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bitchiekittie
12:26 / 09.04.02
when I was a kid I was that girl who walked with her eyes glued to her shoes, couldnt possibly make eye contact, and whos voice was so quiet and rarely heard that it was easy to ignore my existence. I was painfully shy and would never think of chatting with anyone who didnt approach me first, let alone making friendly with strangers. now Im utterly the opposite (in case you havent noticed)

so where does social confidence come from? or shyness? is it a dysfunction, or just a normal personality trait? do you get it from your caregivers, your neighborhood, your experiences?

a lot of you have claimed to be shy - have any idea why you are? does it get in the way?
 
 
Captain Zoom
12:32 / 09.04.02
Originally posted by bitchiekittie:
"whos voice was so quiet and rarely heard that it was easy to ignore my existence. I was painfully shy and would never think of chatting with anyone who didnt approach me first, let alone making friendly with strangers"

And you've changed how exactly?

I was like this too. The thing that changed me was getting up and acting on stage. I volunteered to write a play in high school and when it came time to cast it I was offered a small part. So I took it. What the fuck, what's the worst that could happen? And then I became addicted and I realized that being confident in less public situations was all acting as well. Put on the brave face, act like you know exactly what you lines are going to be. Throw in a little improvisation, which is easily the scariest thing someone can do onstage, and I was set. I think over the last 10 years (christ it's been a long time), it's sort of become a natural thing. I'm no longer acting, as the confident role has melded with everyday Zoom. I still get shy and nervous, but usually with people I know well, rather than those I don't know at all.

Zoom.
 
 
Sax
12:35 / 09.04.02
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this yesterday, BK. I used to be painfully shy as a kid, which I think was something to do with being an only child. I only really remember coming out of my shell when I was about 14 or 15 - I suppose it was to do with being at school and having to sink or swim in the horrendous experience that is the British comprehensive system for a teenager without any brothes or sisters. Of course, I then overcompensated by becoming unbearably cocking for about four years, but now I like to think I've achieved some kind of happy medium. I know when to shut up (most of the time) but don't like sitting in a corner being quiet in a group of people.

As to where it actually comes from, not sure. I suppose my job (journalist) meant I had to have a measure of social confidence - I remember the first time I had to challenge a bench of magistrates over a ruling, being aged about 19, and I was petrified.

I think, overall, I'm a product of my experiences.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:39 / 09.04.02
I've never really been that shy. I used to be noisier and outspoken. These days I am a lot more reserved and quiet which is often mistaken for shyness. As outlined in the difficult to be you thread I prefer peace and quiet over a rowdy social engagement. I can still be fairly forward but often in a more subtle manner.

The only time that I'm really shy is when it comes to trying to approach a prospective partner. Probably something that is of a great relief to the female population of the world.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:12 / 09.04.02
Strangely, I feel terribly shy - though I've always been a loudmouth bastard. As anyone who's come to Barbemeets before can probably confirm. I've always felt shy, and think I always will, though I apparently appear very confident now.

I don't know where I get it from, either.
 
 
Bear
13:27 / 09.04.02
I'm still that shy person BK is talking about, probably not as much as I was in school but still pretty quiet, I can't look people in the eyes when I talk to them, and I still walk looking down at my shoes...

I'm not sure what caused it either, my mum, dad and sister could all talk for hours with anyone....

Actually I remember 2 things that happended to me when I was young that must have made some difference, or why else would I still remember them?

But of course this all changes when I start drinking, unleash the bear !
 
 
MissLenore
13:35 / 09.04.02
I've always hated that people assume I'm shy simply because I'm quiet. There is a difference. I'm quiet because people who talk for the sake of talking are irritating, and I don't want to end up like that. It has nothing to do with being shy or not feeling confident. If I feel like talking about something I will. It drives me insane when I'm with people who tell others, in front of me, that I'm "a little bit shy," when that is not the case.
Does anyone else have this problem?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:37 / 09.04.02
Occasionally.
 
 
rizla mission
14:04 / 09.04.02
I used to be shy in primary school, when I'd run around playing Transformers on my own while all the other boys were playing football or fighting or whatever. ("Nothing to worry about," I assume a savvy psychologist would have told by parents, "your son's just a GEEK!")

Then at the start of big school I stopped being shy (tho I still take pride in being quiet, thanks for pointing out the difference, MissL) and started being 'AWKWARD', and I'm now awkward to the extent that I frequently have absolutely no idea exactly what situation I'm in, or how exactly I should be responding to it and communicate largely in variations of "um, eh, yes, well, I suppose so, maybe".
 
 
Sax
14:15 / 09.04.02
Riz, do you by any chance look like the guy from Yummyfur?
 
 
rizla mission
14:21 / 09.04.02
I dunno, what does he look like? Is that a comic or a band?, I've forgotten..
 
 
Trijhaos
16:06 / 09.04.02
I'm painfully shy. I don't know why. It could be because I never grew up around children my own age and when I started elementary school I ended up being ostracised because I was "the class genius". Living in germany where people don't speak english probably didn't help matters either. I can carry my end of the conversation if someone else starts it. I have trouble saying "hello" to people.

I'm slowly getting over my shyness though. Just two years ago, I would answer people as tersely as possible when they asked me something. Uusually I would shrug, nod, or if I had to say "yes" or "no". Now I'll actually answer the questions in coherent sentences.

I have the social confidence of a gnat. If someone sees someone they find attractive, they'd probably go up to said object of attraction and speak to him/her, right? I wouldn't, I'd just sit and think of the eereactions said person would have if I actually did go up and speak to them. Unfortunatly, when it comes to social things like that, I'm a pessimist, so my thoughts tend to stray down the path where the person says something along the lines of "ewwww...get away from me, you ugly troll". Not exactly good for the self-confidence/self-image is it? Hell, if someone sees a person they know, they'd go strike up a conversation. Me, I'd just sit there reading my ever-present book and hope they come up to me.

