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Oracle at Delphi: High on Ethylene.

 
 
grant
13:03 / 10.04.02
Erowid says it's true:
Recent discoveries appear to corroborate Classical Greek stories about the Oracle at Delphi inhaling strange vapors during divinatory ceremonies. The ancient texts describe the Oracle as inhaling fumes from the lower chamber in the temple and seeing visions, which she then related to visitors. The Greek author Plutarch, in the first century of the current era, wrote about the Oracle at Delphi (also known as Pythia), which may have been part of Greek tradition for over a thousand years. Plutarch described that a woman would enter a small chamber and inhale the sweet-smelling fumes from a fissure in the mountain and enter a trance.

In the 20th Century, some archaelogists dismissed the stories as fable, but more convincing evidence from the 1990's appears to support the view that the Oracle inhaled naturally formed Ethylene (ethene) gas as part of the ceremony.

Ethylene gas (also known as "ethene") is a very simple hydrocarbon gas (C2H4), which is explosive when concentrated. It is used to ripen fruit and vegetables by agrobusiness and it is produced by plants naturally as they ripen. It is odorless and colorless as a gas and can be difficult to detect.


So what is ethylene?

Simple answer: H2C=CH2. It exists wherever produce is stored.
Especially bananas, peaches, apples & tomatoes.

The Oracle at Delphi, however, probably got her visionary kicks from hot springs:
About every 100 years a major earthquake rattles the faults. The faults are heated by adjacent rocks and the hydrocarbon deposits stored in them are vaporized. These gases mix with ground water and emerge around springs.

De Boer conducted an analysis of these hydrocarbon gases in spring water near the site of the Delphi temple. He found that one is ethylene, which has a sweet smell and produces a narcotic effect described as a floating or disembodied euphoria.

"Ethylene inhalation is a serious contender for explaining the trance and behavior of the Pythia," said Diane Harris-Cline, a classics professor at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

"Combined with social expectations, a woman in a confined space could be induced to spout off oracles," she said.

According to traditional explanations, the Pythia derived her prophecies in a small, enclosed chamber in the basement of the temple. De Boer said that if the Pythia went to the chamber once a month, as tradition says, she could have been exposed to concentrations of the narcotic gas that were strong enough to induce a trance-like state.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:07 / 10.04.02
Ah ha, more prophets hopped up on drugs.

I have a plan for my future career.

In the mean time, very interesting there grant.
 
 
Ierne
13:18 / 10.04.02
Hmmm... I've read that the trance of the Pythia was anything but a "floating and disembodied euphoria"; in fact such a state took a lot of wear and tear on her both physically and mentally...but accounts differ.

I will look this up and see if I can post some examples.
 
 
grant
13:38 / 10.04.02
Well, one of those articles does mention "delirium and even death" as an effect of the concentrated gases at Delphi, so chances are it was a lot more like huffing White-Out than drifting off with nitrous oxide.
But I'd really like to read any descriptions of the oracle doing her thing.
 
 
Wyrd
17:25 / 10.04.02
This is an interesting subject. In Naomi Ozaniec's book, Daughter of the Goddess: The Sacred Priestess she has a chapter on Oracles in our history.

Diodorus Siculus says that the Oracle used to be a young woman, but a man kidnapped her and raped her, and thereafter the Oracle was always an older woman (usually over 50, and a virgin!). Apparently the term Pythia, for the Oracle, was one that only came into popularity in the 19th century, and was never used by contemporary sources.

The idea of divine madness, of the priestess flailing around and breathing in vapours from bowls of incense or from a chasm, has been etched into the common conception about Delphi. Ozaniec says that several of the sources that are used for this image come from the likes of Strabo and Lucan - and neither of them had ever visited Delphi personally. There seems to have been a lot of rumours and exaggeration about the Oracle, even during the time when it was operating.

Plutarch is noted as being a particularly useful source as he was a Priest at Delphi. Though there were some others such as Aescylus, Euripedes, Pindar and Herodotus. None of these mention the idea of a chasm or of vapours. I got the impression from the book that Plutarch had not said it either, but the above story says he did, so I guess it's up to the scholars to look that up.

From what Ozaniec says, the idea that the Oracle was frenzied comes from a mistranslation of Plutrach's word "mania" (rapture, inspiration, ecstacy) into the Latin of "insania". Plutarch does describe the Oracle as wild and crazed once, but that was a particular story in which one of the querents broke the rules about the manner in which the Oracle was supposed to be approached, and she subseqently died from the experience. It's thought to be a warning of what not to do.

