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Astonishing Stockhausen interpretation

 
 
Mystery Gypt
01:16 / 20.09.01
i am a huge fan of stockhausen, he is an absolute visionary. and i can understand his claim in an abstrace sense. but it is amazing that he said it out loud.

check it

quote:``That minds accomplish in one act something that we in music can't dream of, that people rehearse like mad for 10 years - totally fanatically - for a concert and then die - that's the greatest work of art there is in the entire cosmos,'' he said Sunday.
 
 
rizla mission
08:24 / 20.09.01
It's sad that people are getting censored and made to back down for expressing such relatively un-radical views.

Of course it was a work of art, nobody ever said art had to be nice.

Let's face it, it created a hell of a spectacle, made a clear ideological point and caused pretty much everyone in the world think and alter their views.

(um, not that that justifies it of course..)
 
 
anchovy
11:12 / 20.09.01
Yeah, I got cold shouldered by housemates last Tuesday for marvelling at the terrorists' committment, imagination and resoucefulness.

Art though? It might not have to be "nice" and is often better if it isn't, but what about "life affirming"?
 
 
rizla mission
11:21 / 20.09.01
Well Camus, Orwell, Francis Bacon & Joy Division aren't exactly life-affirming, but they're still great artists..

Oh, and hi to a fellow Welsh member.
 
 
The Knowledge +1
11:25 / 20.09.01
What part?
 
 
Seth
12:29 / 20.09.01
I remember thinking exactly that the day it happened, and instantly self-censoring. Sometimes I'm glad that my life has a three-second pause before transmission, because I don't think many other people would have understood.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone. I thought, "I'd like to accomplish something on that scale."

I certainly wouldn't like to accomplish something in that style…
 
 
netbanshee
17:20 / 20.09.01
...what I'm curious of is if it quantifies the world's view of art in any sense or it show's the lack of apprehensive knowledge of what art can be...I mean didn't Sun Tzu write the Art of War? I don't think there was any miscommunication there...
 
 
agapanthus
17:43 / 20.09.01
This thread sorta feeds into the "Art under Regimes" thread in the Art/Design section Of Barbelith, where Rothkoid posed the question [paraphrased] "Can the arte-facts of Totalitarian regimes (eg. Nazi Germany) be autonomously heralded, praised for their aesthetics without any engagement with the context or original intentionality (eg Rammstein's appropriation of Leni Reifenstahl's Nazi film footage in one of their video clips)?" Style, form, aesthetics vs politics, ethics, history.
Stockhausen is definitely right on an aesthetic level - the second plane entering the WTC is possibly one of the most spectacular moments in 'reality TV/ film'. But he's made the call to close in time to the grieving.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:28 / 02.10.01
Here's a message from Stockhausen himself, from his website:

quote:Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
51515 Kürten
GERMANY


Message from Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen

After returning from Hamburg I find false, defamatory reports in the press.

I am as dismayed as everyone else about the attacks in America.

At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if MICHAEL, EVE and LUCIFER were historical figures of the past and I answered that they exist now, for example Lucifer in New York.

In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love.

After further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal.

I cannot find a fitting name for such a "satanic composition". In my case, it was not and is not my intention to hurt anyone. Since the beginning of the attack onward I have felt solidarity with all of the human beings mourning this atrocity.

Not for one moment have I thought or felt the way my words are now being interpreted in the press.

The journalist in Hamburg completely ripped my statements out of a context, which he had not recorded in its entirety, to use it as a vile attack against my person and the Hamburg Music Festival.

This whole situation is regrettable and I am deeply sorry if my remarks were misconstrued to offend the grieving families of the brutal terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington D.C. I will continue to keep the victims of this outrage in my prayers

Karlheinz Stockhausen
September 19, 2001
There's a report on it here and news of an NDR journalist clearing Stockhausen of having made terrorist-sympathetic statements here.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
14:28 / 02.10.01
seeing as this thread seems to feed into both the art and the music forums, as well as discussing theory, i nominate it for one of expressionless' nomadic threads.....
 
  
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