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Another city found in the water

15:43 / 12.04.02

The legendary Seven Pagodas have been found.

That makes a city off the coast of India, one off the coast of Cuba another off the coast of Egypt and the recent Inca discoveries.

Really makes you wonder what's out there. Really makes me wonder what they'd find off the coast of Greece (where so many people expect to find Atlantis, if the Greek goverment would let them look)

06:40 / 13.04.02

I just finished The Mountains of Madness by HP Lovecraft, so in my opinion:

THERE IS UNSPEAKABLE EVIL UNDER THE WAVES! STOP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! (and don't look under that antarctic ice either)

11:46 / 13.04.02

Well, those ices are melting so it will resurface either you want it or not. Muahahaha

12:53 / 15.04.02

There is a theory that Atlantis is under the polar ice caps. According to this theory, Antartica started out around the equator, and then moved south. There's more to it, but that's the over simplified portion of it.

14:01 / 15.04.02

Well - it did, IIRC, but long before humans had evolved (even with the extension of the history of civilisations which some of this evidence might indicate) - so it seems unlikely that a city could have been built on the continent.

15:41 / 15.04.02

Depending on wether there ever was a poleshift, which a lot of things seems to suggest.

However I think the strongest evidence is that map has been found which very accurately show the geography underneath the ice.

Well, maybe this is a bit off topic...

17:35 / 15.04.02

Are you referring to the "Piri Reis" map?
I heard a pretty good refutation of that one a while back, but can't quite remember it all. Had to do with the old mapmaking habit of saving paper by extending coastlines around corners rather than onto the other side or a new page.

It's worth mentioning that the sites off India and Cuba (and one off Japan) *look* like cities, but may be unusual geology - we don't know a lot about how rocks work under the ocean, and there's some cool stuff down there even if it's not ancient civilizations.

On the other hand - ooo! Cool!

(on the third hand: ) Has Science (capital "S") decided how old humanity is now?

Krister Kjellin

09:43 / 16.04.02

Has Science (capital "S") decided how old humanity is now?

I think that depends on your definition of humanity. Homo Sapiens? Or will any old Homo do?

Homo Habilis appeared around 2 millions years ago. Not very similar to us though...

Homo Sapiens is a lot younger. Oldest fossiles are from Africa, and some 130.000 years old.

Human Ancestors Hall

12:58 / 16.04.02

Would I be the only one here who's read the Illuminatus? That gives you a fairly plausible location and probable history of Atlantis and does in fact put it in the middle of the atlantic. As for the underwater ruins; there have been so many 'great empires' that have flourished and then fallen due to man's avarice, or gods anger or natural disaster, that it's going to be many decades yet(if ever at all) before we uncover/discover all of the ruins and lost cities that litter the planet and it's oceans.

13:11 / 17.04.02

I'd say by now most (or close to it) have read Illuminatus.

The middle of the Atlantic theory seems to be a populair one. The "proof" for this tends to focus on the Islands in the Atlantic that look like probable relics of Atlantis (using Plato's description). My understanding was that the Atlantic theory was the prevailing one, untill it was surpased by the theory that it's off the coast of Greece. Which to me, seems to make more sense.

gozer the destructor

14:14 / 17.04.02

I was under the impression that atlantis was supposedly ojust off the gibralter straights, rather than the atlantic...not well up on the subject so would appreciate being put into the frame here a little...

15:33 / 17.04.02

Atlantis in brief:
There's a good chance the island Plato referred to was the volcanic island of Santorini. It's smaller (or closer to Egypt) than he described by a factor of 10 [just looked it up - it's older], so historians believe an extra zero slipped into the description along the way. Plato was only repeating a story told by his grandfather or great uncle. Archeologists say that, just as described in Plato's work, Santorini was destroyed by a volcanic eruption, and sank beneath the Mediterranean, bringing an abrupt end to a peaceful, prosperous city-state.

However, there's another Atlantis - a pre-Egyptian global civilization that got tagged with the same name because, like Plato's island, it was technologically and socially advanced and vanished with nary a trace in a great cataclysm.
Some widely scattered religious texts (Hopi legends, Sanskrit writings, the book of Genesis) seem to point towards the existence of this Atlantis, along with a few unusual relics and architectural "coincidences," like the internal structure of Mayan and Egyptian pyramids, or the identical helmets worn by Tibetan monks and Hawaiian kings.
When New Age icons like Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce refer to Atlantis, it's this prehistoric civilization they're referring to, which has squat to do with the island of Santorini or the ancient Greeks.

12:43 / 18.04.02

grant:

"There's a good chance the island Plato referred to was the volcanic island of Santorini. It's smaller (or closer to Egypt) than he described by a factor of 10 [just looked it up - it's older], so historians believe an extra zero slipped into the description along the way."

I heard an interesting explanation of this a couple of weeks ago. It seems that the phrase "bigger then Asia and Lybia" which is used to describe the size of Atlantis. Is very similiar to "it's between Asia and Lybia." The guy who was proposing this, thinks it got screwed up somewhere while being copied.

I can't speak with any authority on this. But, if true, it does answer a lot of questions.

And thanks grant. I'd always suspected two different cultures, but the things I've come across are so focused on Atlantis that they haven't gone into that possibility. Nice to hear it isn't just me.