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New ideas in terrorism

 
 
Rage
22:29 / 11.09.01
I wonder how a paranoid delusional would react to all this shit that just went down. I'm really worried about my friend Lance, who is currently living in the book 1984. What is he gonna think NOW? We can guess as to how the victims feel, (holy shit) but how do those radical Americans who would have loved to bomb the WTC for political purposes feel? How do our respected cultural icons feel? What if one of those news reporters we saw got killed on live TV?

Student- The WTC just blew up!
Other students- ::laughing::
Student: No, it really just blew up! Look outside!

Things are actually gonna change now. Honestly, I was getting bored with things... as sick as that sounds. Now we have a whole new... thing.

New conspiracy theories and debates will develop. It seemed like everything had already been debated thousands of times, and that I was creating all kinds of things to debate out of boredom. Now there will be new debates. New objectivism. Not to mention new culture.

New ideas.

For example, I think it would be interesting to start an autobiographical book that began like this: "On September 11, 2001... the day that America was attacked... I was tripping on 10 hits of blotter."

Bush talked about unity between the democrats and the republicans. Does he mean unity as in retaliation (war) to those "cowardly acts"? (personally, I think the acts were quite brave) How about those of us who aren't democrats or republicans?

Where do we go from here?
 
 
Molly Shortcake
22:39 / 11.09.01
'Brave'?!

Well, I susspose the terrorists were more 'brave' than the box cutter phobic passengers who probably had them outnumbered 10 to 1........I mean there's bound to be at least 4 or 5 big guys on a flight of fourty.......

Then again, mabey some of them did rush em. The plane in eastern PA didn't crash into anything.

Not to sound macho or anything, but if that happened to me I'd be like 'fuck it, I'm dead anyway'.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:40 / 11.09.01
Hmmmm...

I can't help but wonder if this will embolden others...

Any fringe group with half a plan can jump on board and have the effects of their endevors have a x10 effect..

How can this be spun in a possitive direction?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
22:44 / 11.09.01
i think you're right, rage, in saying this is the beginning of a new chapter. since the cold war crumbled into dust, the us has been the lone superpower.

the attacks today show that america is vulnerable to crude, terrorist assault. in effect - that globalisation, for all its much-vaunted superiority can quite easily fall foul of inventive guerrilla tactics.

what happens next will largely depend on who turns out to be responsible. obviously bush & co are just dying for it to be muslims of whatever rationality or persuasion...

one thing's for sure: there's a lot of fucking anger out there...
 
 
Rage
22:57 / 11.09.01
I like the way you guys think. Let's spin this in a positive direction. Let's come together. Let's do this. Let's decide what happens next.

The question is "how"?
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
22:59 / 11.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Ice Honkey/Turbo Shark:

....
Not to sound macho or anything, but if that happened to me I'd be like 'fuck it, I'm dead anyway'.


Most of the passengers probably assumed that they'd just be held hostage, and that if they sat tight and behaved themselves, they'd be okay. I don't have any statistics to hand or anything, but I assume that most hijackings end in hostage negotiation rather than suicide bombings.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:59 / 11.09.01
What keeps comming back to me is how backed up the Blood donation clinic are... So many people donating...

Could a message be imprinted inall that blood... one of compassion, hope...

Um maybe I should bring these ideas over to THE MAGIK...
 
 
..
23:05 / 11.09.01
quote:Originally posted by autopilot disengaged:
[QB]
the attacks today show that america is vulnerable to crude, terrorist assault. in effect - that globalisation, for all its much-vaunted superiority can quite easily fall foul of inventive guerrilla tactics.
[QB]


In fact, by the rule that every empire must eventually fall, terrorism on this scale was maybe inevitable in that it is America's only vulnerability.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
23:10 / 11.09.01
the lesson you hope people in the first world - and especilly america might learn from this is that undifferentiated attacks are fucking bad news.

...that they might take a long, hard look at why anyone in the world could hate them enough to do something like this. and even - very basically - that all the star wars systems in the world aren't going to help their civilian population if otherwise powerless countries decide this kind of attack is the only way to strike at the evil empire.

you hope that, even if only out of fear, it might reform amerika's foreign policy - introduce some fucking humanity. then, you read the following, as posted on a american muslim board:

quote: I'll kill you
Posted by Your F*****gNightmare on 9/12/2001, 6:33 am
24.4.252.172

You think you can mess with us. Why don't you try attacking our fighting men instead of innocent civilians on planes. I can't wait tillwe go to war with you so I can shove an m16 up your civilians asses you fu**s. You are cowards and will burn in hell you pieces of shit.


how about this? less passionate, arguably even scarier:

quote: Re: the recent bombing
Posted by Avenger on 9/12/2001, 12:13 am , in reply to "the recent bombing"
24.184.81.68

I am sorry to post this but the only answer to these attacks is full scale nuclear attack on all arab states where children celebrate the death of tens of thousands of american citizens. Yemen saudi arabia and kuwait.
May god have mercy on all of our souls.


this ain't no fucking around.
 
 
Verbal Kint
23:48 / 11.09.01
But how much of that is angry little trolls who use this as an opportunity to be assh*les?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
23:52 / 11.09.01
verbal: there's a tribe of angry little trolls in the white house right now.

let's face it: when times are troubled, you don't want the guy that turned Texas' death row into a conveyor belt in the hot seat.

*fear*
 
 
Molly Shortcake
00:10 / 12.09.01
No, trust me - I'm dead anyway. Mixed breed here, 'half' Jewish (other half lots o' other stuff) Jewish last name (Israel won't take me, but a whole lot of people will still kill me) and being American dosen't exzactly help matters.

And yes, that's assuming the hijackers are Arabs (not that they were) make of that what you will.
 
