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OK - how did I wind up here? Two interesting experiences...

 
 
Seth
13:17 / 30.03.02
Here’s two interesting experiences I’ve had recently, one demonstrating some spectacular beginner’s luck, and one demonstrating how stupid you can be when you feel like you’re on a roll. Comments and advice from all and sundry would be appreciated...

To give a bit of background, I’ve been doing a lot of dreamwork recently, reading up on it from as many angles as possible (mainly Jung, La Berge and Moss, as well as looking at my dreams within a shamanic framework through some help from the wise and patient Mr Tuppan, as well as reading a bit of Harner). I’ve had a number of experiences or dreams that have had profound psychological benefits, been of a prophetic nature, or fitted more comfortably within what little I understand of shamanic experience. I’ve also had a number of friends seem to gravitate towards me for the interpretation of their dreams.

My first recent experience involved a friend who had been ill for a number of weeks with a severe cold/flu type bug. During this time she had recurring dreams that were infested with small yellow dogs with bared teeth. Although they were not overtly dangerous, they were irritating and were in her way in her dreams. I surmised that they were a dream representation of her illness. As I drifted off to sleep last Sunday I found myself visualising myself in her dream, surrounded by these little dogs (found myself is the correct term - I hadn’t consciously incubated this experience, nor was I truly asleep. It seemed to come unbidden, when the time was right). I reached down and grabbed one of them, tearing its innards out, and as I did this the action sympathetically effected all the others. The scene was filled with dead dogs covered in blood, their guts stringing out from gaping abdominal wounds. Then a huge surge of pure spring water washed the entire area of the corpses. They were washed into a furnace and cremated. I then spent the next few minutes physically exhaling in ordinary reality, as though I were exhaling the smoke and their ashes, fanning the fumes away from my face so as not to inhaled what I’d breathed out.

The second case is me being really dumb and arrogant. I have a friend who’s going through a nasty bout of depression, who has also been sharing her dreams with me. I thought it would be good to incubate an a journey into their dream environment, to see if I could physically interact with the symbols in order to gain more insight. I had a sneaking suspicion that the events of their dream (without going into specifics) indicated that a soul retrieval was necessary. So, like a twat, I thought I’d investigate.

I entered the dream environment pretty easily through directing my hypnogogic imagery (I had been to this place in ordinary reality, so it wasn’t hard to visualise the slightly different version she had dreamed of). I was accompanied by a guide who I’ve encountered several times in dreams (curious but decent fellow. Is definitely a kind of teacher, only communicates in gestures rather than spoken language). I located what I thought might be the soul fragment using a woodblock instrument he’d given me in an earlier encounter - when I played it seemed to reveal hidden things in the area. I pursued what seemed to be the fragment into an immense field of grey/white light. It was no longer moving, but imprisoned in a cage made out of fire. A man stood next to the cage - his appearance was like a mutual friend, who had appeared in my friend’s dream as a teacher/benign presence. I questioned him at this point, as to whether I was able to open the cage. He smiled but did not answer. The cage door swung open at will to reveal an empty space inside. The man said “There’s nothing there,” and for a second I believed him. I used the woodblock again, and it revealed what appeared to be the fragment inside the cage. In that split second, the effect of the instrument also cast the man’s face in another light: he seemed for a second twisted and deformed. I knew something was very wrong.

I reached inside the cage and passed the soul fragment to my guide, who quickly vanished to a safer place. I knew the man was not what he appeared to be - there was something vile about him, not at all like the teacher that my friend had dreamed about. I quickly visualised something I could use as a weapon: my djembe was the first thing that sprang to mind, and it appeared in non-ordinary reality as a kind of directed energy weapon. I fired at the man, who stood his ground with a kind of strained expression on his face. I thought for a second that my attack was working, but then became aware of black tendrils reaching towards me from him. They had the appearance of living smoke, which entered my mouth and nose. I physically had a gagging reflex which lasted about thirty seconds (not pleasant!), in time calming my body into a more controlled rhythm of exhalation, getting rid of the smoke from my body. When I was more centred I realised I was now locked inside the fiery cage. Thankfully, I didn’t panic: I called upon Jesus to help me, seizing the cross that I keep beside my bed. A glowing golden cross appeared in non-ordinary reality, and a figure unlocked the cage and led me back to the place where I’d first entered the dreamscape. My guide was waiting there, his hands empty - the soul fragment (or whatever it was. I’m increasingly thinking it was just bait for the foolish amateur) was no longer there.

