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Working Musician = Starving Artist?

 
 
Frances Farmer
01:17 / 29.11.01
I've recently become quite devoted to the goal of forging a niche for myself in the music industry where I can at least 'get by', and know that I'm 'getting by' doing something I love.

I of course understand that it takes time and a lot of hard work to be worthwhile -- but I believe that enough hard work and dedication can make it happen.

Now, the other part of this is, I don't want to be a studio player. I don't mean that I'm abject to the idea of playing in a studio, but I do have a body of work I intend to develop and perform. This being what it is, I don't want to join a church band, play backup in a tribute band, or anything of the sort.

As a matter of fact, I'm pondering the idea of trying to do the solo thing.

So, I'm wondering if there are folks here who have enough experience to know what it takes to make a living entertaining people. I'd also be quite interested in any suggestions experienced folks might have. I've been playing music for almost eight years, but I haven't been involved in any sort of professional performance -- though I do have a couple of recordings.

In case it's pertinent, we're talking mostly a mix of rock and folk, with a weird entanglement of classical and jazz. Some bizarre progressions.

[ 02-12-2001: Message edited by: Frances' Fragile Optimism ]
 
 
sleazenation
07:11 / 29.11.01
a thought coming out of absolutely 0 experience is that life as session muscians might suit, -- you'd be an making money doing what you love - there'd be a demand for your work, you might even get to work with your musical heroes.

have absolutely no idea about how you might get into this line of work tho'
 
 
Rollo Kim, on location
07:58 / 29.11.01
As you said - it'll take time... time... time... Anything's possible! I say go for it!

I'm sure this is stuff you've already thought of but: The only things I can think of is make sure that any demos you submit are of the very best [digital] quality you can get your hands on. Digital [DAT, CD, studio quality] is pants but it's a sound your average A&R man is looking for. They'll bin your hissy 4-track mixdown tape the minute they hear it. Also try to go for the most distinctive and 'quality' sleeve design you can.

If nothing else, transfer your demo material to disk via PC/Mac and get it scorched down onto CD. This way you'll be able to clean up your signals.

Don't forget that simply playing every venue you can sneak into won't necessarily get you snatched up by Mr Big. You've got more chance by submitting your top quality demo to every company you can find.

Meet with as many other musical people as you can - get involved in outside projects, etc - it's all experience and it helps to remind you why you are here!

And best of luck with it!
 
 
Seth
19:35 / 29.11.01
Learn To Manipulate The Music Press.

They're all thick, and it looks really easy.
 
 
Sandfarmer
00:29 / 30.11.01
Don't listen to me. I'm a total musical failure. I've been trying to catch a break in the music biz for about 13 years now.

However, if interested, my current strategy is this.

No band. No gigs. Only writing and recording. I'm working on an album of original solo material and I'm not letting anyone hear it until I think it is great and until I am proud of it. My theory is that when I finish it either 1) it will be great and others will like it and I'll put a band together to support it and will have great success or... 2) everyone will hate it but at least I will like it and be proud of it and know I did my best.

Take this advice though. Don't ever, ever waste anytime waiting around on other musicians or bandmates. Unless they happen to be John fucking Lennon or Paul fucking McCartney, every other musician on the Earth is shit and will only slow you down. Trust me, all musicians are evil fuckheads, including me. In fact, forget you ever read this post. I wasted at least eight years in different bands waiting on the other fuckers to get their heads together but most of them can't even show up for rehearsal on time or show up sober for a gig.

Good luck!
 
 
Perfect Tommy
03:21 / 30.11.01
I have largely found the opposite to be true--I write better when I have someone, anyone, to bounce things off of.

Not that you can necessarily rely on a musician--I was in a band that just vanished without a trace after our first performance. Maybe I really, really sucked. But before they ran off to join the Foreign Legion, having other musicians around was great. I'm having difficulty coming up with diddly-squat on my lonesome.
 
 
grant
15:52 / 30.11.01
Steve Albini sez you should aim at becoming a producer instead, so you can make other people's music AND your own.
 
 
Frances Farmer
18:42 / 30.11.01
Thanks for some of the suggestions / points. I think I'll probably start doing solo performances with folks I know coming in as guest musicians, and then perhaps when things start swinging a bit, I'll see who takes an interest.

This is my going gameplan--

a) Constant development. I'm a singer/songwriter/guitarist, and I'm quite a bit more proficient with the guitar than I am with singing. This isn't to say I'm a poor singer, but it is to say I'm nowhere near my personal standard. I'm taking Operatic training and getting coached by a friend on music theory.

b) Lay down the cash in about three months for enough studio time to produce a demo -- guitars and vocals, unless I get lucky and can bring some additional guests in. Set up a web page with publicity photos and demo tracks.

c) Gig.

d) Lay down the cash in about nine months for enough studio time to do an LP.

e) Gig like hell to promote the LP.

f) Talk with "friends who know friends" to see if I can up the net circulation of the LP while I gig in support of it.

g) Gig some more. To me it's all about getting it out there. Being there to perform. Showing people what you're all about.

h) Never give up.

Did I miss anything?
 
 
Sandfarmer
18:55 / 30.11.01
Sounds like a good plan but I would suggest that rather than shell out money for studio time, use the money to buy your own recording equipment and build your own home studio. Especially with digital reocording, you can get excellent resutls at home now. I record at home then take the masters to a studio to clean it up. That way I don't waste anytime paying a studio and an engineer. The studio and engineer are going to keep the clock runing during set up and breakdown. Record at home and you are already set up and you don't pay a thing.

Led Zeppelin recorded the majority of their songs in their homes and on the road with portable multitracks that were vastly inferior to what you can by these days for between $500 and $800.
 
