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Flight 93 shot down?

22:07 / 15.09.01

this report from the konformist is at: http://www.konformist.com/911/93.htm

quote:So we have (1) witness accounts of a second plane in the area, (2) burning debris falling, (3) debris falling up to 8 miles from the crash site, (4) human remains falling miles from the crash site, and (5) reports from a passenger that an explosion was heard near the plane and white smoke was coming from the plane. Do these facts support early reports that Flight 93 was shot down by a US fighter jet? Could the the terrorists have smuggled in and detonated a bomb? At the least these facts appear to be inconsistent with the leading scenario being played in the media that the plane crashed as a result of a struggle for control on board the doomed flight.

Higher than the sun :)

08:34 / 16.09.01

I duunno. That's part of the problem with being one of the X files/Disinfo Generation.
We no longer trust the news sources.

America will need heroes. The Passangers on Flight 93 will may become heroes albeit posthumously.

14:16 / 16.09.01

Speaking of Disinformation, does anyone know what happened to the disinfo website?

00:58 / 17.09.01

quote:Originally posted by pacha mama:
Speaking of Disinformation, does anyone know what happened to the disinfo website?

I heard from Alex yesterday and their power is down (near "Ground Zero") but should be back up in the near future. They can't stop the future...

as for questioning the news in our x-files/disinfo culture, I can only say that is a good thing. but remember, there are people out there with the truth, we just have to get them to the point where they feel safe to spread the word. i can't even stand watching the corporate media talk about this anymore, it's like watching the Pentagon channel with all their rah-rah let's kill some f&*ckers BS. they shouldn't be trusted anyway.

01:31 / 17.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Monica:
[QB]I duunno. That's part of the problem with being one of the X files/Disinfo Generation.
We no longer trust the news sources.
QB]

i totally agree that flight 93 seems like a plane full of heroes, and when i think that they might have actually wrested control from the hijackers and crashed the plane to save more lives, it is certainly moving.

on the other hand, the conclusions in the article above all come from news sources, each reported in a different local newspaper.

there's certainly nothing wrong with [i]not[/] blindly accepting CNN as gospel. if disinfo x-files and invisibles taught us that "something is fishy" that's the closest thing to the truth we need to know.

Our Lady of The Two Towers

13:34 / 17.09.01

Hmmm, trusting Disinfo, why? Still attached to a major company. Are we more likely to trust them because their CNN will cool graphics?

13:44 / 17.09.01

>>>i totally agree that flight 93 seems like a plane full of heroes, and when i think that they might have actually wrested control from the hijackers and crashed the plane to save more lives, it is certainly moving.<<<

That's the thing that finally broke through my numb shock and made the tears flow.

And flow.

I'm absolutely certain that on Tuesday I saw on several channels that USAF fighter jets were scrambled to take down that plane, and shortly after it was officially reported that the plane was "no longer a threat," which to me sounds obviously euphemistic for "shot down."

And then nothing - no word of it at all since Tuesday which struck me as highly suspicious and more than once made me question my memory of the news report.

My spider-sense is tingling...

09:18 / 18.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Lozt Bookz:
Hmmm, trusting Disinfo, why? Still attached to a major company. Are we more likely to trust them because their CNN will cool graphics?

attached to no other company, for one thing, since metzger took back the company entirely about 6 months ago. when they were attached to another company, it was a tiny, independent firm that completely privately funded and therefore beholden to noone but greg kinerick and his partner. they consistently report way outside consensus news sources and always have an interesting perspective. whether or not you trust them is up to you. though this is way off topic, since they haven't been up since 911.

09:21 / 18.09.01

quote:Originally posted by CameronStewart:
[QB]>>>I'm absolutely certain that on Tuesday I saw on several channels that USAF fighter jets were scrambled to take down that plane, and shortly after it was officially reported that the plane was "no longer a threat," which to me sounds obviously euphemistic for "shot down."[QB]

yeah i remember them saying there were fighter jets trailing a plane headed towards virginia, and simultaneously there seemed to be the reports of the crash -- looking back i can't tell whether those were the same or not. surely, before all the flights got grounded there must have been fighter jets flipping out at various planes, and that may have all been reported in the same way that the various trivial arrests were reported -- bomb-filled truck on the gwb, anyone?

it does make me uneasy though.

whether or not they were shot down, its seems to be the case that passengers found out what was happening via cell phone and said they were going to try to fight. heroic enough right there.

[ 18-09-2001: Message edited by: Mystery Gypt ]

14:16 / 18.09.01

And then there's this -- possibly the "fifth plane":
http://www.bergen.com/news/pacrash2001091455.htm
quoteecker and Chaney described the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings.

"If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt," Decker said. "It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down. If I was the FBI, I'd find out who was driving that plane."