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Mark Thomas Product: Good or appalling?

 
 
Prisoner no. 1300
08:27 / 08.04.02
I thought this show was pretty funny and informative meself.

Mark Thomas is a bit annoying, though. Anyone else see it?
 
 
_pin
08:35 / 08.04.02
The first ep. blew ass. I missed the second one. The second series wasn't too good eitehr, and missed the frist series altogether. It was the best one, wasn't it?

I think the faqct that "Comedy" was removed from the title possible sums this up. It's just not funny, but tries to be. If the proghramme made people resarch the issues, it'd be better, but it didn't make me, and I made and I wish it did, so it probablly didn't make others, either.
 
 
gozer the destructor
09:37 / 08.04.02
he does love to play for the righteous indignation...
 
 
angel
10:18 / 08.04.02
Yeah, but who else other than Mark Thomas is actually commenting on this stuff? Who else is actually taking time and effort to highlight the bullshit and stupidity that our government gets up to and deliberately shows us exactly how unfunny it all is.

In my opinion, his status as a comedy person has allowed him the opportunity to speak about issues that he is completely passionate about. How lucky is that?? I haven't seen any of the new series, but I went to the filming of one episode last year and it was great and many of the episodes I saw from last season I also liked. I almost said enjoyed, and perversely I did enjoy seeing the government being made to look small and stupid, but then as I saw more and more of what was happening, and knowing that it was all really happening, it caused me to really think about my apathy towards activism and how change requires me to get off my arse and committ to being part of the change process.

And I think that's part of what he might be hoping for.
 
 
plank
14:28 / 08.04.02
The problem with using comedy to highlight serious issues is that unless the comedy is bang on the mark no holds barred pant-wettingly funny, it tends to completely undermine the issue you're trying to promote.

I saw last weeks episode, and I just thought that, ultimately, presenting a couple of gift wrapped turds to Number 11 Downing Street with your petition is probably not the best way to get your issue listened to by the policy makers. And it's really not that funny, particularly when it's combined with Thomas's rather smug back slapping soap box stand up.

I don't know, perhaps I'm being a little harsh. He's pulled some good stunts in the past, and yeah he's drawing attention to some really important issues, but it's just not funny enough, and the show suffers for it, I think.
 
 
Bear
14:33 / 08.04.02
I think the smug thing is spot on, I really can't stand the guy and I don't know why. I prefered "The Awful Truth" but thats just me.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:52 / 08.04.02
I'm going to be in one of them, for all of ten seconds.

I quite like it, though he does ge a bit self-righteous at times. The fact that it lacks the whole Michael Moore thing of 'lets give ourselves a clap for being so damn great and sticking it to the man!' appeals. But he never really meant for it to be funny, it's just that because he does take the piss someone at Channel 4 said "we've got to make it clear it's satirical comedy!". The non-MTP thing he did on the Countryside Alliance was one of the best things he's ever done.
 
 
gozer the destructor
14:54 / 08.04.02
I agree that he's not that funny, but I always end up watching the show just to see what issue he's sermoning about, his dad's a preacher apparently. I prefer him to the immensly patronising/unfunny michael moore, and niether of them are fit to stand in the shadow of bill hicks regarding political comedy, I know he didn't run campaigns as such (although he did set up an animal sactuary I believe) just straight down the line (sort of) stand up but if you wanna be preachy and funny, learn from the best...
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:31 / 08.04.02
 
 
rizla mission
16:41 / 08.04.02
I agree with his politcs, and I generally like the things he does (not so much the token stunts, but, y'know, the awareness raising, campaign starting side of things) and I'm sure he's a cool guy..

..but I do find the way he presents the show VERY propagandic - you can almost imagine him going after some government offical / company that hasn't actually done anything wrong and saying "they SAY they didn't do it, but we don't belive those BASTARDS, do we audience?".

He seems incapable of not talking like he's addressing a mass socialist meeting or something.. very 'us vs. them'.

(THINKS: it would be kind of funny if some really cruel satirists did a spoof of his show where they 'investigated' him and denounced him for (probably) having a nice house and lots of money in the bank.)
 
 
Steve Block
17:46 / 08.04.02
I thought the two shits thing was quite approprate, really, in that he blatantly does give two shits.
 
 
gozer the destructor
09:58 / 09.04.02
Nice painting WIWW, did you do it?

I agree about some one doing the do with marky baby,

whistleblowers write in

hee hee hee,
 
 
higuita
12:13 / 09.04.02
Errr, content yes, smug Mark Thomas, no.
Then again, it's the sort of thing that, if you make the format 'more serious', might start off well and then descend to a sub-watchdog/that's life level. Nice premise, but might slacken off when the material starts to get a bit thin.
At least he's doing something, I suppose. And yes, I agree about the turds. Not conducive to getting your points across.
As for whistleblowing, I've had him, and he was crap.
 
 
higuita
12:14 / 09.04.02
Part of that was a lie.
 
 
plank
12:28 / 09.04.02
Ah! Steve - I didn't get the two shits gag, and now feel rather dumb... and it was an inappopriate donation, so fair play then.

