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Though I notice that I'm still here...
Here is a little sampler of the document that will be complete by the end of tweekend, and if I'm still around then I'll put the little baby up (it's very rough around the edges though):
THE MANIFESTO
It should be huge and raw and glamorous and stylish and frivolous and funny as allfuck.
I'm all for promoting the site and making it more user-friendly. And maybe more of a revolutionary thing. A trend-setting site if you like.
How do we encourage discussion in the non-conversation forums?
How do we weed out completely pointless member posts?
How do we make the site more stimulating for the regular and long-term posters, and also easier to dip into and out of for new-timers and lurkers?
THE BARBELITH TEN COMMANDMENTS
If you are easily offended don’t bother coming in to look around. (Anyone who gets too upset by a bit of verbal push and shove on an internet discussion forum needs to grow a slightly thicker skin anyway….)
A new poster has the same weight on the board as someone who everyone knows, trusts, and is considered as someone who consistently contributes good stuff to the discussions.
We need eight more! Help me out here.
THE SHAPE, SIZE, LOOK AND FEEL OF THINGS
How about another background colour scheme that’s easier on the eyes and can be selected/changed in the member profile?
There is a change in size of the private messages box between the front page and the forum pages – you could have one uniform size, going for the Smaller of the two to perhaps provide extra room – though I do like the big PM box.
Maybe we could clarify the whole ownership of images on the web thing. Not outlaw it, but clarify where we stand. Stick it in the FAQ’s in a reply to a question.
LOOKING ‘OUTSIDE’ THE BOARD
Break off The Bomb and the fanzine as it is- No more Invisibles as genesis- Move away from the placenta
Front page sigil and Amazon link and advert space?
I think we need to reevaluate the relevance of the collective – as regards how the section interacts with the rest of the board. To be honest, I've not really examined the collective that often, as it just seems to be a webdiary written by people whom I don’t really know talking about stuff that doesn’t really interest me. Also, at least half of them are extremely rarely updated. This makes this part of the site look a bit crap. A lot of these posters visit Barbelith a lot less than they used to, so one answer would be to invite a member…Rages’ blog entry…. Special blog entries can also be requested for earth shattering/important diary contributions
How about this: We introduce a method of topic rating - a thumbs up/thumbs down thing as mentioned earlier, but for topics, not posts, and we have a page that contains links to the most highly-rated topics, under their forum headings, much like the old boards 'todays active topics' page. Then, we make this part of the page the front page that anyone coming to Barbelith is presented with, replacing the completely pointless ‘fanzine.’
I'm also very fond of the idea of a "Classic Barbelith" area, made of closed threads that where there is a consensus opinion that they were great or important or definitive threads worthy of notice, and represent the community at its best (and worst!) I think this would serve to honestly show our greatest and lowest points rather well.
Nanotechnology in a nutshell.
How to be a happy homosexual (the truth)
Sexual banality and the democratisation of fucking
Censorship good - free speech bad.
I was a teenage shaman!
In defense of depression
Magick, language and poststructuralist philosophy.
Superheroes as totalitarian icons.
Fuck me big brother!
Is the feminine role in society being lost?
A sceptical look at Magick
The cult of Star Trek: What makes a series a ‘cult’ series?
Quantum Phsyics in a nutshell
A beginners guide to Ontological Terrorism
What makes a man: Masculinity in the 21st century
Do animals have rights?
Is the MeMeplex viable?
BOARD FUNDS!
Board usage:
http://www.barbelith.com/WWW_REPORTS/www.html
Any overspill of donations goes towards what Tom wants next to improve the board.
Amazon
Help support Barbelith by purchasing items from Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk via the links below – basically, the board fund gets 5% of the cost of everything you buy! So spend $100 on Buffy the vampire slayer box sets and we make $5!
Hey! How about a button that embeds a Barbe-amazon link into posts, for suggested books, films, Buffy box-sets, etc?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/browse/-/welcome/468294/202-1542275-9915000
WHICH ONE???????
