument: can you really straightfacedly claim that the way the Western world works is rational?)
 
 
Solaris
13:56 / 25.09.01
Okay, devil's advocate rant almost over and some interesting comebacks. Re: 'dangerous simplification'; that's what happens in war time, hippy. When you can spell 'tolerate', come back and talk about tolerance. People are angry right now. Re: anyone's love of irrationality; go live in the middle ages and dunk witches, why don't you? Science ain't the enemy; petri dishes have saved your life many more times than sigils, buster. That's not to say that sigils aren't groovy.
 
 
000
14:39 / 25.09.01
I'd take that as a threat, Ganesh.
He Yankee, I would say more like a treat.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:45 / 25.09.01
solaris - billion masks or what?

respect.
 
 
Fiction Suit Five
19:54 / 25.09.01
Respect to brother Yawn. By the way, Rizla, the Invisible College was built on principles of enlightenment and rationality (Shelley, the scientist poet, Dr Dee, Aldous Huxley, um... Mr. Fantastic - science has always been the real magic, from the days of psilocybin, witches, and alchemy). Discordian student wank serves no purpose except temporary insightful derangement. What makes me think that you've got stupid facial hair, too many piercings and you're into nu-metal?
Time to drop some mind bombs on prehistoric mind sets. 70 virgins waiting in heaven, my arse. ABC Warriors: spread the word.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
20:10 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:
...all organised religion is a murderous lie...


All organized religion, eh? Including Quakerism? Unitarian Universalism? Sufism?

All overgeneralizations are murderous lies.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:27 / 26.09.01
okay Okay...

Excuse me... everyone, can we all just take a moment to hold hands and Om together?

. . . everyone ready? . . .

oooOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm
 
 
Solaris
09:27 / 26.09.01
"All organized religion, eh? Including Quakerism? Unitarian Universalism? Sufism?"

Yes. Autodestructive memeplexes; a set of beliefs that encourage someone to sacrifice their own lives (self-murder). In the case of religion, these belief systems are based on irrational, unknowable, illogical assumptions which have often been indoctrinated into their carriers. Even 'pacifist' religions tend to have destructive undercurrents ('I am prepared to die for my faith'), without going into self-mutilation, self-denial etc etc as manifestations of a life destroyed. In the 21st century, as we teeter on the edge of a pointless war based on 3,000 years of misguided and primitive thought, it amazes me that in a forum such as Barbelith there are still people ready to defend this kind of thinking. The memes are the killers, and it's a time for meme-bombs, not muddy ill-thought out debate.

Oh, and ooooooooooooooooooooom...
 
 
Solaris
09:27 / 26.09.01
Or maybe poor old God's just being misunderstood. We couldn't really be that stupid, though, could we...?
See:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/god_clarifies_dont_kill.html
 
 
000
09:27 / 26.09.01
Exactly my point. That is why: 'Nineteen hundred years ago Christ replied to this question, that the end of the present age ( the end , that is, of the pagan organization of the world) would come when the calamities of mankind had increased to the utmost, and when the possibility of the Kingdom of God (that is, the possibility of a new system of live free from violence) had been proclaimed throughout the world. (Matt. xxiv. 3-28'

(You can read this whole part, which comes from “The Kingdom of God is Within You” by Tolstoy written in 1893 and banned by many governments around the world, for he addressed the wrong teachings of Christ by the church and the ruling parties, on the tread called ‘Another reaction to Grants essay in the beginning of page 3)

The end, that is of the Pagan organisation of the world. Now who is supposedly called The World Leader? The USA. Now who have they paid all these billions to? Now who do they need to consult for every thing they do? Great Britain.

Look at this link, and then maybe you understand, how the mistranslations of the words of God could have been. http://www.thewatcher.cwc.net/nwot/do2.htm

From the ‘Declaration of Sentiments adopted by the Peace Convention’ sign up in 1838 by the Quakers in Boston. Note that this was set up by William Lloyd Garrison, the famous champion of the emancipation of the negroes in the united sates, without him, things may have looked differently for the African Americans, and slavery may have lasted until 1950s, as it lasted this long for slaves in the Dutch colonies to be freed. Remember, without the Dutch, slavery would not have been possible.