Of course, the first example is a pretty text-book account of dealing with a harmful intrusion. What interests me is the compulsion I had to act - this wasn’t something I had planned, more something that came very naturally. In case you were wondering, my friend is now much better - she didn’t dream of the dogs again, and is almost completely well (although the symptoms persisted for a couple of days).

I was woefully and obviously underqualified to even begin to attempt a soul retrieval, especially in the case of a persistent depression. What a tit. I don’t know whether I ran up against the real spiritual forces that may be at work in my friend’s illness, or just met some opportunistic nasties who happened to latch onto my naiveté. I think my guide left me to my own devices so I could learn a powerful lesson.

Lastly, I’ve had a recurring cough for the last seven or eight years, as well as experiencing dry heaving and seemingly causeless vomiting. These experiences over the last few days have made me wonder whether what seemed to be ailments were actually a preparation for shamanic work, or a kind of natural instinct coming to bear. Bouts of coughing and vomiting have certainly been connected to spiritual purges in the past that I can remember.

It’s a funny old life isn’t it? I’m not sure how this humble God-botherer wound up here, trying to integrate all these new experiences into my existing faith. I’ve not been managing badly so far... it’s just that these experiences have surprised me by their unpredictability and vividness, as well as relation to events in ordinary reality (in the first instance, the person who had the flu believes I cured her). Well, any further advice or insights into either of these experiences would be greatly appreciated, as well as methods for protecting myself in future.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:18 / 30.03.02
Both of your experiences are very powerful and good teachings in their own way. One Caveat I would mention would be to make sure that publically posting these experiences, or sharing them with me or anyone else privately, is cool with your Ally and God. I've found that some things that I didn't think were a big deal, my allies do NOT want shared. Now that the disclaimer is out of the way...

The biggest difference to me between the two experiences was that in the first you had managed to act from a place without your ego manifesting. You visualized helping your friend but you hadn't prejudged and diagnosed the situation until you were in it.

With the second, your ego had determined that a soul retrieval was necessary and you operated on that assumption before a proper diagnosis could be performed. This is a great lesson (and one that all shamanic practitioners go through). What could have made a difference would have been to ask your ally something like "I think a soul retrieval is needed but I'm not sure. How can I best help my friend with hir depression?"

Doing this kind of work takes a strange fusion of humility as well as self-assuredness in the moment. One of the things that traditional drumming, chanting, dancing, and other ritual activities does is help the practitioner get out of the way of hir ego so that the work can be done from that place of humility.


Of course, the first example is a pretty text-book account of dealing with a harmful intrusion. What interests me is the compulsion I had to act - this wasn’t something I had planned, more something that came very naturally. In case you were wondering, my friend is now much better - she didn’t dream of the dogs again, and is almost completely well (although the symptoms persisted for a couple of days).


That's a good example of how you naturally and spontaneously got out of your own way and did the work necessary.

While you definitely did shamanic healing and attacked the spiritual element of her disease (the part that wasn't being addressed by western medicine) it (I'm nitpicking now) wasn't technically an intrusion. At least not how is is commonly used in modern shamanic and neo-shamanic circles.

An intrusion usually needs to be 'extracted' by sucking or by cutting and then removing the intrusion. It is usually localized to a certain area of the physical as well as spiritual body and that localized area is often where it entered the body. The shaman is not removing a physical object (even though that has been traditionally part of the 'theatrical' aspect in many cultures) but is physically sucking a spiritual element from the body. This may seem weird but it really isn't very differnt from doing energy work on a chakra point or even doing accupressure or other work where the physical and energetic aspects are linked.

I once had an intrusion in my wrist that entered my body when I took a nasty fall (sent by an acquaintance that was jealous and mad at me). A few months later it still hurt like hell. Doctors couldn't find any problems as the physical aspect of my injury had healed, strengthening theraputic exercises weren't helping and I was beginning to worry. A week or so after my last disheartening doctor's appointment I was drumming for a shamanic session. The shaman I was drumming for in the middle of the session turned to me, made me put down the drum and removed the intrusions from my arm that she saw as 5 or 6 long rods in my wrist. Within a day or so my arm felt perfectly right again.

