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Far Right get 20% of the vote in French Presidential Elections

 
  

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m. anthony bro
22:53 / 23.04.02

(Kit-Cat Club)
The French Parliament is not elected proportionally. It (the lower house, I mean) is elected in single member constituencies, using the same run-off system that the Presidency is elected by. The Senate is elected by an electoral college. Their parliament is elected for a five year term, and that expires this June, so more electoral fun fun fun is on the way.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:04 / 24.04.02
Oh, right, my mistake. Thanks for the info.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:38 / 24.04.02
The thing I found kind of ironic was that yesterday's Sun listed various points of Le Pen's policy. All of which, it goes without saying, were evil. BUT most, if not all of which they have, in the last two years, agreed with themselves. (And I'm talking editorial columns, rather than "off-the-wall" columnists.) Obviously you can get away with deciding to stop all immigration/bring back the death penalty/stick up for your own nation or race to the exclusion of all else- it's just wrong when you do them all at once. Apparently.

And if anyone who doesn't have to read this shit at work can be bothered- I'm following the Mail's coverage at this one. Yesterday they were as outraged as the rest of us. Today they're blaming it on liberal policies towards immigrants. I'm running a book on how long it is before they say racism is all the fault of foreigners...
 
 
Cavatina
11:09 / 24.04.02
It may be seisme politique, but it seems sure that Le Pen will not win the presidency. And it does look as though the French Left virtually committed political suicide by fragmenting into radical splinter groups, while Jospin's socialist campaigning was disillusioningly dull, playing into the hands of Le Pen. I read that one Trotskyite campaigner (Oliver Besancenot, an advocate of a workers' revolution who polled 1 million votes) so inspired his supporters that they sprayed tomato sauce in Jospin's face with the cry "Let's go red together."

What's of greater concern in all this is that the Left defeat in France puts paid to hopes of a dominant Franco-German centre-Left alliance in the 'new Europe'. There appears to be a profound crisis in the Left and a growing strength of centre-Right parties and outright Right-wing parties and candidates right across Europe. Look at Aznar in Spain (2 elections won by big margins), Berlusconi in Italy (huge parliamentary majorities) and, only last weekend, the centre-Right victory in Saxony (a long-time leftist stronghold in what used to be East Germany). If such a region can oust the Social Democrats, things don't look good for Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in the coming German elections.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
13:25 / 24.04.02
and blunkett's off again. this has just been posted on the guardian's internet site:

"The home secretary, David Blunkett, was today embroiled in a row over his use of the word "swamped" in the context of immigration and asylum.
Mr Blunkett used the politically sensitive term this morning, as he described local schools as "swamped" by non-English speaking immigrants.

His off-the-cuff remarks were not condoned by Downing Street, who this afternoon clarified his comments as "reflecting a particular context", rather than describing immigration as an issue.

But his comment - ahead of today's debate on the already controversial nationality, asylum and immigration bill - attracted the ire of at least one Labour backbencher.

Diane Abbott said the home secretary's use of the word "swamped" sounded like he was describing raw sewage.

She told BBC Radio 4's The World At One: "I thought that David's use of the word swamping was unfortunate. We are talking about children here, not raw sewage.

"What these schools need is the money, and also the support. But actually the best place for asylum seeker children to be is in mainstream schools. It would be entirely wrong to segregate them."

Mr Blunkett said on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, speaking of educating the children of asylum seekers separately while their applications are processed: "Whilst they're going through the process, the children will be educated on the site, which will be open. People will be able to come and go, but importantly not swamping the local school."

Former prime minister Margaret Thatcher was criticised for using the word swamped in 1978 when she remarked after a riot in Wolverhampton: "People are really rather afraid that this country might be swamped by people of a different culture."

Mr Blair's official spokesman later said Mr Blunkett "was not talking about immigration as a whole".

He said: "What he was doing was reflecting a particular context and a particular issue rather than talking about the overall issue of immigration.

"He was simply talking about what happens at ground level."

Today's bill will set up a pilot phase of asylum seeker accommodation centres, as the first step towards replacing the system of dispersing applicants across the country.

Proposals to deny children of asylum seekers living in the centres the right to attend mainstream schools have already enraged campaign groups.

Mr Blunkett also said a GP's surgery in his constituency had written to him saying they could not cope because a third of their patients required "intensive language interpretation".

"Now that is silly, that's disrupting the community. It causes friction, it is the, if you like, the firelighter for the BNP and others who want to cause mayhem," he said.

"And I want to stop that by providing a fair, rapid but tough system. People are not racist on the whole. There are racists in our country, we must face them down, we must take them on."

There was speculation that some Labour MPs would oppose some aspects of the bill.

The shadow home secretary, Oliver Letwin, said today he would not have used the word "swamping" to describe asylum seekers entering the education system.

"There is a terrible danger here of slipping into language that's emotive," he said.