‘We, the undersigned, regard it as due to ourselves, to the cause which we love, to the country in which we live, and to the world, to publish a Declaration expressive of the principles we cherish, the purpose we aim to accomplish, and the measures we shall adopt to carry forward the work of peaceful and universal reformation.

‘We cannot acknowledge alliance to any human government…We recognize but one king and Lawgiver(note lawgiver and not law maker), one Judge and Ruler of mankind…Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interest and rights of American citizens are no more dear to us than those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism to revenge any national insult or injury..’

Further more it reads: The dogma that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained by God, and that the Powers That Be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with His will, is not less absurd than impious. It makes the impartial Author of our existence unequal and tyrannical. It cannot be affirmed that the Powers that be, in any nation, are actuated by the spirit or guided by the example of Christ in the treatment of enemies; therefore they cannot be agreeable to the will of God; and therefore their overthrown by a spiritual regeneration of their subjects is inevitable’

Quakers, not that differently from Buddhism, or the real teachings of God.
 
 
rizla mission
10:19 / 26.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Fiction Suit Five:
Respect to brother Yawn. By the way, Rizla, the Invisible College was built on principles of enlightenment and rationality (Shelley, the scientist poet, Dr Dee, Aldous Huxley, um... Mr. Fantastic - science has always been the real magic, from the days of psilocybin, witches, and alchemy). Discordian student wank serves no purpose except temporary insightful derangement. What makes me think that you've got stupid facial hair, too many piercings and you're into nu-metal?
Time to drop some mind bombs on prehistoric mind sets. 70 virgins waiting in heaven, my arse. ABC Warriors: spread the word.


I'm not even starting on the order Vs. chaos malarky cos I'm not much in the mood for Magick-forum-belonging metaphysics, especially in the context of this already cookoo thread, but I do wish to stress to anxious readers that I don't suffer from any of the afflictions FictionSuit 5 accuses me off, and in the spirit of unproductive and unnecessary falming, I hereby accuse him of wearing horn-rimmed spectacles, sitting in a straightbacked chair and doing the accounts.
 
 
Solaris
11:34 / 26.09.01
Laila; you is one freaky chick.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:41 / 26.09.01
You know, I was going to attempt to take Solaris and Five up on some of their spurious overgeneralising and ill informed tosh, but I wouldn't know where to begin. God (him again!), they make so many assumptions about truth, reason, religion and rationality in their posts....it fair boggles the mind, it does.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:57 / 26.09.01
It was the ‘particularly islam’ bit that lodged in my psyche-pipe, sunhead.

Despite choker, stance is appreciated.

Sidewinder: Wunner how many musselmen really are on the ‘lith?

Also: FBI, CIA: raise your hands.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:15 / 26.09.01
Y'know, I kinda like Laila. Even if s/he's kind of freaky. S/he seems well-intentioned. And might I say, hir english seems to have improved from the early days! Laila and Chrome, they're like the yin and the yang.

But back to the topic at hand. Y'know, when those statues were destroyed I was upset, but I was almost more upset that that story receieved SO much more coverage than the Taliban's terrible treatment of women (and the rest of its citizens). One thing I do think is good about this whole mess is the hilighting of that issue more in the media.

And y'know, they were treating their people like shit long before they blew up those statues. That's what I took as a warning.
 
 
grant
14:04 / 26.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:
[QBYes. Autodestructive memeplexes; a set of beliefs that encourage someone to sacrifice their own lives (self-murder).[/QB]


(Given this is a topic nominally about Buddhism...) Since when is the self so valuable?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:40 / 26.09.01
'The Self is a murderous lie'
- Johnny Dreams
Invisbles(sic)no.3 Book X
 
 
Fiction Suit Five
18:59 / 26.09.01
quote:Originally posted by grant:


(Given this is a topic nominally about Buddhism...) Since when is the self so valuable?


'If you don't respect yourself, ain't nobody gonna give a...'

Hang on to your Ego, Grant.
 
 
Ganesh
19:38 / 26.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Cherry Bomb:
Y'know, I kinda like Laila. Even if s/he's kind of freaky. S/he seems well-intentioned. And might I say, hir english seems to have improved from the early days


And her sense of humour. I know it's probably a mistake, but Laila's growing on me too, bless her unbleached cotton socks...
 
  

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