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/home.html/104-6659165-9955947
Donations
Paypal is the largest and most trusted transaction manager on the net at the moment. VERY good quality and very reliable. BUT Paypal only accept Visa or MasterCard, so we need alternatives.
https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=donations%40barbelith.com&item_name=Barbelith+Maintenance+Donations&item_number=00000002
https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=donations%40barbelith.com&item_name=Barbelith+Server+Fund&no_shipping=1&no_note=1&a3=2.50&p3=1&t3=M&src=1&sra=1 $2.50
https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=donations%40barbelith.com&item_name=Barbelith+Server+Fund&no_shipping=1&no_note=1&a3=5.00&p3=1&t3=M&src=1&sra=1 $5
The four-digit transaction code on your statement acts as a verification number - they charge you for the initial $1 to test your card, that amount is billed to your credit card as PAYPAL #### (with the #### being the authentication number).
NOTE: With the initial charge that Paypal levied on international donators now extinct, do they still require an authentication code before you can fully sign up? Basically what used to happen is that they would arrange for you to have TWO DIFFERENT four digit numbers put on your credit card statement, to ensure security when you first signed up. Is this still the case? If yes, then let’s clarify which number is the authentication code for our future donators – maybe a quick line in the ‘thank you for supporting Barbelith’ auto-response emails.
You can donate via a Switch or Solo card (DELTA?) using this site here: http://www.nochex.com/ - make your donations out to tom@plasticbag.org. Also be aware that this donation service does not facilitate monthly contributions, but only one-off payments. LINK TO THIS TOO!
Let’s setup a P.O box for checks, money/postal orders, etc – one member has already vouched that they’ll contribute $130 if we did this! (You know who you are - Mr. Duncan Disorderly!)
Barbelith official merchandise
Mugs and T-shirts and other merchandise!
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/index.aspx
Rehab is for quitters!
I wish my girlfriend was as dirty as this van!
I fucked that chick from Hanson!
BOARD FUNCTIONALITY
Put ‘em on ignore!
After ignoring someone, how about an option to return to the thread you’ve just come from which will at the same time refresh the thread you’ve just come from, as the only other way is to go to the members profile, iggy them, the click back and then ignore. It’s just a little thing, the little, little things in life…
You should be told who’s ignoring you – Maybe a list of people on ignore beneath the posters name?
On the subject of ignoring. Should you choose to ignore someone their posts are still visible when you reply to a thread in the five post round-up.
Lightbulbs
Yellow for new posts, green for none. In forums too?
Thread lengths
Does a thread running to 8+ pages cause problems? If yes, then why not have the thread automatically lock itself after the final post on page 8, in which case the board software posts a last message in the locked thread – a link - telling you that the thread is locked and will be continued in a new thread (i.e. *THREAD NAME* pt 2) and have the continuation thread create itself starting with the last post from the previous thread?
Banning members
After five ‘deleted’ posts, the suit in question gets a written warning, Four more ‘banned’ posts and the suit will be sent a second written warning which basically reads something like:
"You have done this before, and this is your second warning. If we have to warn you again we will shoot you out of a cannon."
And three more banned posts will see the suit banned for a week. A forth time, after two more ‘deleted’ posts will see said member banned for a month, and a further ban after receiving one more ‘deleted’ message will see the members suit being ritually sacrificed at a board lynching, which everyone gets to attend! Such fun!
BOARD PREMIERE
A complete restart!!!
FORUM FUNCTIONALITY
Forum headings
News forum – current affairs – NOT CALLED SWITCHBOARD!
Laboratory forum in creation? Or leave as a science forum.
Art and Design moved into creation?
Forum definitions:
I tend to think of the Switchboard as being a current affairs place with Head Shop being a thinking place
Theory Vs practice, philosophy Vs politics etc.
Come again?
Here’s an idea for making the Magick and Headshop forums more accessible – include the ability for posters to include footnotes in their posts. They can then stick in a dictionary definition, links to useful and informative web pages regarding the subject/post in question, or merely their own elaboration on their idea/comment in easier-to-understand terms. This would be very handy for people who need further teaching, although I think you’d need to include the footnote after the paragraph in question, not at the bottom of the post, at least if the post went past a certain length. It would be a pain having to scroll down a long post to read an elaboration and then back up the post to continue reading it.
A way that posters can request footnotes or – Moderated?
Permanent threads
So we might see a ‘nanotechnology 'section' in the Laboratory, a 'queer theory' section in the Head Shop, a ‘Grant Morrison 'section' in comic books and maybe even a ‘lists’ section in Music.
