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Doom patrol

 
 
paw
19:20 / 20.04.02
Tonight I am a very happy young man , managed to purchase morrison's entire run on d.p. hoorah!!
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:49 / 20.04.02
i hate you
but gratz
 
 
paw
20:26 / 20.04.02
but on the upside though it means that i've got some spare issues that i'll probably get rid of. i'll tell youse lot if they go up on e-bay
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
02:37 / 21.04.02
I just started to re-read Grant's DP run the other day. I know that some of you have said that this was your favorite Morrison work, and I was just wondering what makes it so. I like it a lot, but it's very disjointed and pretty weak in some spots. The climactic storyline is superb, as are several others (the Pentagon stories and the Brotherhood of Dada stories spring immediately to mind). Then there's the stories like the Scarlet Harlot one and the beard-hunting guy which have always left me cold. Am I missing something? It's entirely possible that there are things in DP which flew right over my head. Just curious of others' opinions.
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
Steve Block
08:02 / 21.04.02
Stories like the beard hunter are a pstiche/homage to DC's silver age. They're playful and surreal in that poptastic kind of way for the 80's and 90's that silver age stuff was in the sixties. I don't really think there is a weak spot in the run, personally. Like Animal Man it's perfectly formed. I think the key to Morrison's run is the first Brotherhood of Dada run where they romp through different artistic styles. That was what Morrison's run was, on some level, a romp through different comic book styles, from silver age DC right through Watchmen realism to the Liefeld lark of Doom Force. But that's just my thoughts.

Although I am trying to recall the scarlet harlot storyline. But ones I can recall are the Rhea Jones arc, which is basically the in space book that every comic homages, see Robinson's Starman run for his version, I'm not sure which book started the journey into space mythos, I'm thinking GL but I might be wrong, The Flex Mentallo thing is, in my mind, an Alan Moore thing, I mean he even looks like Alan Moore at the start, and the Monsieur mallah issue was pop perfection, probably the single most best story ever written that nicked its title from a Smith's song.

If parts leave you cold, well, there's no accounting for taste. I can't tell you why it leaves you cold, it just does. Did you read it when it came out, or after. I always wonder just how much that monthly wait adds or detracts from the reading of comics?
 
 
Tom Coates
09:39 / 21.04.02
I remember at the time loving Doom Patrol and then becoming increasingly frustrated by it as it went more towards whimsy and self-indulgence. But now I don't see that indulgence any more (except in the case of The Shadowy Mr Evans, who I still don't like). Some of the stories are just terribly funny (beard hunter / brain & mr Mallah), some are plain disturbing and dribbling creepy insanity (doom patrol in space) and the final pentagon arc and of course you get the supremely wonderful just-beyond-superhero-stuff of the first year of issues. I personally think it's a classic now. Not in the way that Animal Man or The Invisibles were classics - but as a kind of disconcerting, hopeful, meandering hymn to being strange...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:52 / 21.04.02
I've only got it post Lodestone, I'm a bit disappointed with the wrap-up to the Flex Mentallo/Pentagon storyline, it seems like less a build-up to the next big storyline and more an 'oh shit how do I get out of this by the end of the comic' move on Morrison's part that he then figures out how to turn into the next big storyline. The second Brotherhood of Dada storyline is great, and Hewlett draws! Wooh!

I don't understand the Rebis on the moon story at all. But that last issue... "I hope they don't find the body."
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:21 / 21.04.02
my fave part of DP, in the beard hunter issue, when the anti-hero is in the bearded mens club walking past portraits and there is one, labled "our founder" and its the allan moore "metaliica" style creepy pic.

I was laughing for about 15 minutes and then had to explain it to my gf and show her both pictures, she still didnt think it was that funny
 
 
Ganesh
12:27 / 21.04.02
The Beard Hunter is probably my favourite single issue of 'Doom Patrol'...
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:34 / 21.04.02
with ganesh, gotta wonder how much innuendo is in there, or if he really means it...
 
 
sleazenation
21:01 / 21.04.02
So, what do people think of the new doom patrol?
 
 
troy
22:28 / 21.04.02
The silver age homage left me totally cold, because, well, it was just like a silver age comic. Frankly, I don't like very many silver age comics. Flex's silver age issue worked waaaay better for me.

And the beard hunter ish was kinda fun, but by no means a highlight of the series for me.

