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the creative process?

 
 
Trijhaos
00:58 / 15.02.02
Do you have particular process you go through when you write? Do you sit down, figure out who your characters are, the plot of the story, and the like, or do you just sit down and free write and hope something coherent comes out of it?
 
 
matsya
01:54 / 15.02.02
I usually find it more helpful if I've got at least SOME idea where things are going, if not a complete outline in mind before I embark on a writing project. If I get to a point where I feel like I'm not sure what should happen next, I tend to stop and go back to thinking-plotting mode.

that's not to say that spurting something out on the spur of the moment doesn't work.

m.
 
 
The Monkey
02:08 / 15.02.02
as mostly a writer of sci-fi/speculative/fantasy [if not writing papers for a class or letters, which actually absorbs the bulk of my creative energy] and humorous pieces usually my best ideas occur in three situations:
- just before bed, when i'm half asleep and make odd associations/interchanges that lead to plot frameworks and character paradigms.
- when i'm having a relatively free-form conversation, such as on this board. invariably someone will say something, or i will, that will project me off on a new line of thought, entirely off topic, and i'll feel the itch to flesh it out.
- i read some tiny factoid of obscure info that sets off a chain of creative improvisation. for example, right now i'm toying with figuring out the significance of
Buffalo Bill Cody being a 29th-degree Mason...any piece of information that strange has to have a story.

usually the first ideas i get are either for a milieu--a novel premise of a cultural structure or situation--or for a conceptual paradigm to investigate within a plot framework. an example of the latter would be my recent preoccupation with re-casting myths to provide commentary on modern issues of personal identity, etc.
protagonists and sundry cast usually flow out of the intersection of the former, although sometimes i get an idea for a character that amuses me so much that i start trying to assemble a fictional world for them to interact with.
most times i become bogged down in detail during this "set-up" process, trying to flesh out the backdrop to infinite detail...i think it's my anthropology background bleeding into the creative process....
 
 
the Fool
02:25 / 15.02.02
Nick (I think it was Nick) posted a method used by Jeff Noons that I thought was pretty cool and used myself with interesting results. Write a page or two of stuff that's straight off the top of your head. Don't write a story, just words, ideas, images, funky slogans, and don't stop. Then take this page of stuff and use it as the base material for the story or whatever...
 
 
Ariadne
07:40 / 15.02.02
I tend to start with a little kernel, just a base idea - maybe a few words that will then spark off a whole story.

And then I let it kind of cook at the back of my head until suddenly it's ready and the words are all fizzing up in my head - and I have to sit down and write it. That might give me a paragraph, the start of the story or even the whole thing. And it usually comes together at the most inconvenient moments!

That's how it goes until I have the whole thing together, and then I'll start rewrites.
 
 
Sax
07:50 / 15.02.02
Wow, Ariadne, I follow exactly the same process. Especially with novels. I tend to get the germ of what the chapter is about, then just sit on it, sometimes for a couple of weeks. Even when I'm not consciously turning it over in my head, I must be furiously thinking about it in some corner of my mind because suddenly it hits me smack in the face and it's practically full-formed, and I have to sit down and just whack it out, usually in one sitting of straight typing.

It's kind of like Kerouac's spontaneous prose method, only not so spontaneous, I suppose.

My main problem is I can't do rewrites. I always think what I've written is so fucking perfect I refuse to touch it. Which is often my downfall.
 
 
Ariadne
07:58 / 15.02.02
I'm loath to rewrite myself (I know what you mean about thinking 'this is perfect!') but after a day or two I can see it afresh and see what needs done. I do tend to overwrite in the first draft.
I'm not really changing the story, just tightening, but it makes a big difference.
 
 
Sax
08:03 / 15.02.02
As far as plotting goes, especially with a longer work, I initially identify main "peaks" or major events in the story, such as twists, cliff-hangers, denouements etc, then make notes on the individual chapters in between. These can be quite detailed, or as sparse as: "Peter's mother is diagnosed with breast cancer."

As to characters, they're generally well formed before I start (they have conversations in my head) but then they develop throughout the narrative - as they should.
 
 
Ariadne
08:07 / 15.02.02
Yeah, I suppose I do the same - I know that I want this, that and the next thing to happen but I leave the bits in between to work themselves out.

