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Talking Heads & Ramones inducted to Hall of Fame

 
 
grant
12:45 / 14.03.02
Great article on the CBGBs axis here.

quote:"We were going for the preppy look," says Byrne. "We just wanted to turn the rock iconography on its head. We wanted to see if we could get away with establishing that as an alternative. I don't think it really worked." Weezer probably begs to differ, but certainly there were many—particularly those outside the major metropolitan areas—who didn't care to have their iconographies flipped. "Isn't it strange," asks Weymouth, "to think that the first song that happened for us was 'Take Me to the River'? That's when people finally understood the band. 'Cause, oh, when you mix up your sex and your gospel, they say 'Oh, now I know where you're coming from. You're as fucked up as I am!' "

The Heads' imprint on modern groups is so obvious (Radiohead even took their name from a track on True Stories) that it's worth remembering that before there was an alternative rock circuit, Byrne and co. had to blaze trails through folk clubs in Nashville and pizza parlors in Pittsburgh. ("Our opening act was a fire-breathing clown," recalls Byrne. "He was drunk by our second set.")

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"My first impression of the Ramones," says Byrne, "and the impression probably never changed, was that this was real art rock. The concept was so strong and so focused that it became invisible. People almost didn't notice that it was tongue in cheek." Loser kids who'd barely made it through high school in the early '70s really weren't walking around with leather jackets and extended bowl cuts. That was an "iconography" the Ramones gave the world.

The band blazed a few trails of their own. Monte Melnick—the Ramones' tour manager for the whole wild ride—remembers an early fuel stop in rural Texas. After pumping the gas, Monte walked into the small shop where Tommy, Dee Dee, Joey, and Johnny were stretching their legs. On the way out, the beehived clerk pulled him aside and said in a low voice, "Mister, it sure is nice of you to take care of those retarded people."


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The Ramones' bickering and the Heads' cynicism only underscore the greatest irony of Monday night: The guy who would have been most pleased to be inducted can't be there. "Joey really appreciated the history of rock and roll," says his mother. "He knew he was being nominated, and he was really excited about it."

 
 
grant
12:49 / 14.03.02
This is the Ramones-specific thread.

But anyone into the Talking Heads, spill it here!
 
 
The Natural Way
06:59 / 15.03.02
Enomously into the Heads:

Gush.

Remain in Light - fave album ever.

Don't know what else to say, really.

Oh, and 'The Good Thing' is just fantastic.

And 'Mind'.

And 'Papa Legba'.

And.........
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
22:56 / 15.03.02
...the rest. It scares me when the words 'Talking' and 'Heads' fail to ellicit a tidal wave of gushment. This thread should already stretch from pole to pole, and the fact that it doesn't is tantamount to aesthetic treachery on the part of EVERYONE.

Even their shit songs were ace, bless 'em.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
15:39 / 16.03.02
I only have 'More Songs About Buildings And Food'. I quite like it. And I saw 'Stop Making Sense'. The movie, I mean. It was good, especially for a concert film, which is something I generally don't care much for. I've been thinking about looking into their stuff a little more deeply. Where should I start?
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
09:07 / 17.03.02
I'm with Runce on 'Remain In Light'. It's only a couple of years on from 'Buildings' but has a totally different feel; dense, mesmerising spook-funk with genius pop tunes on top. Legendary slaphead Brian Eno co-produced. To this day it sounds like bugger all else. And it's got "Once In A Lifetime" on it.

The 'Stop Making Sense' soundtrack album is a must have, but you've probably already gathered that. 'Speaking In Tongues', 'Little Creatures' and 'Fear Of Music' are all on the money, too.

Then there are the offshoots, like Byrne and Eno's 'My Life In the Bush Of Ghosts' and the Tom Tom Club's first album (can't remember the title....haven't even heard it all the way through, but anything containing "Genius Of Love" has to be worth forking out a bit of cash for)
 
 
Margin Walker
09:07 / 17.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Arthur Sudnam:
I've been thinking about looking into their stuff a little more deeply. Where should I start?
Arthur Sudnam


I'd start by renting "True Stories". It's David Byrne's directing debut & the Talking Heads (surprise!) did the soundtrack. Also, he co-wrote the script, too. The music features some of the Latin stylings that Byrne uses in some of his solo work. But more than that, it's a damn funny film, with appearances by Spalding Gray, John Goodman, Pops Staples & Tito Larriva from The Plugz. Some people won't get the humor because it's the really dry, deadpan kind of funny. You can probably rent it from the library or maybe Kroger's has a copy at one of their stores you can rent. Here's the IMDb listing.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:12 / 17.03.02
I'd also go out and rent the movie "Stop Making Sense". One of my fondest memories from college was going to see this movie and none of us being able to stay in our seats. We would go to every showing we could and dancing with an abandon I can't muster now for any sort of music.