Your friend's illness may have been an intrusion (in that it was an invading infection of some kind that 'intruded' on her being) but it may have also had other spiritual origins and causes.

The important thing though is that you successfully addressed the imbalance and she is feeling better. That's damn fine work.

To follow up with her and to maybe see if there is a continuing reason for the spiritual element of her disease, it may be prudent to dream/journey to your ally and see if there is more info regarding her situation or if there is anything she needs to do to prevent this from recurring.

All in all, great work my friend.
 
 
Seth
08:57 / 31.03.02
Cheers, Lothar. I considered keeping the details to myself, and to that end I left out all the specifics of the second story. But you’re right - I should ask first. My desire to get a bit of help overrode my caution. Thanks for the correction on terminology, too. I think I will get the chance for some follow up work - I’ll see later today.

Secondly, I’m not sure whether I should be involved with further investigations with the second example (unless it’s made very clear to me that I should proceed). It’s a complicated relationship and I don’t think it’s my place to go any further than give some advice on dream interpretation.

Here’s a question: I wouldn’t mind checking in with my djembe just to make sure he’s OK after the experience. Are there any recommended techniques for communicating with the spirits of objects/tools/instruments? He’s a good friend, and I’d hate to see him suffer.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:11 / 03.04.02

Here’s a question: I wouldn’t mind checking in with my djembe just to make sure he’s OK after the experience. Are there any recommended techniques for communicating with the spirits of objects/tools/instruments? He’s a good friend, and I’d hate to see him suffer.


Different practitioners will have different ways of doing this but my way would be to first cleanse my drum with a favorite cleansing incense/smoke (for me usually either copal or white sage... in a situation like that I would tend towards sage)and then I would drum and journey to the spirit of the drum using the Djembe.

Maybe free jam or play whatever rhytms you like in order to loosen up and start to shift consciousness. Then when you are ready to start journeying shift to a rhythm such as the base rhythm for Zebola (a very common healing rhythm from the Congo. It is also quite common in West African drumming as well as Congolese) which is a simple 3/6 rhythm of base-tone-tone/base-slap-slap with a hand sticking of right-left-right/left-right-left respectively.

Zebola, as I mentioned above, a traditional healing rhythm with usually three or four Djembe parts, a solo, and the Djun-Djun part. The simple rhythm I wrote above is the first of the Djembe parts and is the backbone 'base' rhythm of the piece. It is a very easy rhythm to get into muscle memory and to then trance out on.

If I either didn't explain Zebola well enough or if it doesn't feel right to you a simple 4/4 beat or a 3/6 beat at about 4 beats per second should work pretty well.

Once you start trancing out on the rhythm, start 'talking' to your drum through the rhythm. Check in with it and make sure that it's ok and just have fun jamming with it. If you've never talked with the spirit of your drum before, take notice of any specific traits and forms it may take. Get to know it a little better.

Also, something which may be a bit much for you, is that certain West African and Congolese traditions have it that 'feeding' the drum is a good way to keep them healthy and happy. Putting out a plate of food and/or drink near the 'mouth' of the drum (the hollow base) is one way they do this. But I don't think it's necessary if you think it's over the top.
 
 
Seth
22:42 / 03.04.02
Cheers, and I don't think it's over the top at all. I think it's a beautiful tradition - one I've heard of before and will do this very evening. I'll also have a chance to try out that rhythm early next week...

Another question... I've found that a lot of congregational worship (not just in my church) works around 3/6 or 6/8 patterns overlaid on 4/4, or certain rhythms in four that pulse off the beat to create a sixish feeling. I get the impression that there's something special about this, but I know next to nothing of traditional music forms (only that it seems to crop up a lot in African music). Any thoughts on why that might be?
 
 
Wyrd
23:02 / 03.04.02
I've been very busy for the past few weeks, and had very little chance to read Barbelith - now with its new look - so I've come to this a bit late.

I think a lot of what Lothar said about the experiences is good advice. The difference between the two experiences is what your intent was each time. As Lothar points out, you acted spontaneously in the first incidence, and in the second one you went in for a look with an assumption about what you would find. The other thing is - from what you said - that you did so without the person's permission.