A few fat threads are better than lots of skinny threads. It saves time finding things, because there are fewer places to look, and when you're going through the thread, you might suddenly find two pieces of information that you didn't think had much to do with each other that now you see have everything to do with each other. Or, in other words, ideas cross-pollinate better when they're kept closer together.
There are a lot of very well read bastards on this board - occasionally they can mistake disagreement for ignorance. i.e. 'you hold a differing opinion? Why, you obviously haven't read...’
“Some of the comments in this and a couple of the other threads on the board, seem to be suggesting to me that unless you conform to some kind of conveniently undefined barbelithian mode of thought you will get slapped down.”
Reidcourchie
“The posters who are most vocal may be thought of to represent the whole of Barbelith and its opinions.
People who disagree with the most vocal posters may feel that they don't belong here or that their views are not welcome.”
Ellis
The gathering
How about some informal rules for the organisation of meets? Specifically in the gathering forum, and so to avoid the awkward situations that have arisen in the past?
THREAD FUNCTIONALITY
Thread abstracts
Should be short and sweet! We need a thirty-word limit or something like that.
Closing threads
Threads should not be closed for further posting without agreement from the topic starter? They should either be edited if their bad or deleted outright. Locking a thread just ignores the problems.
Prefix requests
Simply a communication between moderators, regarding the prefixing of a thread. (i.e. Adding ‘UPDATE’ to the title, if it is the same as an earlier thread)
Moving a thread to another forum
The moving threads policy as I understand it is the same as the moderation policy: Three yays to put in affect, one nay to permanently disable.
Editing posts
Double-post deletion option / Edit option – which means you can read your post and make alterations within three-five minutes of making a double-post, or correct simple spelling mistakes in your post – or the amount of time you have to post depends on the size of the post.
SEARCH ME!
What is the possibility of more search topics than just Topic Titles? And how about having these topics available in a little pull-down menu to the right of our current search box?
I don’t think the search function is currently working anyhow – I recently searched for a well-visited thread and was given the following message: “Showing results 1 through 0 of 0” which doesn’t make much sense, and didn’t refer to a search result as there were no search results displayed!
PMS
‘Delete all messages’ option
When replying to emails – any chance we can prevent the previous message text from showing up in the reply box? It’s a hindrance and just causes clutter IMHO. Also, after replying to a PM on the original board the PM would disappear from the ‘your private messages’ box – this was pretty cool and reduced clutter – any chance of its return?
Fictionsuits
Do user names change throughout the board when you change them in your profile? Regardless we need some way to always recognise who members are whatever their current username – perhaps their original user name when they first registered could be saved in the member lists?
IF YOU MODERATE THIS, THEN YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT…(will be next, will be next)…..
“Everyone should have small moderation powers that cumulatively define the shape of the site - I'm talking about more DISTRIBUTED powers,” Tom
A thumbs up/thumbs down picture – you can hit it or not – 30 thumbs down the post is automatically deleted – or ‘black-listed in an ignore block way’ - thumbs up dictates who is asked next for a daily diary
Now in reference to this one vote for not deleting a post = no deletion of said post full stop! option which the moderators are going to have, is this confined only to the moderators of the forum of the post in question? And what’s the time limit we’re dealing with here? If two moderators came along and said ‘yes, delete this post,’ then would it get deleted before any other moderators have had a chance to read it – ‘cause this might be a bit unfair if it were the case.
Barbelith Historian and Barbelith Treasurer
The Crappiad!
http://wonderkid.4t.com/nexus.html contains an archive of old nexus threads
Does anyone have any of the old nexus threads, or the important threads, or anything else saved on their hard-drives or old computers? Tell us! It would be great to get this history thing going!
THINGS I MISS FROM BACK IN THE DAY:
Link / Image / Bold / Underline / Italic buttons. The Quote and other buttons I never used so much so I don’t really mind them not being here, but please bring back these other buttons! They were cool!.
The thread page links accessibility from the thread listings page
ODDS ‘N’ SODS!
How about a printer friendly version of any given page?
The pixcels around the lightbulb graphic for the magick forum.
Forum definitions edit.
Registration process and Terms and Conditions edit
Profile text edit
FAQS!
WHAT IS BARBELITH?
