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Talk of identity cards

 
 
The Knowledge +1
14:58 / 16.09.01
From NTL news:Tony Blair has declared war with terrorism.

The Prime Minister promises Britain will play its full part in strikes against those responsible for the American outrages.

Mr Blair was speaking in the Cabinet Room at Downing Street.

He said: "Yes. Whatever the technical or legal issues about a declaration of war, the fact is we are at war with terrorism."

In an interview to be shown around the globe for US television network CNN, Mr Blair added: "What happened on Tuesday was an attack not just on the United States, but an attack on the civilised world."

And he confirmed the British death toll will be the highest in any terrorist attack, warning grimly: "Probably 200-300 people from Britain will have died in that terrorist attack.

"That makes it the worst terrorist attack there has been on British citizens since the Second World War."

Mr Blair has praised US President George W Bush's handling of the crisis and predicted a widespread worldwide coalition to hunt down those responsible for the attacks and further action to dismantle the whole operation of international terrorism, including its finances.

He refused to speculate on how domestic security measures may be tightened, including the possibility of the introduction of compulsory identity cards.

Is anyone else freaked out by this?
 
 
bio k9
15:05 / 16.09.01
Will someone tell me what "compulsory identity cards" are?
 
 
Magic Mutley
15:45 / 16.09.01
Funny, just the other day we were being told that the UK is popular with refugees because we don't have identity cards...

[ 16-09-2001: Message edited by: Wheaty Goodness ]
 
 
000
17:37 / 16.09.01
quote:Will someone tell me what "compulsory identity cards" are?

Tagging, identity-chip.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:57 / 16.09.01
BK9 - most likely a photo ID, complete with the holder's name, date of birth and possibly address. You'd be required by law to have it on your person at all times.

The new UK driving licence looks like a method of sneaking these in.
 
 
rizla mission
19:41 / 16.09.01
quote:Originally posted by E. Randy Dupre:
The new UK driving licence looks like a method of sneaking these in.


That's what I've been thinking.

Is there anything that the ID card would have that the driving licence *doesn't?*

(Apart from the fact that driving licences aren't compulsory)
 
 
Analogues On
19:50 / 16.09.01
You know, we’ve had photos on our driving licences for years in Northern Ireland. Not just suspected terrorists or former offenders, but everyone.
The message? That we are all inherently suspect? Possibly.

And for Blair to say:
"Probably 200-300 people from Britain will have died in that terrorist attack. That makes it the worst terrorist attack there has been on British citizens since the Second World War." (from Knowledge +1, above)

Hmmmm. Seeing as I live in Belfast, I would challenge that last statement, Tony. Remember the Troubles? It seems not.
Blair is obviously talking about some other more politically lucrative form of terrorism. One where the lines are more “clearly drawn”, and where he can make glib proclamations of war and hide behind an international superpower ally; all while comfortably backing the winner and “doing the right thing”.

And incidentally the ongoing situation in Ulster (which may once have had a whiff of legitimacy – but has since become increasingly reactionary, regressive and redundant) also stems from war mongering, fundamentalist, macho bullshit, and is prolonged by an inability to clearly reason, compromise and forgive.

Gah!
 
 
rizla mission
09:42 / 17.09.01
Yeah.

Thanks to RedRunningLord for a concise demonstration of 'hitting the nail on the head'.
 
 
bio k9
09:42 / 17.09.01
Laila: Thanks for keeping it short for once. this is a proud day for Barbelith.

Everyone: What are the I.D. cards/ Drivers Licenses like where you live? Mine has: a photo, a number/letter combination (the first five letters of your last name, first and middle initials, two numbers relating to your birthdate, and three other digets), followed by my name, address, height, weight, eye color, birthdate and signature. You don't have to have I.D. on you unless you are operating a vehicle. I've been told that the new licenses have a barcode on the back that allows police to look up your entire criminal history should they pull you over. That may be crap though since mine is fairly new and I've yet to see one with a barcode...

Rizla: RedRunningLord is Member #666 and, as such, not to be trusted. I am afraid. Very afraid.
 
 
b3kz0rz
09:42 / 17.09.01
Horrible photo, physical characteristics, number that's far too long, license class, address, maybe a few other things... I'm too lazy to check.
 
 
moriarty
09:42 / 17.09.01
I was walking home one night when a cop stopped me and started questioning me. A crime had been committed and I fit the description, so I co-operated. He asked for ID. I only ever carry ID when I'm driving or going somewhere that requires proof of age. He peaked. He went absolutely fucking crazy on me, started threatening me with arrest, told me to never, ever go out without carrying ID ever again. And, you know, he's right.

So I now have my Discordian and Subgenius membership cards permanently in my wallet. No one ever said shit about "official" ID.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
08:42 / 27.08.03
This topic has once again reared its ugly head, as can be noted here.

I'm personally undecided about the usage of identity cards, although I'm frankly unconvinced about the viability of Blunkett's vision of 'Biometric' cards. But setting the question of shackling civil freedoms aside, just how effective would they be if they were introduced?
 
 
w1rebaby
11:00 / 27.08.03
I'm convinced they will keep floating and withdrawing the idea of ID cards until finally, people say "God! Okay! I'm tired now! Just give me the fucking thing already!" It never seems to change, the issues are all the same, there's never anything new. But then this is silly season.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:30 / 27.08.03
can you say 'new world order'?

once we're all chipped and tag, I see no bar to the whole of Britain being sold to an American entrpreneur for a reasonable fee....

Fradge - that's it!!!! We're there thinking 'hooray - they've withdrawn the idea'. But it's just horrendous social engineering again. they are trying to wear down resistance by suggestion and by degree.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:31 / 28.08.03
As far as I'm aware Blunkett seems to be the only one in the Cabinet that thinks this is a good idea, so presumerably he's going to keep on with these things like consultations that the public don't know about and setting up tests in seaside towns until he gets 'the proof' he needs that we all love the idea, it'll be really cheap and will do all the things that it won't do. Of course, Blunkett is supposed to be one of Blair's favourites to replace him, so if he ever did then we'd be getting ID cards the next day.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:06 / 09.09.03
Identity cards? Pfft! So last week!

Now we are onto keeping personal information on every child in the country on file:

http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,1074,1038411,00.html
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:43 / 09.09.03
Which, once Blunkett has managed to get ID cards going, the information from this (and the proposals a few weeks back to keep information on children 'experts' think might become delinquents) can go in the files that will get started on everyone with an ID card.
 
 
Peach Pie
09:14 / 10.09.03
which is the final nail in the coffin of civil liberities as we know them. all the while ignoring the fact that it was fault of the people *within* the system, rather than the system itself, which led to the Climbie tragedy.
 
 
electricinca
15:26 / 05.07.04
The fight against the introduction of ID cards in Britain isn't over yet. The consultation period is still ongoing and the Home Office is still accepting comments on their draft bill.

Any comments should be sent to:
Robin Woodland
Legislation Consultation
Identity Cards Programme
Home Office
3rd Floor
Allington Towers
19 Allington Street
London SW1E 5EB

Comments may also be sent by fax to: 020 7035 5386 or by e-mail to: - identitycards@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk. If commenting by e-mail please include the words "consultation response" in the subject title.

All comments should be submitted to arrive no later than Tuesday 20th July 2004.

Read the Home Office consultation document (pdf) Legislation on Identity Cards: a consultation

Please also read the essay Identity and ID cards: An analysis of the national identity card scheme proposed by the British Government. Available as HTML or PDF
I wrote this to appear neutral in order to sway the majority of the public who have little understanding of the issues. It is published under a creative commons license to please steal from it and republish bits of it if you wish.
 
  
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