I think anyone who gives the band a listen becomes a fan...
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
22:50 / 17.03.02
....mmmm....jogging around the cinema at the end of 'Life During Wartime.....'

never did it. always wanted to.
 
 
The Natural Way
06:45 / 18.03.02
But the Heads don't actually sing the songs in 'True Stories'....

No, start w/ 'Remain in Light' - really accessible and poptastic. And 'My Life in the Bush of Ghosts' is great. Real exorcisms....mmmmm. Deeply sexist exorcisms...
 
 
Cat Chant
08:02 / 20.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Arthur Sudnam:
I only have 'More Songs About Buildings And Food'. I quite like it.


Umm... don't you mean 'I find it induces a transcendentally fantastic feeling, causing me to fall on the floor, understand my life & the universe as one, great, cosmic, pulsating Talking Heads track, and then return to my day with renewed vigour, intellectual flexibility, and eroticism?'
 
 
The Natural Way
08:04 / 20.03.02
And don't forget 'makes me laugh'.

Don't worry about the Govt....he's doing okay.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:24 / 20.03.02
I don't know N-O-T-H-I-N-G about the Talking Heads. Will see if the shop downstairs have their CDs to rent. Say, what is awaiting for me?
 
 
grant
15:18 / 20.03.02
Hmm. White art rockers doing soul songs. Sort of.

Maybe if the B52s listened to Sam Cooke & Marvin Gaye instead of sci-fi soundtracks, they'd have wound up sounding like the Talking Heads. Maybe not.

It's hard to imagine anyone not having heard "Once in a Lifetime" or "Burning Down the House."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:27 / 20.03.02
or their version of "Take Me To The River". or "Psycho Killer". or "And She Was". or "Life During Wartime"...

To limit the Talking Heads to simply pilfering soul music would be silly, cos they took so much more from afrobeat and dub...

I think that they are indeed one of the finest rock bands of all time. and Bryne is still really good...I think the second best record the man's ever done, just after Remain In Light, is Look Into The Eyeball...
 
 
deja_vroom
15:30 / 20.03.02
Re: My ignorance of Talking Heads:

Well, it's a big big world innit? I'm only 24 and up to my 18s I lived in a tiny tiny town...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:36 / 20.03.02
well, in all fairness, these are big hits in America and Europe. and yr not from either, am I right?
 
 
deja_vroom
15:41 / 20.03.02
I'm from Brazil. Currently in Rio de Janeiro.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
15:46 / 20.03.02
Ignorance of Talking Heads isn't such a bad thing. It just means that there's a bunch of great songs floating about which you haven't yet heard but may well be about to...
 
 
deja_vroom
15:50 / 20.03.02
that's what I think. I think that if theyre really that great, you should be all dying to be me now, soon to be discovering their gems. I'd kill to be just discovering Ok computer today...
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
18:09 / 20.03.02
Amen. I'd consider having part of my brain removed if it would help me hear certain bands again for the first time.
 
 
Cat Chant
21:11 / 20.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Rancid Maggot Circus de Jade:
I lived in a tiny tiny town...


But <all together now>:

The whole wide world is a tiny town/ Full of tiny ideas

Uh-Oh is another great David Byrne album, if only for the song Now I'm Your Mom

[ 21-03-2002: Message edited by: Deva ]
 
 
tSuibhne
11:58 / 21.03.02
And here's the scoop.

quote: Vedder's speech set the tone for the evening, but for capturing the spirit of the Ramones, masters of the short and sweet, Green Day did the trick. The pop-punk trio saluted their forefathers with efficiency, blasting through "Rockaway Beach," "Teenage Lobotomy" and "Blitzkrieg Bop" without speaking to the crowd or to reporters backstage.


and

quote: Talking Heads put aside their legendary acrimony and performed for the first time in 18 years. Joined onstage by CBGB owner Hilly Kristal, the band thanked just about everyone who had nurtured, fed or paid them over the years, including the rock hall itself, "for giving this band a happy ending," drummer Chris Frantz said.

Latter-day touring members of the band, including Bernie Worrell of Parliament/Funkadelic and Steve Scales, joined on two-thirds of the set, which consisted of "Psycho Killer," "Burning Down the House" and "Life During Wartime." "This is a song completely inappropriate at this time," singer David Byrne said before launching into "Life During Wartime," "but then again, maybe it is appropriate."