“A place where invisible mimes go to scream”
"They claim to be anarchists but they just sit around talking about comics and shit"
“The only Bulletin Board worth getting fired for”
“Information is their religion”
"Comic books, magic spells, movies, radical politics, random socializing, logic-defying phenomena, comparative theology, literature, graphic design, deviant sexuality, pop music and indefinable counter-culture freakery all discussed in a 100% guaranteed hip, trendy, sophisticated, open minded and non-threatening environment. Who could resist?"
“The finest subcultural debate and discussion on the net”
“They threatened to glass my cat. I don’t go there anymore”
Grant Morrison
WHO’S THE DADDY?
Tom is the daddy. He runs the board and if you piss him off he will kill your suit. He is merciless and cruel of thought.
Look out for his Bitches too: Grant, Flyboy, Haus, Ganesh, Rothkoid, Ierne, Rizla,and Flux. They post here the most.
WHAT CAN WE DISCUSS HERE?
“Barbelith is a place where people can discuss any opinion they want. However there is a difference between speech and noise - and anything that is designed to interfere with the ability of other people to express their opinions - whether that be huge amounts of noise or abusive and/or intimidating posts - is essentially unwelcome. If someone is only (or to a large extent) known for noise or abuse or if it gets to a scale where it becomes fundamentally unbearable or incredibly irritating to people's use of the site, then they will be asked to leave. And if they do not leave willingly, then I will send links of the pages that they have been abusive on to any people that might be able to stop it - i.e. the persons Internet Service Provider, their place of work, or their webmail providers.”
Tom
See what I mean?
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE ‘NOISE?’
Different strokes for different folks baby.
What one person calls thread rot, another person will view as a sanity break of sorts; a brief detour into the trivial to remind us all that this is not a hostile environment; that the topic at hand is not so intractably serious that dissenters will be eaten alive - banter is a benchmark of civilisation, after all!
It’s all-very objective!?!
SITE SPEAK
LOL
IRL
IMHO
IMO
WHERE SHOULD I POST MY SHIT?
Don’t post it in the conversation unless it absolutely won’t squeeze in anywhere else! If it's about philosophy, theory, politics, ethics or that sort of abstract shit, it probably belongs in the head Shop. Putting it in the Head Shop will minimise the amount of static generated by people needing to share information about their. Boy. Friend, what they did last night, why they are single, utterly inconsequential anecdotes from their childhood and so on.
If it is about the immediate practice of politics, news stories, current events, etc – put it in the Switchboard.
If it is about books, comics, music or films, or indeed theatre, art or TV, there is an area especially for this.
Meetings and their organisation belong in the Gathering.
Creation, be it writing, artistic design, or other ways of constructing works of art belong in the Creation, along with questions/comments about creative theory and practice.
Comments on the running of and the mechanics of participation in Barbelith go in Policy and Help, as should threads asking for help, whether it be help on the board or help in real life because your girlfriend has run off with your stepfather.
If none of the above, consider the Conversation.
DO YOU HAVE TO BE ‘INTELLIGENT’ TO POST HERE?
Define intelligence.
“A lot of this depends on whether one's aim is to argue by constructively engaging with ones 'opponent' or to demolish them, verbally. Are compromise and consensus advantageous or destructive to arguments? Does one actually want to find common ground, or merely look good by destroying ones 'opponent' in an entertaining manner?”
Ganesh
“It's useful (in the initial stages of an argument, anyway) to at least try to spare the other person's feelings; pull the argument apart by all means, but try to do so in a way that doesn't completely destroy them. That's if you're interested in actually getting though to them, as opposed to amusingly 'grandstanding'.”
Ganesh
DO YOU NEED TO JUSTIFY WHAT YOU POST?
Well, emotional posts are acceptable, if you passionately believe in what you’re saying.
But if you can't stand to have your views criticised/ridiculed then don't post them
WHAT IS THE POINT OF A ‘FICTION SUIT?’
“Fiction suits allow you to explore through thoughts and feelings that you might shy away from In Real Life. They can allow you the chance to work through internal conflicts and contradictions without concealing them, but remember: a fiction suit isn't designed to help you AVOID responsibility. It’s there to help you see the world through the persona of a different set of eyes – and to take on the inherent responsibilities of that different persona! As far as most of us here are concerned, there is no difference between 'real' and 'fictional' suits - ALL are fiction suits - ALL are a way of appearing on this board, and other posters will attempt to find consistency in whatever persona you provide. It is missing the point to operate with one suit that represents YOU and a couple of 'novelty' suits. The point is that you have the opportunity to represent an aspect of yourself that is no less real than your everyday one - be it more aggressive, more right-wing etc. It's designed to let you say what they REALLY THINK about the debates of the day without being worried about how that will reflect upon you In Real Life. Eventually, you might find that the aspects of your on-line persona that you feel most comfortable with will slowly seep into your real life personality!”
