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Jackie Susann
12:53 / 14.04.02
I'm not sure if soft sf is really what I mean, but bear with me.

I recently read Flowers For Algernon, by Daniel Keyes, and really enjoyed it. It's a story from the late 50s about an experiment that gives a mentally retarded man rapidly increasing intelligence; no Lawnmower Man-style idiotics, just a well-told story about his attempts to interact with people and such.

So I was wondering about other SF that is oriented towards character, rather than technology and action. Recommendations, please?
 
 
Trijhaos
13:09 / 14.04.02
I'm not sure if its exactly what you're looking for, but I think Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card is pretty character-driven. Yes, there is a bit of action with the simulated combat and there's a technological element. The story focuses on Ender and what he has to go through to be accepted by his "classmates". I really liked this book. It didn't focus on spiffy spaceships and their "inertial transwarp super-hyper transgalactic" drives and how they worked. There are sequels, but I've only read Ender's Shadow which is basically Ender's Game told from another point of view.
 
 
that
13:10 / 14.04.02
Orson Scott Card's Ender saga - particularly 'Ender's Game', 'Speaker For The Dead' and 'Xenocide', but the saga ends with 'Children of the Mind'. Very character orientated - very anthropological, too. Some of my favourite books ever.

Stuff by Iain M. Banks - 'Use of Weapons', 'Player of Games' and 'Excession' are my personal favourites - his droids and ships are often better drawn than his meat people, but I think his stuff certainly fits the bill...
 
 
that
13:11 / 14.04.02
Damn - Trijhaos got there before me with Ender... sorry...
 
 
Trijhaos
13:17 / 14.04.02
Two people recommending the Ender saga just gives it more clout doesn't it?

It may be a bit too action-oriented, but the Mageworlds trilogy by Debra Doyle and James MacDonald is also fairly character driven. Everybody in the books actually has a reason for what they're doing. They're not commiting murder and blowing up planets because they have an evil laugh and wear black; they feel they are justified in what they're doing.

Its hard to think of character driven SF, since most of it deals with spiffy spaceships and technology. I don't read very much SF. If only someone would ask about character driven fantasy.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:01 / 14.04.02
Bester's two books 'Tiger Tiger' and (more especially) 'The Demolished Man' are pretty character driven.
 
 
The Monkey
14:09 / 14.04.02
You'd probably enjoy Neal Stephenson, and particularly "Cryptonomicon" and "The Diamond Age." While there is certainly tech description in both books, it's not your standard "big shiny gun" deal, and the characters are really the focus of attention.
 
 
The Strobe
15:37 / 14.04.02
Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man.

It's all about telepathy and language, and is basically a great crime drama in an SF background. A bit like Minority Report - in a world where telepathy is increasingly common and "peeper" police officers can read minds... one guy tries to get away with murder. He almost gets away with it, and goes on the run... the ending, the Demolition sequence... is remarkable.

It's superb. You have to read it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:24 / 14.04.02
While these are all fine books in their own right, they're not really 'character-driven' in the same way that 'Flowers For Algernon' is. Most SF is so categorised because it springs from an original technological idea, and the characters get built around that.

Bester's two masterpieces are fantastic, but, again, characterisation is secondary to something else, in these cases the author's toying with the possibilities of the typed novel format.

Rather than 'Ender's Game', I'd suggest trying the sequel, 'Speaker For The Dead'. 'Ender's Game' was, apparently, primamrily written to provide some backstory for the later novels and as a simple introduction to the universe the series is set in. Hence, presumably, the way that it doesn't really fit into the remaining Ender sequence in terms of atmosphere or subject matter. Speaker is the strongest of the bunch and is entirely driven by the lives and beliefs of the characters within. Like '..Algernon', you feel for the individuals involved, you travel through their lives with them. Characterisation is strong throughout and each indivual's personality is both complex and utterly believable.

Theodore Sturgeon's 'More Than Human' should definitely be on your list. Five children, each with extra-sensory abilities, form a group of runaways. The story is based on a scientific premise (which I'm not going to give away here), but that premise is inseperable from the personalities and actions of the main characters. In other words, you just know that Sturgeon had a eureka! moment and decided that his next novel would have to be centred on that one idea, but, through luck or good judgement, the personalities that he wrote into each of the children was strong enough to wrestle the novel back, to makle it something more than 'just' another funny little SF story.