Basically, I'm the guy that walks around with his hands shoved in his pockets and his eyes downcast, occasionally looking up to make sure he doesn't run into a tree or electric pole.
 
 
gozer the destructor
16:13 / 09.04.02
Riz, it's both and both were/are great. did the comic reach a conclusion or did it stop halfway? I only read about five and i think he only did about twenty, anybody?
 
 
Fist Fun
17:25 / 09.04.02
Trijhaos you sound as if you have a bit of the old social anxiety there. You should look it up on the net there are plenty of resources.
 
 
Trijhaos
17:59 / 09.04.02
Social anxiety? Well crap. Looking at these different sites, it seems I'm gonna become some sort of depressive alcoholic just because I don't interact with people. Oh look at this one. It says I'll drop out of school and will be stuck working at dead-end jobs. Well isn't this just grand?
 
 
Ganesh
18:04 / 09.04.02
Yes, Trijhaos, it really is that cut-and-dried...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:17 / 09.04.02
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The Yummyfur.
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Rizla.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:18 / 09.04.02
Hey, how do you post images? They goddamn changed the rules! Just like in 'Nam...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
18:21 / 09.04.02
Use the pointy brackets (<>) around the code IMG SRC=(url of picture)
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:24 / 09.04.02
Testing...

The Yummyfur.

Rizla.
 
 
The Strobe
22:04 / 09.04.02
I'm not exactly shy, given that I'm a talkative bastard and ought to shut up more. But some types of people make me shy. Many people at school did; I could get a pile of people to tell you I wasn't the most sociable person, not exactly a hit with the lay-deez, and pretty awkward to get on with.

But to be honest, it was because a lot of them weren't my kind of person. Now I'm away from that environment, and in one (university) where there are far more people-vaguely-like-me-if-you-squint, and more to the point, people-who-are-going-to-be-the-type-of-people-i-like, i'm far less awkward.

Thing is, I have automatic reactions to hide awkwardness, usually crap sarcastic jokes, and if in doubt, being rude to people. If they think I'm really being rude I either a) cower and apologise and tell them i actually like them (normally if they're female and i find them attractive... but it's clearly pointless if they can't tell when i'm joking or b) relax, safe in the knowledge they wouldn't like me. They then realise I'm pleasant and that I was just being rude to them unavoidably. The jokes/rudeness thing is almost gone, it's always part of me, but it's not an instinctive reaction if I can't cope.

I guess people at school didn't get that they were never asking the right questions. It's really, really hard to explain, but it's best explained that they think you're weird when you don't give them the answers they expect, but in fact it's them asking the wrong questions.

They also didn't quite get what's wrong with being a geek. OK. I'm pinning it down. The people that irritate me are the people who find it amusing/funny when I can't answer the question "what's your favourite film" definitley or in about ten seconds, and I get frustrated, and try to explain that you can't have ONE. And they think you're funny because you're weird like that and get worked up, and you find it frustrating that people can have one favourite film. And it's even more frustrating when it changes weekly, but they don't admit to having many? Do you see? When I say "geek" I mean a broad variety of things.

Thankfully, I'm now out of there (still a geek, though, and proud). Never shy. But definitely awkward. Still am in many ways, but it doesn't get in the way 99 times out of 100 now. Only worrying thing is if I'm not sure if I'm quite "me" yet, haven't been for a year or two, but at least I'm comfortable-ish in whatever this state is.
 
 
Baz Auckland
22:17 / 09.04.02
I'm still a bit shy... don't know why. The geek with glasses in primary school trauma, and the benefit of being the 2nd oldest of 4 makes for family-as-friends.

I started busking when I was 16 to get money to go to Europe. Ever since then, I've had a lot more confidence and lost a lot of my shyness. Not only the best job I've ever had, but it was productive too!

..oh wait. The 1st year of university, I didn't talk to a soul. In 2nd year a friend in my program basically grabbed me, sat me down with a group in the lounge, and forced me to socialise. People were actually in shock that year that I was actually talking to them.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:21 / 10.04.02
Eurgh. Why'ja bring this up? I didn't start out that way, but was so shy by my early teens that I was practically non-existant. What changed me? Practice, I suppose. And beer.
 
 
Turk
02:08 / 10.04.02
squeak
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:32 / 10.04.02
I used to be quiet and shy around the people I didnt know. Then in high-school I met theis amzing girl who taught me the meaning of " I just dont give a fuck!" and how to use it in social situations. Now im just as outgoing an exhuberant as I was when I was drunk..but I can still face myself in the morning..an no one thinks me a drunken-idiot.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:05 / 10.04.02
I tend to feel all "ooh... ummm..." but act all "WHOAH!" in a vain attempt to become so... though maybe it's working- I keep losing track of which one I am.
 
 
m. anthony bro
10:02 / 10.04.02
People used to watch me walking, with my head down and ask me what I had lost. Nobody said much to me, and that's about as much as I said back. It's just fucking crazy to look back at where you were eight years ago to the day, on the eleventh of April 1994. say, when I was eighteen and you were x years old. All I can think to say about that counts better as a string of swear words. From where I was I came out, fell in love, lost my religion and made friends with actual cool people. Now, I have actual self esteem. I can write, design, cook and watch cricket without feeling like a moron. If someone says bad stuff about me, I don't care. I can give a fuck no longer about so many things. Suddenly, being alive rules.
 
 
rizla mission
11:22 / 10.04.02
It's should be pointed out for the records that I've now cut my hair and look considerably more like the Yummy Fur man than the Chemical Brothers man.
 
  
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