Tom
“I'm interested in exploring the idea that all modes of rhetoric are basically violent. I didn't want to explore it theoretically, so I put the idea in practice by trying to respond at all times with as much hostility as possible. There were a number of problems with that approach; mostly, I just couldn't sustain the hostility and kept posting things that were kind of, well, nice. I'm really, really sorry to anyone who was offended by anything I said, but I still think it had value as an experiment, at least for me personally. I was more or less satisfied that the rhetoric of "reason" used against me was no less exclusionary than my "irrational hostility" was supposed to be. Or to put it another way, as fond as I am of all of you, we're all complete pricks when it comes down to it”
Dead Crunchy Pirate
Or if you just want to post as yourself then that’s fine too.
WHAT DO MODERATORS DO?
Go read this article in the FAQ: Sadism, Masochism, and the poster/moderator relationship.
WHERE IS THAT ARTICLE YOU JUST MENTIONED? I CAN’T FIND IT!
It was joking dumbass!
YOU’RE NOT VERY FUNNY ARE YOU?
Yeah? Well fuck you! What was that? Oh, fuck me…
DO PEOPLE ON THE BOARD HAVE MORE THAN ONE SUIT?
Some do, yes. Schizophrenia is a terrible thing.
WHAT SHOULD I POST?
Statements of belief, and your thoughts on the viability of various proposals and/or practices in the various threads which you’ll find laying about the board.
HOW DO YOU KEEP THE BOARD RUNNING?
Members donate money to us.
WHAT IF I WANT TO HELP OUT, BUT I DON’T HAVE A VISA OR MASTERCARD?
HOW CAN I TELL PAYPAL THAT I AM NOT FUCKING AMERICAN?
You just have to go to the register page and at the top you'll see a link saying "switch to International Account Registration". Click on that and the process will start...
DO I HAVE TO WAIT A SODDING MONTH FOR MY STATEMENT TO FINISH THE DONATION PROCESS?
You don't actually have to wait to get that number - if you used a debit card you can pop into your bank and check your recent transactions, and if it's a credit card, you can ring up and check it. Doesn't take long at all... You can get your account up and running by popping into your bank just three days after setting up the account
WHAT IS THIS INITIAL CHARGE ALL ABOUT?
HOW MUCH OF THE $2.50 A MONTH DO YOU ACTUALLY GET?
IS THE CHARGE ONLY FOR NON-AMERICANS? WHY?
Yes. The charge offsets the cost of the currency conversion.
WHAT IS A NOMADIC/MOVING THREAD?
WHAT PICTURES AND IMAGES CAN I POST HERE?
IT’S ALL VERY CLIQUEY AROUND HERE ISN”T IT?
Well, if you have a group of this size, you are going to get subgroups – join one, start your own or shut the fuck up.
And remember: If we all agreed on the same issues and had the same opinions then this place would be really boring. (Though you might think it’s rather boring anyway!) (But if you do then FUCK YOU! EAT MY PLANK!)
IS IT TRUE ABOUT THE LIZARDS?
There are no lizards living on Barbelith.
ARE YOU SURE?
We have no further comments to make about the lizards. Next question.
ARE TROLLS WELCOME?
Not if you’ve been here before and you called yourself The Knowledge.
But if you’re only mildly offensive and equally as entertaining we won’t give you any jip.
WHO WAS THE KNOWLEDGE?
“Alas, poor Knodger, I knew him well…..”
The Knowledge was a Uber-troll, (kind of like the Uraki-Hai out of Lord Of The Rings.) He now lives up in the hills. In the Indian tongue he was known as ‘swings with plank’.
Nobody ever discovered what The Knowledge looked like. The only proof he even exists is the following picture taken during the Vietnam war:
Troll image: http://www.sharune.com/images/Troll.jpg
WHAT IS RIMMING?