Philip K. Dick's Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said also fits in here, I think. As with 'Flowers For Algernon', we follow one person through the vast majority of the story, watching him as his world changes around him and his personality changes with it. There's an absolutely fantastic bit where the reader suddenly realises that the main character, Jason Taverner, has gone from the extremes of arseholery to being a pretty decent guy. His personality changes so naturally and gradually that you don't see it going on until it's already happened. Virtually all of Dick's books could be called character-driven, but this one is something different. It's got more in common with the 'Valis' trilogy than the majority of his work, in that the SF bits are all just there in the background.
 
 
Trijhaos
18:00 / 14.04.02
What about "Clans Of The Alphane Moon" by Dick? It seems to be fairly character driven so far.
 
 
sleazenation
18:59 / 14.04.02
As much as i love phil k dick, I don't think his work, which is primarily driven by ideas serviced by characters rather than vice versa, is quite what crunchy is looking for here.

I would say that for some of its inguistic gams in portrayl of a textual telepathy the demoished man is it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:56 / 14.04.02
See, I disagree about 'The Demolished Man'. The whole reason for the book seems to be that Bester had a funky idea about trying to put telepathic communication into printed form. The characters are appealing and yes, they lead the story, but there's always the feeling that the whole novel hinges on that one innovation. That said, the ending is superb.

The plot to 'Tyger, Tyger' is led by the characters to a far greater degree than 'Demolished Man', but it's dated terribly (especially the way in which the rape is completely ignored by the victim later on in the book).

Point taken re: Dick, but I still think that the metamorphosis of Taverner in 'Flow, My Tears...' warrants its inclusion here.
 
 
pantone 292
21:30 / 14.04.02
the jesuits in space series - i mentioned them in the what are you reading? thread otherwise known as 'The Sparrow' and 'Children of God' by Mary Doria Russell...
 
 
grant
18:23 / 15.04.02
Dan Simmons Hyperion is great on all levels.
It's sort of like Canterbury Tales, with different sections of the book being tales told by "pilgrims" on this ship flying to see The Shrike, an entity not understood by science, that may be the angel of death, or may be an intelligent time machine. They're all fucked in various ways.
They're all real characters, and the stories stem from the people rather than the situations. The Soldier's Tale, for one, is beautiful. And the Priest's Tale - missionary gets infected with a "cruciform" parasite and cannot die, but each time it regenerates him, it *simplifies* him, internally and externally. The human body (and character) as sea glass, eroding to smoothness over millennia.

The sequel/second half (they were written together, but proved to large to publish in one volume) turns one of the pilgrims into a main character - after they meet the Shrike.

It's just good writing.
 
 
Fist Fun
20:40 / 15.04.02
What about Lanark by Alasdair Gray. Two novels, one SF one straight, combined into one with special FX. If you haven't read it you should - just beware of the fucked up political opinions pops in with now and then.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
09:46 / 16.04.02
not a prose novel, but a graphic one, so i know it should be in "comics" (think there is a thread about it somewhere), but carla speed mcneil describes her story 'finder' as soft sci-fi. you might want to check it out.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:20 / 17.04.02
See, I disagree with Randy about 'Demolished Man'. The 'telepathic communication in printed form' is only a small part of the book, one page of one chapter IIRC, when a group of teeps get together for a party. Much more important is the mind of the murderer and what drives him to his act (and even if you spot the error made at the start it's still fascinating to watch this cold-blooded progression to the book. The climax of the story is one of the most brilliant bits of writing I'd read in a long while. It's Asimov with soul) and the things that drive the policeman to pursue him, with his being torn between duty and desire.

'Tyger Tyger' is similar but with less emphasis on character.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:44 / 17.04.02
card, who wrote the ender books, also had a collection of short stories whose name i cant recall, about mormons in the quasi distant post apocolyptic future, good stuff suprisingly
 
 
Trijhaos
16:47 / 17.04.02
You would be thinking about The Folk of the Fringe.
 
 
gridley
17:30 / 17.04.02
virtually anything by samuel delaney.

and on the subject of PDK, I think Transmigration of Timothy Archer would do nicely...
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:21 / 18.04.02
i've tried reading delany's sf stuff, since i like his other writing, but it all seems very oriented towards tech stuff and fancy writing, relatively little characterisation. in some of his nonfiction stuff he argues that sf shouldn't be about character, because that's 'literary' territory (i'm probably bastardising his argument pretty badly here).

anyway, thanks for the recommendations - will try the secondhand shop this arvo.
 
 
Trijhaos
00:22 / 18.04.02
I'm not sure if its exactly SF...but what about The Giver by Lois Lowry?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:50 / 26.04.02
It's a while since I read the Bester novels, so I'll concede that I'm very probably wrong. The style of specific passages from them is what sticks out in my memory the most.