Doom Patrol was never supposed to be one big, cohesive whole, yet, for me, it works as a whole better than "The Invisibles" (which *was* supposed to be a cohesive whole. Okay, a messily cohesive whole, but a whole nonetheless). The ending of Doom Patrol worked perfectly and beautifully. The ending of Invisibles had bits of brilliance, but fell flat for me overall (but then, as I've confessed elsewhere, I don't totally "get" The Invisibles. I get a lot of it, but I'm still missing much of what makes many go "Oooh wow").

New DP doesn't look too interesting; I've just skimmed it once or twice in the shop).
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
02:17 / 22.04.02
FYI-See also:

Doom Patrol
Rachel Pollack's Doom Patrol
Doom Patrol- All new, All different, all crap!
 
 
Captain Zoom
13:05 / 22.04.02
I'm still getting the new DP. The turn the story's taken is intriguing as it seems to be addressing what happened to Cliff after Ms. Pollack's run. The art's kind of cool, and it's really just a super-hero book, but I haven't given it up yet. May be that this is the only direction the book really could have gone from where it was left. Anything weird would just have been seen as trying to copy Grant's run. If it could turn into a well-written super-hero book, a la Authority or New X-Men, then that'd be cool. To be honest, I don't see it lasting more than another few issues.

Zoom.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:34 / 22.04.02
givin ganesh some vote-energy with this statement:

beard hunter rocked.

I always thought it was the clearest example of morrsion's infatuation with moore.

this infatuation is a mighty structure within morrison's meme-plex.

a great big scary hairy structure slap bang in the middle of his mindscape.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
00:06 / 23.04.02
Yawn. 'Splain. You got some 'splainin to do. I want to know why everyone seems to love the most the issue I liked the least. I'm intrigued. Please 'splain.
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
The Natural Way
08:24 / 23.04.02
Probably because it made us laff. It was funny. Beards are funny.
 
 
Big Talk
14:45 / 23.04.02
yawn you obfuscatory bastard.

you're all missing the point. beard hunter is a piss-take on 'the punisher' + other grim + gritty '80s books, as well as on the state of comix in general. the guy is fighting an ultra-serious war on beards. he's a closet poof obsessed with clean shaven muscle men b/c he's can't grow facial hair. he kills smart-ass comix readers who don't respect the collector value of the books.

I'm afraid the alan moore thing is purely tangential.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:58 / 23.04.02
Wow, it's interesting how in many ways my feelings about Doom Patrol are nearly the opposite of Tom Coates'.

I don't like the earlier stories nearly as much as the later ones - I really like the early issue with Cliff in the "underground" of Jane's mind, though. I think DP really kicks in a couple issues after the story with Rhea ends - Shadowy Mr. Evans, the new Brotherhood of Dada, Nile's revelations, onwards through the Candlemaker climax and the finale with Jane in the "real" world. All of that stuff is near and dear to me, I get very sentimental re-reading it all. I was reading all of this stuff when it came out when I was 11-13, and it had a very profound effect on me.

I think that it stomps all over The Invisibles, as much as I like The Invisibles. I think that the only thing that I like more than Doom Patrol in Grant's bibliography is Kill Yr Boyfriend, and New X-Men is pretty damn good by my estimation.
 
 
kid coagulant
15:54 / 23.04.02
'She's got a boyfriend and she doesn't like you.'

I dug the one where Cliff was uploaded into a machine after his
brain had been smashed by the Candlemaker, and he thought
he was human again. 'The fall of the angels coincided w/ the fall of
man from the state of insect grace', or something like that. Near the
end of Morrison's run, forget what it was called...

Sigh, I should probably read through these again, too.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:07 / 01.05.02
If anyone's interested, I'm still reading the new DP comic, and they've just come across Dorothy lying in a hospital bed, and the Cliff Steele who was in the comic faded away when someone revealed that he'd been dead for the last 4 years, and they found his head on a mountain and rebuilt him and it's actually pretty cool. Not as cool as Grant, but cool nonetheless.

Zoom.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:25 / 01.05.02
big talk:

nuthin's tangential.

think a little harder:

Moore 'invents' the notion of the real superhero as a dirty obessed bounty hunting fascist, which spawns billions of copies, which grates with morrison (cos he prefers the paradax/zenith pop route for 'real' superheores - ie. - more fun), so he mixes it all up in the cauldron (of plenty?) to create said Doom patrol issue, which can be understood by both your and my interpretation (with mine being a 'higher' reading of events).

I just patted you on the head.
 
  
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