 
01
01:34 / 01.12.01
I like your plan so far. Sounds like you have most of the bases covered. I've only this to add.

1. Trying to make a living off music, and having it is a goal is awesome. However, it's incredibly difficult to do but not impossible. Even if you do luck out and get some fat label bucks behind you, you still have to recoup on all your expenses. Label dollars, especially for new artists, are treated as loans to said artist, that the Mr. Record Label eventually wants back in record sales. This is why so many major label bands' second albums are shitty trend following pap shit. I'm a strong believer in the indy diy thing, and it sounds like you are too. Very cool.

The biggest mistake I've made over the last few years, was focusing on the wrong things. I had to be able to make a living off music, no matter what. Focusing on this, subconciously takes it's toll and ultimately warps your artistic perspective. Anyways it did for me. Now I focus more on the process than the end result, and am more satisfied with where life is going. Just as long as I put out one DAMN GOOD ALBUM, and put on DAMN GOOD SHOWS, then I'm happy. Shitty job or no shitty job.

2. Gig. I totally agree with you on this. Play like hell. Was it Miles Davis that said "You're only as good as your last performance,"? Anyways it's true. If you can build a solid local following, you're already half way there. Especially, if Mr. Record label comes sniffing around. I've heard A&R guys say that they love when they have to pursue an artist, because they know and love said artist's work already even without receiving a demo tape. Which leads to:
3. Demos. Someone mentioned about the importance of having a slick package to hand in to labels. This is the biggest myth of the music industry. The opposite is true. Generally the rule of thumb between A&R people is the better the demo package(I'm talking visual not sound here) the shittier the band is. What you need is a professional package consisting of a demo, a bio/press, a black and white 8 x 10 glossy. This is industry standard. Not including any of these doesn't win punk points with anyone.
4. Recording. If you have the bucks, inclination and time, do what Sand says and record yourself. However, if this isn't the case, finding a studio and engineer/producer is going to be one of the most important things you can do. Check out a lot of different places. The last thing you need is some hot shit, expensive, jargon talking, primadonna asshole who knows everything there is to know about recording and sound. Unfortunately, the music industry is full of these guys. Beware. What you do want is someone who understands what you and your music is about, and hopefully is cheap. My suggestion is to go to recording colleges and try find students who are into what you do, have access to some gear and can record you for pretty cheap. Alot of times, you can get some pretty damn good sounding stuff. Dollars does not necessarily = great sound. I've heard millions of horror stories about bands dropping down tens of thousands of dollars for recording only, only to have their stuff sound like crap. The motto of the last studio we demoed in was "Good recordings for good people." It was run by two fucking hillarious guys recently out of school.
5. Read a page out of Fugazi's book or Ani Difranco's. Regardless, if you like their music or not, they are text book examples of making their own way in the industry. It sounds like you're road is similar to Difranco's. Her first few records were financed on a shoe string budget. And the sales of her record weren't huge by major label standards (but who gives a shit about that anyways...) The point is that because she was a solo artist, she kept all the profits, so she was able to viably live off her music practically from the start. And not to mention have complete control of her career to boot.
Ok I'm sure there's more but I gotta rip.
Good Luck and see at the Grammies with P. Diddy.
 
 
Frances Farmer
01:44 / 02.12.01
I very much appreciate everybody's input. This has been enormously helpful. Once I get some of my stuff up on the web (good recordings, etc.) I'll throw a link up. Then the criticism can start full force (which I'm ok with, but may not always respond to).

Anybody here have web pages for what they're doing, BTW?
 
 
RadioEdit
11:30 / 02.12.01
Your location may be a factor. If you are in a big college town (like Austin, Texas) or a big city (London, Paris, New York), there should be plenty of venues to cut your teeth on. Austin may have been a bad example due to the number of club owners who love to financially rape musicians, but you get my point - just keep gigging - you will get better and better, learn to be a better musician and your show skills will improve.

Keep plugging away.
 
 
Sandfarmer
12:41 / 02.12.01
Doh! I totally forgot a great way to make a living with music...

TEACH!

I have a lot of friends who make a comfortable living teaching during the week and giging on the weekends. I play by ear and never really studied theory so I'm not comfortable with taking on students but it works for a lot of people. My next door neigbor makes a very good living teaching and giging. He owns his house and is much better off than I am anyway so it is very possible.

Plus teaching makes you better. One of my good friends (and a former teacher of mine) is, in my opinion, one of the five or ten best guitarists alive right now and he says teaching makes him a better musician every week.
 
 
Frances Farmer
01:07 / 03.12.01
I'm the same way -- I'm only now attempting to get a strong grasp of musical theory. Until now, I've played by ear, with a very basic understanding of how things work. But, I've had a lot of luck playing by ear. If I learned music theory, it would have to be a loose thing -- just something that sits back in the subconcious and only comes forward as a natural occurance. Not something that imposes on my way of writing or playing. So, I'm kind of working on that. I've pondered the teaching thing -- I think I would be a capable teacher, but I would want to have credentials before I made the attempt.

Hmm...
 
 
grant
14:22 / 03.12.01
(off topic) Hey Sandfarmer, do you know Guy Fennochi?

He's in the Atlanta area, and very happy teaching and has just put out a jazz guitar CD which is pretty dern good.

- g
 
 
Sandfarmer
02:34 / 10.12.01
Nope. Don't know him. I've been kind of out of the scene and hiding in my garage recording for the past two years. (It takes a while to record an album playing all the parts yourself while at the same time holding down a full time job and trying not to get divorced.)
 
 
Francine I
17:50 / 12.12.01
K -- here's a question. If I could go anywhere in the world with my equipment and front myself for some basic gigging -- was able to prearrange some gigs, had demo package, all that good stuff..

..Where would be the best place to attempt to support myself as a live act?
 
  
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