"I think the most important thing in discussing this extraordinarily important issue is that we discuss it in terms which are sensitive and rational." "

we've voiced disquiet over blunkett's attitude before. you'd think he'd engage brain before mouth. at least for the next week or so.
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:04 / 24.04.02
I will never think of the word 'swamped' in the same way again...

...and remember, France had not just one, but TWO different Trotskyist candidates running! The fact that the far left vote went to 12 different people makes Le Pen seem even more like a fluke.
 
 
Fist Fun
20:45 / 24.04.02
What's of greater concern in all this is that the Left defeat in France puts paid to hopes of a dominant Franco-German centre-Left alliance in the 'new Europe'.

I wonder who will get in as the new premier ministre then. I wouldn't be suprised if it is a centre left candidate...a sort of backlash. What is the story with Jospin anyway, if he has resigned from politics who is the prime minster at the moment?
 
 
Mikaël
04:38 / 26.04.02
Three different Trotskyist candidates
Laguiller 6%
Besancenot 4.4% (he's only 27!)
Gluckstein 0.5%
 
 
Lionheart
17:47 / 27.04.02
Uhm... I don't know if anybody else pointed this out but

LePen only has 17 percent of the vote currently counted. And only 50 percent of the votes have been counted!

That means if 200 people voted, only a 100 votes were counted and LePan, so far, has 17 votes. He might not get any more votes at all.

Any updates on the vote count?
 
 
Tom Coates
08:27 / 28.04.02
I'm just dropping in a note to talk about the mood in London. I was in a pub in Hammersmith yesterday and the loos were (as ever) scrawled with racist graffiti, including a particularly large piece that read, "The Right in France 16% - Britain is next! The BNP" Scared me half to death...
 
 
Baz Auckland
21:52 / 28.04.02
I've seen a number of news articles on the BNP after the LePen shock. Is is just being blown out of proportion, or do these bastards actually have a chance of winning council seats?
 
 
Mikaël
05:55 / 29.04.02
>>Lionheart

You have to add votes for Mégret (former number 2 of FN)
in far right.
2.34 + 16.86 = 19.2% Chirac has 19.55%

Le Pen had 15% in 1995. There's an augmentation but there's an
augmentation in abstention too.
J.M. Le Pen
1995 4 545 493 votes 15.02%
2002 4 805 307 votes 16.86%

And only 50 percent of the votes have
been counted!

Where did you heard that?

2002
Registered : 41 196 339
Abstentions : 11 698 352
Voters : 29 497 987
Invalids : 995 532
Expressed : 28 502 455

28 502 / 41 196 = 70%
 
 
Not Here Still
18:02 / 29.04.02
Originally Posted By Barry Auckland:

do these bastards actually have a chance of winning council seats?

I didn't think so, and I hope the Le Pen result might shake some people out of their complacency and get them out and voting (if they can vote, of course)

But then again, a month ago, did anyone think Le Pen had a chance?

One group who certainly think they have a chance are the BNP themselves.

[these are direct quotes lifted from the BNP website. I've wavered about whether or not to post them. I am not putting a link to the site up, especially as they are crowing about the number of hits it's receiving, but rest assured there's plenty more of this bullshit on there.]

Our target fund has already been exceeded! With eight more days until Polling our canvassers are reporting incidents of unprecedented support from the doorsteps across Britain. Our web site is receiving nearly double the number of hits it normally gets.

The combination of Le Pen's electoral success in the French presidential election last Sunday, the delightful spring weather in most parts of England on this today, St.George's Day, the failure of any establishment politican to answer any or all of the real issues affecting real electors is leading to an amazing degree of optimism in the towns where BNP candidates are standing....

As for a welcome army of liberation, householders are bringing out refreshments for our teams. Folk of Afro-Caribbean origin are giving us friendly waves and exchanging pleasantries with our teams...

When Labour candidates who have no courage to their convictions advise folk to vote Tory, Lib Dem , in fact "anyone to keep out the BNP", we are witnessing the nadir of the democractic idea.


To which all I can say is, oh, FUCK OFF.
 
 
Baz Auckland
20:28 / 29.04.02
Quote: Folk of Afro-Caribbean origin are giving us friendly waves and exchanging pleasantries with our teams...

??????
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:00 / 30.04.02
Yeah, the BNP seem to be doing one of their "respectability" drives right now.
I'm still hoping this shit wakes people up, the way that Beackon getting a council seat woke people up, and made people realise these aren't just "comedy Nazis"- they're actual bastards who must be stopped.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:55 / 30.04.02
George Monbiot on how the BNP is attempting to hijack the green and anti-globalisation movements for its own purposes.
 
 
Lionheart
18:02 / 02.05.02
MiKL: I've heard that only 50% of votes have been counted from the fist post in this thread.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:32 / 05.05.02
Chirac won by a mile, according to the exit polls.

Which means while we tutted at France, they didn't elect facist candidates in the end, but voters in Burnley did...
 
  

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