There are two sides of the debate about whether permission is necessary from someone in order to do some healing, but generally part of the healing process is that the patient goes to the healer and asks for help. Often without that step the patient will just get sick again, because they actually want or need their illness, and your work will be for naught. Acting without permission is something to be considered before you leap into the fray, even if you decide to do so anyway.

Regarding the person in the second journey. Well, I could posit a number of ideas about that, but generally when I don't know what's what I go off and ask one of my Guides/Allies/etc. I'm sure you'll get the information you're looking for about the significance of the encounter. Though it sounds to me like you've already learned a couple of valuable lessons.

I think you need to consider a bit more about the issues with the dry heaving and the attack the boyo tried on you. To be honest, it sounds like there is a certain weakness in your throat area and this guy instinctively noticed this and literally went for the jugular. I think you should consider getting healing in that area, or at least doing some diganostic work yourself on the area. Perhaps even some divination work from a friend might give you some ideas.

the throat area is very much connected to issues of communication. Have there been times in the past when you stifled yourself (either expressing yourself vocally or creatively) out of fears of being misunderstood, or because you've been silenced by people before? Dry heaving indicates a need to get something out, and that could be a lot of things. Just a couple of things to consider.

Good luck.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
23:03 / 03.04.02
I don't know enough about musicology to really put forth an educated opinion about cross-cultural 'worship' music.

I do know that West African music, whether it be spiritual (like Zebola), agricultural (there are lots of harvest rhythms), or social (like circumcision rhythms), has a bunch of 3/6 and other rhythms that are considered unusual by 'western' music.

Why this is, would take someone more versed in the study of the music than I am. I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with the dancing that goes along with it though. West African drumming is specifically designed to accompany the dancers who in a lot of cases lead the drumming. Without the dancing, the song isn't really complete.

Maybe it's that in a culture where people dance, drum, and sing continually from adolescence to old age, 4/4 rhythms are just to simple and boring.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
23:12 / 03.04.02
Damn good advice from Wyrd's way concerning your throat issues expressionless.

I'm assuming that western medicine hasn't been able to isolate the cause of your coughing/vomiting. In my experience when you have strong physical symptoms that are mystifying to an MD there's a good chance there is a serious 'spiritual' cause.
 
 
grant
14:14 / 04.04.02
Expressionless: PM me your address - I've got a xeroxed article on Yoruba religious drumming with rhythms written out in charts and stuff. Betty woo sent it to me. You'll probably get a lot more out of it than I did.
 
 
cusm
16:35 / 04.04.02
the base rhythm for Zebola which is a simple 3/6 rhythm of base-tone-tone/base-slap-slap with a hand sticking of right-left-right/left-right-left respectively.

Aah, that's what that is! My Djembe taught me that one a little after it was "woken up" in a voodoo ceremony this winter. I've been jamming on that and variants of it for awhile now. Nice to know where it came from.

I'm a bit young with drumming, and lacking teachers I can see more than a couple of times a year I fake it as best as I can through channeling to learn rhythms. Problem is, doing it that way, you miss specifics like oh, names and such.

Thanks Lothar
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
21:25 / 05.04.02
No problem.

The cool thing is that even though Zebola is a 'living' rhythm in that there are subtle differences between villages and changes that happen over time, that base rhythm is the same. At least in the 5 or 6 different versions I've encountered. The other Djembe parts or the Solo, etc. might vary but that same 'base-tone-tone/base-slap-slap' part is constant.

Maybe there are versions that I haven't heard where that changes. Or maybe it's the same because it works and is the heart of the rhythm.

I think it's pretty cool that your drum taught it to you.
 
 
Seth
03:41 / 06.04.02
Thank you very much for all your help, everyone. In particular Wyrd - I'm intrigued to look into the problems relating to my throat in more depth. I've been reading a few western interpolations of Tibetan dream yoga techniques, and they also mention that the throat chakra is the one most associated with dreaming, regulating sleep and wakefulness (it's syllable - "ah" - is asociated with creation). Forgive the rudimentary knowledge. It seems too much of a coincidence that I have had ongoing, unexplained problems in connection with that part of my body.
 
  
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