Frederick Pohl's Man Plus has a similar theme to Flowers For Algernon, in that it's main character is a guy undergoing a form of modification (physical, in this case) in the interests of members of the scientific community. He's required to be able to function on the surface of Mars in the long-term, and the book follows him as he undergoes the transformation of his body and, ultimately, his mind (not to mention his relationships). It's well written and affecting, although Pohl blows it all at the end by falling back on the trad SF twist-ending.
 
 
grant
18:30 / 29.04.02
E. Randy: how would this story overlay with some of the ideas in this thread over in the Lab? Transhumanism & so on.

Come to think of it, how much "character-driven SF" is trans-human? I can't think of any that *isn't* in some way... including peripheral things like "R is for Rocket," or "The Martian Chronicles."
 
 
Spatula Clarke
08:46 / 30.04.02
Good question. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any either.

The book's disappointing in that it doesn't really explore anything other than the responses of the individual undergoing modification and those close to him. The implications for the species are only taken as far as "Woohoo! We can live on Mars!" It's strange that this opportunity's missed, as the catalyst for the creation of the transhuman is an impending, unavoidable species-wide disaster, so you'd imagine that it would be the natural thing to explore the reactions of society as a whole.

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but can anyone recommend any SF that does explore the implications of transhumanism on a larger scale?
 
 
grant
15:44 / 30.04.02
Greg Bear's "Blood Music" certainly does, but a bit too much all at once. Nanotech makes the hero's cells intelligent, sort of. It's a good read, very odd ending - and very, very post-human.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:56 / 30.04.02
Its not on a large scale, but I remember reading a sci-fi novel about this guy who was modified using nanotechnology. His father had his eyes ripped out and replaced with cybernetics. Some other modifications were made and when the novel begins the guy has like five different personalities due to all this "work" that has been done on him. I can't remember the name of the author or the book, so now that I think about it this is no help at all.
 
 
kid coagulant
17:31 / 30.04.02
I'd say all of Jonathan Lethem's work is worth reading, 'As She Climbed Across the Table' and 'Girl in Landscape' in particular. Same goes for Haruki Murakami. 'Wind-up Bird Chronicle' and 'Hard-boiled WOnderland and the End of the World' are standouts, but it's all good. Denis Johnson wrote a weird languid little postapocalyptic book called 'fiskadoro'. And Samuel Delaney's 'dhalgren' is pretty much all character and no story. David Foster Wallace's 'Infinite Jest' would be worth a look as well. Peter Milligan's done some interesting things w/ 'Shade, the Changing Man', and along w/ Mike Allred is in the process of achieving greatness w/ 'x-force'. Those are comic books, yes, but I'd consider them character-driven SF.

Except for the comics, not sure about the 'transhumanity' of these books, but I guess it could be argued that we're pretty much transhuman already, that it's all a process, or something.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:05 / 30.04.02
Joan D. Vinge's Psion and Catspaw come to mind on both character-driven stories and transhumanism.

Humanity became a starfaring race, and encountered a race of pacifistic psions called the Hydrans. The Hydrans' empathic senses made it pretty much impossible to kill--so naturally, the humans wiped them out. But the two species could interbreed, and so psionic abilities started showing up in some humans, who are persecuted.

Both books deal with the difficulties of being a hated telepath; however, one transhuman detail that I especially loved from Catspaw was a group of cyberenhanced musicians. Whereas most people would augment various logical portions of the brain, to have better recall and calculation and so forth, the musicians had their right-brain functions enhanced, so as to be better able to improvise on the fly, to deal with more complex harmonies and rhythms, and so forth.

It wasn't a main focus, but I loved the idea.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:09 / 30.04.02
To make myself clear, the Hydran bit is mostly backstory. It's not a space opera of wiping out the Hydrans; the story focuses on a single telepath, and his attempts to fit into a society which fears and/or seeks to use his kind.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:14 / 31.08.02
Going back to the original question, I've just remembered a novel from a couple of years ago, Michel Faber's Under the Skin. A book that's extremely difficult to talk about without completely spoiling it for anyone who's not read it, it's similar to ...Algernon in that it centres around one character and follows her through changes brought on by a scientific process. She's effectively an experiment, a test subject. It's kind of looking at traditional SF in a mirror (which won't make any sense until you read it).

For those who don't mind MASSIVE SPOILERS there's a review here and the first, largely unrepresentative chapter here
 
  
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