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Sharon Says Israel's Offensive Will End 'Soon'

 
 
FinderWolf
00:06 / 07.04.02
but he doesn't give any kind of timeframe or details. I think he is feeling the pressure from the US and the rest of the international community to stop the killing, though, which is a good thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/04/06/mideast/index.html
 
 
QUINT
16:48 / 07.04.02
Israel's offensive will end when there's no choice, and not before. They're on the up, aren't they? And when Arafat was on the up, he got his enormous willy out and refused a decent peace deal. Now Sharon will do the same. I say we give the whole region to the Nepalese.
 
 
sleazenation
18:50 / 07.04.02
The problem with a negotiated settlement is that it has to be acceptable to both sides.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:56 / 07.04.02
Netenyahu has just come back from the political dead to tell us that we have no right to interfere in what's happening over there because we didn't do anything before the Second World War. Offensive, simplistic and ridiculous in one statement. Well, it saves time. Meanwhile To-nee Blur is making a speech about how we really need to bomb the crap out of Iraq and bring peace to Israel and Palestine. Let's hope the bombers have been told the difference...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:24 / 08.04.02
A gauge of youth mentality in Palestine.

QALANDIYA CAMP, WEST BANK -- They call themselves the Lion Cubs, a gang of Palestinian boys who hang around the entrance to the Qalandiya refugee camp, about 200 metres from the main Israeli checkpoint on the road to Ramallah.

If they don't know you're looking, they seem like any other group of Tom Sawyers, full of innocence and mischief, kicking around the neighbourhood looking for something to do.

Fix your gaze on them, and suddenly they are ready for action, rocks and iron bars in their hands, and what they must think are valiant expressions on their faces.

"We come to liberate Palestinians and protect Yasser Arafat," said 10-year-old Ibrahim in his most serious tone.

The boy's main preoccupation is attacking Israeli army vehicles. "We're waiting for the tanks," said Ahmed, a 12-year-old in a baseball cap. "We will throw stones. We will throw pipes."

"Molotovs," added another boy. "And paint," said another. "When we hit them on the window with paint, they cannot see."

One boy brandished the group's latest trophy, what looked to be the metal grating that protects the windows of Israeli army jeeps. The boys said they knocked it off with rocks. It may seem mock heroics and prepubescent male fantasy until they point out the posters of martyrs, as everyone here calls them: Palestinian boys shot dead in clashes with the Israelis, some of them obviously very young.

Several of the boys in the posters are cousins or brothers of Lion Cubs.

Thirteen-year-old Omar is the leader of the pack, despite his shyness.

"He hit a soldier with two stones," a boy said of Omar, as others nodded. The darkly handsome Omar didn't want to talk about it.

Like all children in the Ramallah area, the boys have been out of school since Israeli troops and tanks moved in more than a week ago. There have been frequent breaks from school since the Palestinian uprising began in September of 2000, but even when school is in session, the gang gets together after hours.

Asked about missing school, a boy named Ayoub replied brightly: "I'd rather be in school; education is the best weapon."

But 13-year-old Salah, the boldest and most gregarious of the bunch, wasn't so sure.

"I don't miss our teachers," he said. "It is wartime and they still hit us."

Salah, who said he tells his mother he is going to his brother's home when he hangs out with the gang, led the group down one of the camp's narrow alleys, hoping to show off another of their haunts: an Internet café.

But no one was surfing the Web this day. Boys were playing video games on one of the computer terminals. A shekel (about 30 cents) buys 15 minutes of game time.

About a dozen children were there, every one of them playing the same game, one called Arab and Jew. It is a graphic war game portraying street combat. The player is armed with an M-16, and the object is to kill the Israeli soldiers (who pop out of doorways) before they kill you. When a soldier is hit, he explodes in a vivid ball of red gore.

"They're training to fight Israel," the proprietor commented.

Around the corner from the café, Salah's family have a small bakery. The boy shares his father's passion for breeding pigeons and proudly showed off the coop they maintain together.

Before the intifada, his father, Abu Ali, worked at the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, for 12 years, tending the rose garden.

When asked how he feels about his son hanging around with the Lion Cubs, Abu Ali reacted with startling swiftness, slapping Salah across the face with the back of his hand.

"He won't listen to me," complained Salah's mother, as he looked on with a slight smirk on his face. She said he had already been picked up and roughed up by Israeli soldiers three times. "I know he's going to get shot. I beat him all the time. What else can I do?"

