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The ethics of stealing people's lives

 
 
Ethan Hawke
10:49 / 17.12.01
I'm trying to get myself started on a major writing project, and an acquaintance of mine seems like a SUPER character to use in it. I feel uncomfortable using all of his life experiences though, but they all fit so wonderfully together it would be a shame to make him into a composite character. What do people feel about writing thinly-veiled versions of people they know? Anyone have any experience with someone recognizing themselves in your writing?

Also, similarly - what are the issues in writing a main character whose ethnicity/race is different than your own? Is it possible to treat this subject fairly without coopting it?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:54 / 17.12.01
Just a thought: have you seen Deconstructing Harry?

Other than that, I don't know if I have anything helpful to offer...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:46 / 17.12.01
Hmm. Are you going to let the guy know about it if you do go ahead? I think the most ethically dodgy thing would be to use him as a character and not let him know or object.

Obviously, if he does object, you don't have to listen - anything you see or know, unless libellous, is pretty much fair game I reckon.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:00 / 17.12.01
I don't know if I would tell him. Some of the things that are intriguing about him I may not be able to portray in a flattering way. For instance, his belief that aliens built the great pyramids because they were trapped on earth because the atmosphere is too heavy. Or the way his girlfriend used/uses him as an emotional crutch. He's such a sweet kid though; I don't know him too well but I love him to death. The reason I kind of want to use his life as a template because I want to do something dealing with the WTC disaster, and wouldn't you know, he worked in the Trade Center and called in sick on September 11th. He worked on the 86th floor of the 2nd tower, so it was conceivable he could have been killed by the plane if not the collapse. He obviously has a severe case of the "survivor's guilt" most New Yorkers (including to some degree myself) are carrying around, and combined with his attraction to these sort of pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories makes him an ideal character to explore how people deal with these situations.

I suppose I will end up compositing these and other traits with someone else if I ever decide to work on this project, but I just wanted to hear other people's experiences dealing with similar issues.
 
 
Logos
22:44 / 17.12.01
If you really want to use a heavy amount of this guy's life, but he might not like to be recognized, I'd suggest you do what Anne Lamotte says to do in such situations: change him utterly in ways that don't affect your story. Make him a woman. Make him old if he's young. Give him totally false, completely compelling physical characteristics (a third arm, irresistable genitalia), have him come from some interesting and unconventional locality.

Then surround him with characters that bear no relation to anyone you know.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:54 / 21.12.01
Actually - take a look at the Jack Fear in Papers thread. Apparently Jack owns the copyright to his story despite the fact that it is explicitly based on the actions of a real-life couple who were not named, but who were also (presumably) not asked for their permission or informed that the story would be published.

The ethics of the above seem to be acceptable - so I'd go ahead and do whatever you like with the character based on this guy. Have a look at the thread and see what you think.
 
 
Ria
20:12 / 21.12.01
<thread rot>

has anyone read the Chester Brown autobio story where Chester bites the guy on the hand?

apparently the guy Chester bit reportedly read the story but "probably didn't recognize himself".

uh-huh. so people bite him on the hand all the time.

if so he must live an interesting life.

</thread rot>

[ 21-12-2001: Message edited by: Ria ]
 
 
Rev. Orr
01:18 / 22.12.01
I recently wrote a play in which the central character was heavily based on myself, mainly because I'm lazy, but also to prevent some other bastard getting cast in the main role. So far so good, the problem arose because of one plot thread in the piece which an ex of mine thought was about her. I admit that the basic situation was taken from life, but her character was clearly not and events differed increasingly from what had happened between us. I had thought that as it was my own experiences I was drawing upon that I was in the clear and, for plot reasons, it was slanted to show 'her' in the best light and 'me' as the arsehole. No dice. She 'remembered' dialogue from the play as her own words. She thought the whole play was an attack on her. She claimed that I was trying to get my revenge in a way that left her no means of reply. I didn't even know there was anything to revenge.

Anyway, the upshot is that from having a close frienship where we spoke regularly, she ignored me for a few months and now I feel I cannot raise the subject. All I am saying is that do not expect your friend to be accurate or dispassionately rational in separating the real from the imagined in your finished work. People's self-image is a tricky thing and however fair you try to be, they may well not react in the way you expect.

As to the ethics, to dive into pretention briefly, writers draw upon the experiences, personal and observed, to ground their imagination in reality. You cannot merely write about yourself, you have to use your imagination at some point, but your perception and creation of other is bound to be coloured by the people you have met and what you have seen of others. What you describe may be a slightly more extreme version of this, but it is still the same process. So I'd say, if the idea interests you then go for it, just tread carefully and tell him before you show it to anyone else.
 
 
Ria
16:54 / 22.12.01
I did not think to put a spoiler warning on that last one...

er, to echo what Orr said, yes, Chester Brown's The Little Man has a whole story in it about the reception of his autobio story "Helder" called "Showing 'Helder'". one of his friends for example says, "you quoted me as saying such-and-such when in reality"...

earlier this year I had large problems working on a 'nonfiction short story' (told about me, by me, using my name in the third person) and had severe problems with it because I knew (I mean knew) that the people in the story would not like their portrayal or rather my portrayal of their scene so (and for a few other reasons) I shelved it.

it comes down to, "do you want these people to loathe you [acquaintances rather than friends] or do you reduce the level of honesty?" well I decided to do the latter. and to encapuslate this story as part of a larger story rather than detailing in all its grotty nuances. making it not the centerpiece in other words.
 
  
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