God, I want to go home and write now, instead of editing stories about Microsoft....
 
 
deja_vroom
08:07 / 15.02.02
Sax and Ariadne: Re: rewriting:

I rewrite ALL the time. Everytime I start working, I usually go back, like, 4-5 pages and rewrite my way to the point in which I'll start working. I rewrite and rewrite everytime that I can (when I'm not "feeling" like writing anything new to the story I rewrite all that I can).
I usually write down the main scenes first, and then start writing the connections between them. Usually I don't have the lesser idea of how something wiil happen. It all comes to me seconds before striking the keys, actually. When I'm on a roll I get a lot of nice possibilities to make the ends meet. It's not the most organized way of working, but...

As for characters, I know everything about three or two of the main ones, but as for the others, they keep evolving by themselves. For instance, there is this young fisherman who was created to be a comic relief, kinda of a sancho panza-like sidekick who just won't let me make a coward of him...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:07 / 15.02.02
I'm pretty sure I spend more time re-writing than plain writing.

Except here on Barbelith, where I tend to let my hair down, and not much gets rewritten except when I realise I've spelled 'discrete' wrong again.
 
 
Ariadne
08:07 / 15.02.02
Working as an editor has helped me a lot in terms of rewriting, I think. I try to see my own work as though it were someone else's and be just as tough - in fact more so - in terms of cutting out all the extraneous crap that's crept in.
My word count goes down and down and down, which can be dispiriting! But what's left is much better.
 
 
Sax
08:07 / 15.02.02
How do people handle research? Do you do it all before you start writing, so you've got any facts and figures at hand/firmly embedded in your head, or do you wait until you're at the point in the narrative where you need to look something up?

I do the latter, but I wish I did the former. Like with my latest project, I had to read up loads on breast enlargement surgery and breast cancer, and it's such a wide topic I ground to a halt on the actual writing front for a long spell.
 
 
Ariadne
08:07 / 15.02.02
I've tended to do research as I go along, but then I've tended to stick to subjects I know well, so far, and any research was on small things. For example, for a recent story I needed to know how to go about putting up a shelf, and so I found it out when I needed it.
I've never written anything (yet) that needed extensive research. But thinking about it, it would be quite a good challenge - and I imagine you'd get lots of creative sparks while doing it. Either that or end up bored with the whole idea.
 
 
Persephone
08:07 / 15.02.02
<grin>

S'funny, Nick, the number of times that you reference possible spelling errors in your posts, it's like the textual equivalent of those chemical tags they're supposed to put in plastic explosives. And your spelling is fine.

(Writing for the doghouse here... I woke up for some reason at 5:20 and per usual started talking immediately & have been banished to the couch.)

I used to write with a lot of confidence and control, like the way young skaters skate when it's not in their heads that falling can happen.

After the fall... well, to go back one step, until you are actually lucky enough to *get* an editor, you have to be your own editor and a writer at the same time & that's a very tricky balance. My inner editor turned into a raging monster and my writer-self into a wraith.

So nowadays, the writer-self gets verry pampered... only write when I hear the sentences in my head, do something else when I don't. And the key difference, after the fall, is that when I write now I have this sort of blind feeling, like, you lower yourself down a rope into a hole, grope around, grab something, and come up top to see what the hey it is. And so far, this works for me.

And --I feel a bit like a cripple now, but it's okay-- I rely very much on other people than myself. In theater, directors and actors and so forth will do a lot of snip and tuck. That's my way of displacing the editor inside, outside.
 
 
deja_vroom
17:03 / 18.02.02
A-hurrm... Just wanted to say that... I finished it [the book]. Yes, I did. I finished a project once in my life, dammit!
So I'll be using a little bit more of this sort of smilies and of this one , and even of this one for a while.

*does little dance*
 
 
gridley
19:03 / 18.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Impostor de Jade:
A-hurrm... Just wanted to say that... I finished it [the book]. Yes, I did. I finished a project once in my life, dammit!
So I'll be using a little bit more of this sort of smilies and of this one , and even of this one for a while.

*does little dance*


wow, huge congratulations, Jade!!! That is awesome.

Since I have three half-finished (and doomed to stay that way) novels wasting away in my hard drive, I am triply impressed.

How about treating us to a little of it (maybe an opening page or two?) here on Barbelith?
 
 
deja_vroom
00:52 / 19.02.02
I'd love to, mate, but it's written in POrtuguese, and I would have to go through great pains to translate it faithfully to ENglish... But I'll see what I can do...
Thank you
 
  
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