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Magick and Spirituality

19:52 / 11.04.02

I know for me, the line between the two is so completely blurred that I rarely notice when I cross it anymore. So I wonder, how do people differentiate between Magick and Spirituality? It seems easy to forget that some people worship gods, when one makes a habit of invoking dieties as a part of magickal casting. To what extent to you recognize religion? Is Magick your religion? Or do you choose to not bother with that aspect of things at all?

20:22 / 11.04.02

no difference... my "spirituality" is a migical one... The Gods I invoke, I pay hommage to in worship.. thus invoking them...
Religion is a sort of spiritual context people raise their kids in for lack of creating such a context themselves...

21:18 / 11.04.02

No religion save self-confidence.
No spirituality save the one-many.
No divinity save self-cannibalization.
No magick save the beating of my heart.
No lines save spaces.
No you save we.

{0, 1, 2}

21:26 / 11.04.02

no Know?

21:44 / 11.04.02

No know.
Know no-no, no.
Yes no. Know no.
There's no limits.

21:48 / 11.04.02

I wish to hire mod3 as my lyicist...

22:28 / 11.04.02

In Philosophy of religion, the formal distinction between religion and magic is that in magic, the human "controls" the metereal principles (spirits, gods, etc) while in religion, the meta-real principles control human life, and humans "beg" or "pray" for the favor of the gods.
But, you might not be talking about religion, but spirituality in a different way. So it would probably help if you clarify that.
Then again, as Mod3 says/menas/symbolizes (jeez, Mod3, whenever you are around, language isn't enough) the distinction might be sinthetic, merely formal. We had commented on this in other thread, making magick requires a change in your world view (which implies your religion), so, in a way, magick has to be (in part) religion.

01:27 / 12.04.02

I've never been one much for religion. Tried that, didn't care for it. Religion is a set of rules to live by, or a social structure used to perpetuate memes through ritual and teachings. The laws of our countries and schools of our societies are religion enough. Though religion does make use of magick to get the job done.

What I am getting more at is spirituality, the relationship with and understanding one has of divinity, and they ways this affects one's life in the form of personal ethics and subjective understanding of reality on a personal level. It tends to revolve around one's understanding of divinity, be it as an external force, an impersonal natural phenomenon, or the immediately visible divinity and power of the self.

I have found that through persuit, study, and use of magick, I have developed a spirituality I did not expect, a new respect and understanding of divinity through my own experience after having discarded all that I was taught of it originally by religion. So, I'm trying to stir up some conversation along these lines, curious as to what extent folks have come to or from spirituality due to magick.

13:31 / 12.04.02

I would think that "making" magick opens new channels of perception, allows you to perceive new aspects of reality. And thus, develops a new world-view. And creates new channels of perception for the divine principle(s) to manifest, or to be (re)congnized,
I supose that's the way it works fro most contemporary magickians, because we are formed in our fathers conservative world view, and then change into magick as a voluntary evolution