Inside the family's small concrete home, however, there were other signals of the family's feelings about Salah and his precocious militancy.

One photograph shows him holding a Palestinian flag; in another, he holds a full-scale model of a Kalashnikov rifle in his arms as he stands before a backdrop of the World Trade Center in New York.

"I can't wait to be 20," Salah said happily when his parents were out of earshot, "so I can blow myself up."
 
 
QUINT
14:04 / 08.04.02
Is there something special about 20?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:08 / 08.04.02
I couldn't tell you. As far as I'm aware age of majority rules do not apply to explosive self immolation.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:51 / 08.04.02
Lots of articles today with comments by Sharon about getting rid of the Palestinian Authority. Wasn't the PA set up by Israel? Wasn't Arafat elected back in the early 90s to lead the PA? I may be wrong on both points, but . It seems to be getting worse. Was this what the 70s were like in the Mid-east?
 
 
Hieronymus
17:07 / 08.04.02
Quote: Was this what the 70s were like in the Mid-east?

It's certainly getting there.

Israel called up additional reserve units to serve near the border Monday and sent warplanes over Lebanon, where they broke the sound barrier over the capital, Beirut — a familiar move at times of heightened tension between the neighbors.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
23:03 / 08.04.02
At twenty he will be a "man"
When He attacks troops his father won't back hand him anymore.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
01:27 / 09.04.02
Wow. That article is the reason that peace is the only option. As an American I can remember seeing 'Red Dawn', a movie about an invasion of the USA by the USSR. Of course it was a remote possibility as the Soviets were rotting from within throughout the late '80s; but if there had been an invasion of my country, at that age, I would have been one of those kids too.

I really liked war too. Sadly, hearing kids talk about it that way can really fuck a brother up.
 
 
Baz Auckland
21:34 / 09.04.02
Sharon Says Israel's Offensive Will Not End Soon

Goddamn it. They've killed approx. 200 (was it?) in the last 10 days... ever think that this will create more people willing to fight and bomb than if they left the West Bank in the first place?
 
 
Hieronymus
16:54 / 10.04.02
Interesting article on the inside track of the current hawk vs. dove machinations going on within the current Bush administration.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:56 / 10.04.02
israel will stop attacking palastine at about the same time we are done with afghanistan
when it is a pock marked and broken country

I am disgusted that ANYONE who approved of our attacks in afghanistan can claim some kind of superiority when it comes to the israel/palastine issues.

As a pretty reformed jew i try hard not to be a zionist because i dont agree with the way israel handles most situations, but when the US got all kinds of crap for bombing during ramadan and then people want to say israel should not retaliate to mass murder on passover, i want to puke
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:52 / 10.04.02
Sexton Blake makes a very good point:
Israel's offensive will end when there's no choice, and not before. They're on the up, aren't they?

He goes on to say:
And when Arafat was on the up, he got his enormous willy out and refused a decent peace deal.

This story that Arafat wantonly dismissed the gorgeous, fluffy deal Ehud Barak offered him in the dying days of the Clinton administration has enjoyed great currency, but it's not what happened. Very good article (I thought) on the subject in the Guardian today David Clark

Barak proposed a Palestinian state based on 91% of the West Bank, ... but carved into three chunks, surrounded by Israeli troops and settlers, without direct access to its own international borders.

The land-swap [proposed took] prime agricultural land in the West Bank in return for stretches of desert adjacent to the Gaza Strip that Israel currently uses for toxic waste dumping.

Barak offered the trappings of Palestinian sovereignty while perpetuating the subjugation of the Palestinians. It is not difficult to see why they felt unable to accept. The only surprise is how widely the myth of the "generous offer" is now accepted.


The man has a point, I think.

&, as heterodox' post demonstrates, the necessary winning of hearts and minds which will be needed to forge a peace is getting daily more remote as Sharon's tanks maraud through Palestinian towns and refugee camps. He's stoking up even greater terrors to come down the line.

The people of Israel, naturally scarred and scared by the suicide bombings, don't seem to be computing that there is no conceivable way this campaign can improve their national security. Then again, any idea of a nation or of "national security" has been mythic to the Palestinians for fifty years.
 
 
sleazenation
20:17 / 10.04.02
so what WOULD it take to force military intevention against israel? (i know its not going to happen - but..) Sharon pissing on the head of the last palestinian baby while he has her parent shot? Could the israli's get away with a holocaust against the palestinians? as the world looked on?
 
  
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