 
Rage
10:59 / 12.09.01
quote:I can't wait tillwe go to war with you so I can shove an m16 up your civilians asses you fu**s. You are cowards and will burn in hell you pieces of shit.

This person has no problem making death threats about the insertion of weapons into rectal areas, yet he censored the pluralized form of "fuck."

Just an observation.

Back to the topic. What are your new ideas for social change?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
11:06 / 12.09.01
the aftermath:

good things:

US relises that being the world's lone superpower is as much of a curse as a blessing.

hopefully, reforms foreign policy (as soon as it's bombed some scapegoat back into chemical soup).

bad things:

tacit islamophobia more widely accepted, ideological battlelines drawn up.

bush given mandate to do whatever the fuck fascist bullshit he feels like in the name of national security.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:26 / 12.09.01
Just said to someone that I feel like I should be out on Menwith Hill ('son of star wars' US base in Yorkshire w/ long-running protest & Greenham-Common type women's peace camp) - he told me apparently the soldiers there had been slashing protesters' banners & accusing them of condoning the attacks yesterday, as if there was no difference between sitting on a hill to protest US militarism and destroying buildings... so I suppose what I'm worried about is the way all anti-US sentiment is going to be taken as support for the attacks. 'If you are not with us you are against us' and all that. Ideological battlelines being drawn *globally* and that can never be a good thing.

(Anyone know what's going on at Menwith Hill at the moment, btw?)
 
 
Jack Fear
12:46 / 12.09.01
Christ, I was gonna start a thread on this very topic: thought of calling it "Sifting the Rubble for Diamonds"...

See, about the only thing that's keeping me going right now is the hope that somehow, a finer world will come out of this. The post-World War II era is often thought of as a "golden age" in the US. It wasn't, of course, but there were huge, important social changes across the world, both positive and negative: the seeds of the Women's and Civil Rights Movements (planted by Rosie the Riveter and the integrated armed forces), the democratization of Japan, pan-European cooperation, the collapse of the British Empire. And if nothing else, World War II guaranteed that Fascism (as a political movement) never again be regarded as acceptable, even intellectually fashionable, as it was in the 1920s and 30s.

So what are the best outcomes we can hope for?
  • A national/international dialogue on the sins of America's foreign policy, and a recognition that, in large part, we brought this upon ourselves: putting our house in order.
  • An understanding, in the US, that we are part of the international community and NOT to be afforded special privileges as so-called "leader of the free world."
  • A discrediting of religious fanaticism generally: in particular, an abandonment of the distorted, bloodthirsty Islam preached by a handful of pissed-off mullahs and an embrace the true faith, rooted in compassion and mercy.
  • The United States signing on to an international tribunal. We cannot be above the law: if those with grievances against the United States have an honest chance to air and settle those grievances under international law, then violence and terror are no longer the imperative and the necessity that they are now.
SO many dead: dear God, let them not have died in vain.
 
 
bio k9
12:48 / 12.09.01
I wonder how "brave" you would have found all of this if you were on the 94th floor...

This is not going to improve America. If anything, personal freedoms are going to be reduced in an attempt to bolster national security.

You're right, we have a whole new thing. Its the old thing with the facade of safety torn away.

And yes, unity, as Bush speaks of it, means showing whoever is responsible for the attack that America carries a big stick.
 
 
Persephone
13:03 / 12.09.01
I too fear that there will be a clampdown on debate, and certainly there is a difference between a word and an act. Or is there? I have a philosophic nature and feel so horribly unpragmatic and like a broken record, but I continue to believe that --most of us being far from the centers of power that will decide whether we go to war or not-- the revolution is *within* because I believe that this, and Northern Ireland, and Israel happen because people cannot step away from the scripts that have been written. I do not say that it is an easy thing, I do not deny anyone's reality of a bomb exploding in their face. But I suggest especially for those of us who are experiencing this from a relative safe distance are *privileged* to be able to enter our own minds and work inside. For one, *resist* the impulse to react to the footage of Palestinian children. Find that space between stimulus and response where we as self-conscious humans can control our responses.

Mordant Carnival wrote the below in the Amerika in flames thread & I don't know if it's kosher to bring it over without asking... but it gave me more hope than anything.

quote:I am as of now abandoning my "let's all go out and curse McDonalds" thang. (Big step. I like cursing multinationals, and I had a whole chunk of my selfplex wrapped up in the Magickal Warrior archetype). But... I dunno.

Fuck it. Fuck it all. I'm giving up my guns. The world doesn't need my hate.


Idealist, me... it's a rare day when I try to start a movement. I guess I feel this isn't the time not to pipe up, even on this bulletin board that reaches only 700 people.
 
 
fluid_state
03:53 / 13.09.01
"Fuck it. Fuck it all. I'm giving up my guns. The world doesn't need my hate."

hear hear. sadly, a lot of hate got generated yesterday by people looking to share theirs, and they've handed over an iron glove to a man with an ugly right hand.

I've been directed to a few sites that echo a lot of what's going on here, that the "free world" needs to take a good look inside, and so on and so forth (y'all say it better than i do). But I fear those are the tiny voices, and they're gonna get drowned out. dissent WILL be criminalized; it has to be, if our leaders want to stay in power. and you know they don't want to leave... I just hope enough people keep thinking and sharing their ideas that to criminalize all of them would put half the Americas behind bars. Choose idealism over cynicism, if only to avoid being a fashion victim.
 
 
Ganesh
03:56 / 13.09.01
Whatever Bush does next, I worry that criticism of his actions will be seen as 'anti-American' and therefore 'pro-terrorist' - and even the tiny dissenting voiced will be cowed.
 
  
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