I'll save comment for later. Anyone catch this last night?
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
23:18 / 24.03.02
Didn't see it. I'd like to imagine it was beautiful and profound, but 'comebacks' are generally fairly revolting. Then again I'm a fan; by the time I got into them they'd already stopped touring, so if they're planning to not-hate-each-other long enough to make a few bucks on the back of this 'induction' business, I'll be there.
 
 
bastl b
08:41 / 16.04.02
cool there are other heads lurking here. if you´re not familar wiht Talking Heads expect a highly unusual music that´s trying to bring the body, the mind, the heart and the soul together, making it all go crazy and free in one elegant uplifting moment of insight and activation. I saw the walls melt while listening to their msuic. Chris Frantz is one of the best fucking drummers this world ever saw and the musical interaction between the four heads is very energetic, quirky and unique. a quick run down of their music: minimal sweet-sounding yet a bit disturbed rock without any genre stuff, their topics were more about real life than glamour and macho-rock, also they didn´t give a fuck about rock´n´roll romance and revolutionary punk rock rebellion status. their moto was just to be themselves which can be heard on their debut "77". then they got introduced to more crazy, experimental recording techniques via their producer brian eno (MORE SONGS ABOUT BULINDINGS AND FOOD) and they also discovered that afro-funk was in their blood, they went for it! their third album, FEAR OF MUSIC features multi-instrument tracks with heavy percussive groooves and beats net to stark, minimal, semi-electronic experimental tracks exploring the secret, shamefilled aspects of modern existence.

remain in light is their forth record and an explosive culmination of their non-melancholy progressive rock music mixed with heavy electronic synth influence (basically defining a lot of what is cool about today´s electronic music, less pink floyd but more dance-oriented) and heavy afro-inspired funk and percussion. they expanded their live shows to a group of up to ten musicicans going from minimal rock to the other extreme. they later refined the concept and recorded a wonderful album, with a less edgy, more polished pop sound while keeping the ethnic and electronic influence firmly intact(SPEAKING IN TONGUES) and a great live show which mixed modern art-dance, kabuki theatre and religious ecstatic craziness as can be seen in the greatest concert film of all time: STOP MAKING SENSE - here the transformation of a nerdy stuck up white guy is made visible, in the end his clothes are a mess, he´s sweating all over and laughing and dancing his ass off, liberated from all these rhythms, all delivered with breathtaking performances from all heads.

later they made a perfect pop album, LITTLE CREATURES with ROAD TO NOWHERE and AND SHE WAS as some of their biggest hits, their most accessible one. then they did a version of the soundtrack for their singer´s film TRUE STORIES, which shows traditional cajun and country influences and which must have come as a total shock to their early punk audiences from CBGB where Talking hHeads first establsihed themselves (they supported the Ramones in the late seventies, often convenienly labelled punk but they could hardly be called that). their last album was NAKED in 88, with newfound biting political themes and also a sense of surrendering to the spiritual world with very poetic, dream like songs mixed int there as well. musically they completely reinvented themselves exploring latin american sounds and rhythms and fusing them into their urban funky pop stuff way before it was considered cool. they disbanded becuase they couldn´t stand each other anymore.

their music is always pretty different on every album because they never liked to go back and they never did what you expected them to do. there are some consistencies; it´s all about the groove baby! their music is more percussive, freaky, noisy and non-linear, an incredible mix of a thousand styles which always succeeds and works, because these people were no showoffs, they did what served a song best always going for maximum effect in their listeners. very rhythm, chord, groove, vibe-oriented and with lots of great touching harmonies and little melodies thrown in to create a wonderfully strange, vehemic yet subtle music. they were a mindblowing live band, full of energy and natural funkiness (you can hear that even when they were playing rock on their first record, there´s this nervous slightly bewildered quality that they always had, but it´s far from the torment of the punk scene). hardly any solos, no pathos. no crap! "quirky, honest, political grooves". lyrically they went from detached observations on our disturbing modern lifestyles to spiritually inspired off the wall random associations (incredible stuff!! - check out SPEAKING IN TONGUES) to very complex and refined poetry (NAKED). they sang about evrything from terrorism to sexuality. musical labels they had to put up with: art rock, intellectual pop, punk, minimal, new wave, world music, funk rock. in truth their music is somewhere in between all of these things and becomes so much more.

and their the best fucking band I ever had the pleasure to listen to - so far!

www.talking-heads.net
 
  
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