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Britain, now the 51st State?

 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:53 / 15.09.01
I'm kidding, of course... but having seen quite a bit of footage of Tony Blair speaking, British parliament, and the church service at St. Paul's Cathedral, it seems as though the British government is acting as though they are suddenly American too... seeing Blair get far more worked up over 'the freedom of America' than any American politician that I've seen on TV is quite a bit much...the British reaction to this is far beyond that of any other country in the world... Have those of you in the UK noticed this? How do you feel about it?

[ 15-09-2001: Message edited by: Flux = R to the Izz-ad ]
 
 
Ganesh
09:56 / 15.09.01
A little like Dennis Skinner (MP), who today, in Parliament, suggest that Blair may wish to qualify his support for 'whatever Bush does' in light of the latter's apparent penchant for hiding in bunkers, in Nebraska.
 
 
000
09:56 / 15.09.01
Maybe its time for you to find out why not only the UK but Israel as well are showing the same behaviour.
Maybe its time for you look it up as to why Blair is talking like this maybe its time for some uncensored political news. The USA/UK/ISRAEL/HOLLAND are one. Since the beginning of times until their end of times.
 
 
Ganesh
09:56 / 15.09.01
Yeah, whatever.
 
 
Enamon
09:56 / 15.09.01
Heh, I say us Americans should start refering to the U.K. as "The colonies".

 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
09:56 / 15.09.01
Ah, but you're forgetting that Canada is already the 51st state. Over here we haven't seen much of Tony Blair getting patriotic for the stars and stripes, but there's plenty of patriotism coming from our government. I'll bet it's the same in many western nations.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:56 / 15.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
A little like Dennis Skinner (MP), who today, in Parliament, suggest that Blair may wish to qualify his support for 'whatever Bush does' in light of the latter's apparent penchant for hiding in bunkers, in Nebraska.

...and is being almost universally (and unjustly) slated for it by pretty much every section of the UK press...
also check the reaction to the BBC's having the sheer audactiy to show "Question Time" (a discussion programme) which- wait for it- contained some sentiments hostile to US foreign policy. (Hmmm... is it just me, or if everyone on the show just goes along with the government line does that kind of negate the term "discussion"?)
Personally, I'm not entirely sure yet what my stance on what should be done IS, but I resent being co-opted by Tony Blair into a nation that stands behind ANYTHING.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:56 / 15.09.01
I don't know, actually. It may have been a very astute move. What viewers in the US will remember is Blaire and the UK standing right there, immediately, no questions asked...family-type trust and support. Which was probably the only appropriate response in the first instance, and certainly the only politically acceptable one.

Which might, stress 'might', make it possible for Blaire to inject some caution into the mix later, where a slower and more measured response could have put him on the outside, as an ally, but not an insider.

Just a thought.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:00 / 15.09.01
That's been suggested quite a bit over the last few days. Seems like a pretty astute move, if you believe that Bush is going to give a shit about what anyone else thinks.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:05 / 15.09.01
Huh. And now Russia...total support...but not if you want to invade Afghanistan...

How odd.
 
 
BAFM
00:24 / 16.09.01
Paddy Pants-down talked reasonably on Question Time - no hysteria or anything...

Pretty rare in this current climate

Seems to me Blair was more or less saying, "Go ahead, Bush, smite those unrightious mountebanks..." Like as if the US needs British permission to anything on the "World Stage." It should also be considered that when the US acts with the UK's blessing, there's a certain amount of gravitas (acceptibility?) added to that particular recourse... Anyone remember the Gulf "War"?

Fucking "Special Relationship" my arse! The US looks to the UK for the general backing of the EC - you scratch my back, etc
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:53 / 16.09.01
quote:Wembly said:
Ah, but you're forgetting that Canada is already the 51st state. Over here we haven't seen much of Tony Blair getting patriotic for the stars and stripes, but there's plenty of patriotism coming from our government. I'll bet it's the same in many western nations.



Canada is not the 51st state. There is a BIG diffrence in raising flags in a show of support and raising them as a patriotic duty.
Hell I was even tempted to put out a RW in show of support. DO I support the people? Yes! Their goverment. NO WAY IN HELL!! If you watch Newsworld you see they showed alot of Tony Blair being supportive. The damn Queen even had the American National Anthem played during the changing of the guards.


There's a damn big diffrence between showing support to our neighbours to the south and bowing down to get on our knees to kiss their asses.


Canada = America's 51st comments piss me off.
nothing personal though.

[ 16-09-2001: Message edited by: kegboy ]
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
04:18 / 16.09.01
from the very well prduced NATO site: http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

quote: Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.


[ 16-09-2001: Message edited by: Morocco Mole ]
 
 
Cherry Bomb
05:26 / 16.09.01
I will say that here in the US we are all very touched by the show of support we have gotten at least in terms of civillians dead from around the world.

Let's put it this way: when Fidel Castro says he will support the U.S., as an American, you think, "Wow. This is a big deal."

Here in America, we have all had the collective shit scared out of us this week. I think, for me anyway, last night was the night it finally became real that this happened.

What REALLY scares me is that I can see that that this leading to a world war. Not something I want at all. But I don't see, as someone who is just guessing how my military thinks, any way out of this other than strongarming (I mean, hey, I know how my government acts even under most circumstances) all countries to "take sides."

There's no way (that I see anyway) for the U.S. to "win" this other than engaging in a world war. And that, to me, is absolutely terrifying.

But I must say here in the U.S., on another level, my friends and I have been bawling like every day when we see the shows of sympathy from other country for those killed in these attacks. But as I said earlier, this horrible event adds a personal element (for we americans) not just to this bombing, but for other tragedies accross the globe.

At least, that's how I feel.
 
 
RadJose
05:49 / 16.09.01
did i miss something? castro is in our court? huh?
 
  
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