The website is quite useful for extra information on the show and relevant links, etc, as is the "unofficial" site. I didn't realise he'd offered a bounty on bush as well, which is quite cool.

I still think, now he's dropped the comedy from the show's title, he should drop the comedy from the show itself. It would definitely benefit from losing the ranty studio bits; programme time that could be better spent on the more interesting reports and interviews.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:12 / 10.04.02
I don't know: I think the comedy is a major part of the show - it is the sugar which helps teh bitter political pill to slip down more easily.

I know that among my friends - most of whom are less 'political' than me in normal conversation - there is a definite interest in Mark Thomas because of both the comedy and the politics, but that the interest started because he was funny, and the political side came later.

Personally, I've got a lot of time for Mark Thomas - and he is a bloody good journalist too. He's broken some class stories in his time, and been quite a pain in the ass to quite a few wankers. I mean - how long did that Michael Meacher's homes story run?

Given a choice between him and Friends, I know what I'd watch.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
19:02 / 10.04.02
I occasionally think that he goes for the wrong target, or rather their others far more deserving of the treatment than those who receive it. I think his funny and don't mind the addressing a socialist worker march, style (Bill Hicks could come off like this some times).

I do think it's a little sad and worrying that on Barbelith of all places we're criticising one of the few people in the mainstream media who are going after the bad guys, because he not cool or ironic enough.

Originally posted by Rizla

"(THINKS: it would be kind of funny if some really cruel satirists did a spoof of his show where they 'investigated' him and denounced him for (probably) having a nice house and lots of money in the bank.)"

Yes because what we need is for the credibility of anyone who criticises big business, corrupt governments etc, to be totally undermined because the mainstream press doesn't do that enough. Also god forbid he or Naomi Klein, or anyone else for that matter do anything other than live in a cave to show that they're "down with the struggle". What the fuck?
 
 
Rev. Wright
09:18 / 11.04.02
Mark Thomas puts a price on Dubya's head
 
 
gozer the destructor
09:21 / 11.04.02
This links already on further up, worth pointing out again though, a price on the head of our champion pretzel eater...
 
 
plank
14:38 / 11.04.02
Originally posted by The resistable rise of Reidcourchie:
I do think it's a little sad and worrying that on Barbelith of all places we're criticising one of the few people in the mainstream media who are going after the bad guys, because he not cool or ironic enough.


I was thinking that last night while I was watching. Perhaps it would be more pertinent to discuss the issues that the show raises, rather than whether or not it succeeds in being funny/entertaining? Seems to me that the general conclusion here is that although Mark Thomas may not be the greatest comedian to ever tell a joke, his journalism is worth talking about.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:43 / 11.04.02
So do we use the Switchboard or Television to discuss it? Whadda you think?
I'll wait for an answer and then rant like a bastard, so hurry up...
 
 
rizla mission
11:46 / 12.04.02
Reidcourchie:
Yes because what we need is for the credibility of anyone who criticises big business, corrupt governments etc, to be totally undermined because the mainstream press doesn't do that enough.

'funny' was the operative word. Like, denounce him in a joke way, the way he denounces businessmen/politicians, in order to show that things aren't quite as black & white as he likes to make out, and even people who haven't done a great deal of badness can easily be made to look like villians in a 15 min. TV slot. In a Chris Morris style-ee.

God knows, I wouldn't want anyone to ACTUALLY destroy his career. Faults aside, he's clearly within the top 5 most interesting people allowed to open their mouths on national TV..
 
 
_pin
12:47 / 12.04.02
OK, scan reading, so don't know if this has been brought up, but two things irk me about him:

ONE He dislikes the French... why?

TWO "They didn't find time to debate the Corporate Killing, but did find time for the Football Holligans Bill"- pardonmewhat? Please tell me I'm wrong in thinking he's actually saying the Football Hooligan bill isn't important.
 
 
higuita
12:57 / 12.04.02
Perhaps it would be more pertinent to discuss the issues that the show raises, rather than whether or not it succeeds in being funny/entertaining?
I think we're all agreed that the idea behind the show is 'a good thing'. I'd argue that the question of whether it is funny/entertaining is quite important, as that's what he sets out to do - that's the measure of his success in this case. If he wanted to do just investigative journalism, then he could, and present it in the traditional panorama style. But there's something different taking place here, an attempt to make points in a manner that will 'get over' to your non-panorama audience.
I've seen any number of plays, films etc that had serious issues raised, in a serious manner, but were total crap.
With MT, we're seeing something different - it's watchable, amusing and, yes, he strikes me as a bit smug and occasionally his approach makes me want to turn over. It's been a long time since something funny was seen as dangerous and I think in this case, the success of the medium is just as important as the message.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:12 / 13.04.02
I don't remember him mentioning the Football Hooligan Bill, but instead old lords talking endlessly about christmas cards...
 
  
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