Of course, as we all know, everyone as their own slant, so I can't say for sure that Ozaniec isn't putting her own spin on things. Though I'm usually impressed by authors who go to the trouble of reseraching original sources. From what she says, Joesph Fontenrose has done just that in his book: Python - a Study of Delphic Myth and its Origins; University of California Press, 1959. I think that would be one to look up.

I think there's an interesting bias in the piece quoted about the Priestess, especially the expression that she would "spout off Oracles". The idea seems to be to rationally explain what the Priestess was doing, and to imply that it was gibberish in some fashion. Even if mind-altering substances were used, it doesn't alter that the visions and information might have been useful.

Not all Oracles were accurate of course, and from what I understand there was a political agenda behind some of them in Greece, with a lot of Kudos for the area that had a powerful Oracle. In the case of the Delphi Oracle, I believe the resident Priest would take what she said and then "translate" it into poetic form. Which certainly shows that what was said by the Priestess could easily be misunderstood.
 
 
Ierne
12:26 / 22.04.02
Sorry for the delay – I've been moving house...my books have been packed up.

I don't have any Plutarch in my library so I can't give direct quotes, but the quotes below are from a book by E.R. Dodds called The Greeks and the Irrational. He refutes the vapor theory as a "Hellenistic invention" and notes that Plutarch refuted it also – to be fair, the book was written in 1951 and the technology used recently to find the ethylene at Delphi was not available at that time:

At Delphi, and apparently at most of his oracles, Apollo relied, not on visions...but on "enthusiasm" in its original and literal sense. The Pythia became entheos, plena deo: the god entered into her and used her vocal organs as if they were his own, exactly as the so-called "control" does in modern spirit-mediumship; that is why Apollo's Delphic utterances are always couched in the first person, never in the third. (pgs 70-71)

Even on the psychological state of the Pythia our information is pretty scanty. One would like to be told how she was chosen in the first instance, and how prepared for her high office; but practically all we know for certainty is that the Pythia of Plutarch's day was the daughter of a poor farmer, a woman of honest upbringing and respectable life, but with little education or experience of the world. (Pg 72)

We know, however, from Plutarch that she was not always affected in the same manner, and that occasionally things went badly wrong, as they have been known to do at modern seances. He reports the case of a recent Pythia who had gone into trance reluctantly and in a state of depression, the omens being unfavorable. From the outset she spoke in a hoarse voice, as if distressed, and appeared to be filled with "a dumb and evil spirit", finally she rushed screaming towards the door and fell to the ground, whereupon all those present, and even the Prophetes, fled in terror. When they came back to pick her up, they found her senses restored; but she died within a few days...Plutarch probably had it at first hand from from the Prophetes Nicander, a personal friend of his, who was actually present at the horrid scene. (pg 72)

Wyrd: whilst moving this weekend, I found my copy of the Ozaniec book – funny coincidence...
 
 
Spaids
13:34 / 22.04.02
Um....I don't want to sound stupid, but I'm going to because I don't know anything. I've never really read any classics but am finding this thread very interesting. What would you recommend I read and in which order, to better enable myself to follow these conversations? Any advice would be appreciated.
 
 
Ierne
14:39 / 22.04.02
Hey Spaids: no such thing as a dumb question

Unfortunately my interest in Classic Greek Texts is that of a novice – but I think the good folks over in the Book Forum might be able to help you out though. Try starting a thread over there and see what info they can give you.

One more quote from Dodds:

'Scholars who attributed the Pythia's trance to inhaling mephitic gases naturally concluded that her "ravings" bore little relation to the response eventually presented to the enquirer...There is one piece of evidence, however, which suggests, for what it is worth, that in early times the responses were really based on the Pythia's words: when Cleomenes suborned the Oracle to give the reply he wanted, the person whom his agent approached was, if we can trust Herodotus, not the Prophetes or one of the Hoisoi, but the Pythia herself; and the desired result followed. And if in latter days, as Plutarch implies, the enquirers were, on some occasions at least, able to hear the actual words of the entranced Pythia...'

Now if the Pythia entered trance in the presence of other temple members, and in some cases even the enquirer, would they not be affected by the gas as well? Why, if the gas is hypothesized as being responsible for the trance state, did no-one else go into trance or speak the words of Apollo?
 
 
Spaids
15:28 / 22.04.02
Thanx lerne. I'll take a look and C what I can C.
 
  
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