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Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:41 / 02.10.01
I'm in the process of creating a comic/narration/art/illustration/poetry/
abstract .... thing (well..words and pictures basically... a comic).. and, basically, I just wanted suggestions as to what to do with it when it's done

I mean, ideally I'd like to be able to get noticed (for what I don't know, as some kind of self styled writer, artist illustrating alcoholic I guess) but that seems less than likely - but art (in some form) is what I want to do.

What do I do? Send a comic to a gallery?
hmmmmm.
How does all this stuff work anyway.. ?

Anyway, any suggestions, ideas or general ranting would be much appreciated.
 
 
Pin
20:44 / 13.10.01
I'm topping this, simply because I would like to see someone help him to get this project working. It means a lot to him, from what I can tell.

So if someone who actually knows something could help him out...
 
 
Jack Fear
22:20 / 13.10.01
There's only one answer: self-publish.

Read the gospel of Larry Young, True Facts.

And apply for a Xeric Grant.
 
 
bio k9
06:52 / 14.10.01
I'm trying to do the same thing. Here are my recommendations:

I'd recommend trying to complete the thing first. Thats the hard part. And the part I'm stuck on.

Next, take some high quality photos/slides of your work. Get the origional art framed (this will be expensive unless you do it yourself). Take the photos/slides to any local art galleries and show them off. Have some of the work framed and ready in case they want to see it (which they will if they are even remotely interested). If you already know the people at the gallery it will be much easier to get your work shown. Go meet them now. Make them like you. When your project is finished they will be more interested in it because they'll already know you. Have some copies of your comic printed up (thats the expensive part). Get shown at your new friends gallery. Have your comic available at the opening. A decent gallery will have postcards with your work on one side and a small bit about the work and the artist (uh, you) on the back. Make sure that contact info is there for anyone that wants to order your comic.

Other than that I don't know. Do check into the Xeric grant though.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
07:14 / 14.10.01
go to galleries, every possible gallery anywhere remotely near you, go to them all the time and see if any of them have work that is anything like what you do -- conceptually, graphically, cultuerally. then target those galleries with the tactics above.

go to art opennngs all the time and try to make friends. make the postcards yourself and send them to every gallery on earth and to art directors at record companies and magazines and advertising companies. if you dont know what these post cards look like, then you havent been to enough galleries yet and you wont stand a chance at speaking their language until you find out about it.

offer to write listing coverage of gallery opennings for your local weekly paper, so that you can get to talking to the gallery owners.

get together with some other artists, rent out a space, buy some cheep wine, send out mass invites to everyone listed above and gallery owners, and throw your own openning.

don't be desperate or sycophantic when you deal with art directors / gallery owners. don't tell them that your work will revolutionize the universe. they will not care. basquiat was a fluke. unless you already are able to con people out of food/drinks/money/sex with regularity, you will not be able to suddenly start doing it with your art.

this is a full time completely social occupation. it will take a lot of time and you have no guarrantee it will ever come through, so keep on working on your thing while you "wait."

figure out exactly what you want to do and stick to it with endless passion and focus. You want to sell your art through galleries to collectors for a living? you want to illustrate books for a living? you want to tell sequential art stories for a living? you want to do adds? are other people currently able to do what you want to do? how do they manage? if not -- rethink your desire.

i know people who have become very successful as artists doing all this. there are millions of people who would really like to make a living making art, and there will never be a large enough market to support them all. remember that, and think about what it means when you continue to pursue it. Just because you have a show and send out invites doesnt mean anywill will show up, care, and even if they do both they may not buy your work.

if you are creating serveral connecting, full narrative comic book pages as gallery art, galleries will be much less interested than if you make art that is consistent to a single page and is not very narrative. Raymond Pettibone is extremely unusual, and he is a far cry form comic art. if you want to do comics for a living, you have to do a completely different set of things than any of the above.

i once went into a gallery that was showing a Vienese Actionist archive -- herman nizche and otto meul and horrifying stuff, and realized i had something similar. so i gave a movie i made to the gallery owner for the hell of it, and then he gave it to Nick Zed to potentially teach in a class on transgressive cinema... nothing ever wound up becoming of it. But endless opportunity is always available, as long as you keep on pushing.

good luck.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:26 / 27.10.01
Hey, damn! Ta Pin

Thanks for the advice as well people... I will be trying to do (some of) these things...

But, but, I need more help.
Does anyone know anything about scanning things? And for a comic? Anything like that?

Got a new scanner, and I can't work it out, can't get the colours printing off right...

AND, how would I give it to a 'printer' anyway? What kind of file? Anyone.. anyone who knows what they're talking about (I evidently don't, not even the questions to ask...)... please help

Just... aergh.


In the end.. I will make this work.
I only have 10 pages of around 20 done, but I'm getting there. Slow and steady.
Or just slowly.

One day!
 
 
Sandy Haired Bruce Wayne
03:31 / 28.10.01
While it's good to know specifics on the printing and other technical aspects before getting too far in (just to save you from making mistakes in the final product), insofar as the distribution and promotion goes, take Bio K-9's advice and just get it done. I've seen too many young artists with big plans and no finished work.

If you need help on technical matters, it wouldn't hurt to check Shane Glines or TCJ. Lots of professionals hang out on both, and they talk scanning constantly.

All in all, though, I'm intrigued and would like to see it when it's done. Unless, of course, you'd be willing to sneak us a glimpse.
 
 
Warrington Minge
20:15 / 28.10.01
I think Sandy Haired Bruce Wayne has a good point here. Why not post some of the images on this site to be viewed by the umpteen professional artists and creators alike that post on this board. You'll need some webspace to post your images upon so you can add the URL to the image button of the Post a topic section on this site.

Not sure if self publishing is the way to go. I tried this a few years ago and found the hardest part was selling my wares. Got some good reviews for it and had some interesting responses including an offer of some exhibition work in spain but generally found it difficult to get people to even look at my stuff. Excuses being: not in colour, didnt feature Star Trek, wouldn't buy because I wasn't a name etc, etc. crazy reasons not to look at something. Galleries are the way to go. Dont forget though an exhibition is just a room full of pictures. Exhibitions are held in venues of all kinds. Why not just hire a room for a week yourself and just exhibit and see what happens. Also think of unusual places for venues. Pubs, Bookshops, artshops, resturaunts etc. I know for a fact that Waterstones (uk) are very keen on this kind of thing if approached. Dont forget to publicize and invite influential people and friends. Avoid comic shops!!!
Hope that helps.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:43 / 29.10.01
Cheers all for the advice - keep it coming...

I'm gonna try and post a couple of pics here, later on (lack of webspace is stopping just at the mo, but that should be sorted...) I'll post them here, and maybe in conversation (well... It's a bit sparse in here ) ... so hopefully you people will be able to see what I'm (trying to do) doing

And, I'm getting the hang of the scanner now, I've been getting a few great prints off for my portfolio that I'm finally trying to put together...

And the comic thing, well, I mean.. it's not really a comic I was hoping to sell (although I probably will, if it ever gets printed) and it's not really a 'comic' as such... but it is at the same time...

Hopefully all this will make sense when I show you some work... shortly

(and don't laugh! )
 
 
Ria
09:43 / 29.10.01
a friend and collaborator won a Xeric recently so you can do it.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:43 / 29.10.01
*cough*

Go here for examples.

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: Jonny Suede ]
 
 
rizla mission
10:56 / 29.10.01
Top stuff.

runny watercolours and scratchy handwriting - nice.

I can see why you'd have trouble with scanning & photocopying though..
 
  
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