AS I GAZE INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL…
Eventually I think that Barbelith should become completely self-sufficient – SELF-MAINTAINING and SELF-MODERATING - with no leaders (as there will be no necessity for them,) and directed by a continually evolving set of cool moderators chosen by a totally 100% democratic system – the challenge for us is how do we achieve this? A system in which moderators are chosen based on the number of posts that they make is open to abuse, as is a system where moderators are chosen by the thumbs up/thumbs down idea which I put forward earlier.
Eventually, in a true utopian board, there would be no need for names – we’d all be anonymous posters!
I think it’s important to accept that Barbelith, like all brilliant and vibrant things, will one-day die. All structures, no matter how strong, eventually crumble to dust. So it’s important not to strive towards the impossible task of making this humble little board immortal – Hell, who wants to live forever anyway, right?
A thread with legs!
If roaming threads focus primarily on mixing ideas from the Magick with other elements of the board, so I guess the success of the experiment may have been effected by people's hesitation to discuss supernatural/spiritual ideas with people who have a lot more experience in those spheres (or just plain aren't interested). However, the crossover between philosophical theory (deconstruction and postmodernity), quantum processes (observation / cause and effect) and magical processes could have been very interesting...
SO
Let the roamers start off with a week in the conversation or somewhere relatively easy-going and then slowly move on to more interesting threads – this might help promote the more ‘heady’ forums and get the less ‘well-read’ people interested in them.
Or thread topic in 2/3 different threads (Moderator permission required) Essentially, the thread has a migration route through related forums. So it would benefit from a cycle that has it spend a week each in the Magick, Books and the Headshop forums. Some forums are better paired than others - The Magick and Music/Books, for example.
If the originator sets the thread up with the proviso that "this is a nomadic thread, moving to (forum x) on this date, and (forum y) on this date", and seeks moderator permission to place an automatic move command on the forum.
It could then start with an abstract stating: “Posted by xxx in the magic/music forum on xx/xx”
It will spend one week in each forum, unless the thread receives no posts for three days (in which case, premature migration is triggered).
An indication of a threads nomadic status should be included in thread title (Put in by moderators).
The thread that is moving mustn’t keep the same date of the last posting, as it might end up a couple pages down the forum its been moved to.
It should feature a ******THIS THREAD MOVED FROM: (forum)**** post at the beginning with the reason why it was moved: For example ‘NOMADIC THREAD’ or ‘INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE POLICY,’ etc.
A random thread selector thing. Give people the incentive to hit Barbelith and land somewhere unexpected - this'd also see more people shuffling through the back pages, too, perhaps?
That’s just silly!
Anyone up for an ‘Opposites Week’ where everyone who posts tries to argue the exact opposite of their personal opinion? Stepping into the enemies’ shoes for a while might well be eye opening and boundary dissolving. It'd be a great ego-destroying device for sure.
Bookmark this thread!
A 'watch this thread' button... so that when you log-on you automatically get presented with a page with all the threads you've selected to follow. The option should also serve them up in reverse, so the threads with the most recent posts are shown first. Could this also end up saving bandwidth? And what about having it so if you click on a link in a person’s profile it will take you to a list of their current favourite threads?
Talk to me
Barbelith has taken on a life of its own that has surpassed original intentions. It was set up as a debating site and as membership has grown it has taken on more of a role as a real time chat site.
A chat room is the logical next step in the conversation, because sometimes the threads in the conversation move waaaaay too fast and the only way to keep up is to constantly refresh the page you’re on, and at other times the potentially great conversation topics get killed off by the spontaneity-preventing nature of the conversation forum.
The Warren Ellis Forum has a cool chat-room/general conversation message-board thing going on. There are also a few more really cool reasons for a chat-room - Firstly, sidelining bandwidth considerations for the Conversation. Secondly, to allow us to schedule chats with interesting characters...
But here’s a really far-out idea….
A Barbelith thread/chat-room hybrid, which looks and reads like your typical Barbelith thread but which scrolls like a chat-room! The size could be limited to one normal page of thread-text, which scrolls before your very eyes! A highly evolved super-dense message-board that acts like a chat room.
Also: A permanent link to this chat room, either at the top of the conversation forum or besides the conversation forum on the forums front page?
The alternatives:
We could ‘get a room’ with any of these fuckwads hosting us free of charge!
http://www.conferenceroom.com/products/backpack.shtml
http://www.delphi.com/barbelith
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