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So, when will Pakistan shoot nuclear missles at the US?

18:37 / 29.10.01

I mean, that's why we're desperately buddying up to them, cuz we're terrified. They're the only Islamic country that has nuke missles, so we're doing everything we can to appease them. It's a wonder we haven't just rolled in there and seized their nukes, but maybe that's too difficult.

looks like their government might have a really difficult time staying on top, what with EVERYONE against their ally policy. So, seriously, what does anyone here make of the possibility that their government will shift and they'll launch on us?

18:43 / 29.10.01

no ICBMs. India's got a lot more to worry about.

18:45 / 29.10.01

Think they have their hands tied just like the rest of the world does...however, they're probably the most likely to be hit up for the resources by other groups and countries. So what I'm worried about isn't what they'll do with them, but what a bunch of renegades who get their hands on them can do...

19:00 / 29.10.01

i guess i'm not too up on exactly what their capabilities are... no ICBMs... so what kind of range / power do they have? who other than russia has the capabilities of reaching the US with a nuclear strike? (you see, im just not worried enough these days)

19:13 / 29.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Mystery Gypt:
who other than russia has the capabilities of reaching the US with a nuclear strike?

China, England and France. Countries commonly believed to have nuclear weapons but no intercontinental delivery systems include Pakistan, India, North Korea and Israel.

No credible evidence has yet come to light that Soviet-era warheads have found their way into the black market.

Harold Washington died for you

22:04 / 29.10.01

Mystery Gypt:
I mean, that's why we're desperately buddying up to them, cuz we're terrified.

Interesting, but I think it is the other way around. Pakistan is doing their best to appease us because they know what 'we' would do. They know what the US government would be forced to do from up-in-arms citizens if they tried anything funny, let alone drop a nuke.

The Pakistani military dictatorship I think is much more pragmatic about these matters than any civilian government. That is why Pakistan has decided to brutally supress any protests from their own citizens aganist the U.S. actions instead of letting their show of support slip for once...at least that is what our wartime media tells us.

I do agree Pakistan will become a problem tho. Probably when we have to start bombing their own people as thousands of madrassa grads queue up on the border to go die for Allah bin-Laden in Afghanistan.

link
quote: Thousands of Pakistani men, young and old, had massed in Temergarah [Pakistan] on Friday night with assault rifles, machine guns, even rocket launchers.

A few even carried axes and swords.

06:48 / 30.10.01

My personal feeling is that Pakistan is going to come out of this as the US's number 1 client state in the region, with nuclear development aid and support for the military governmentin return for providing bases and logistics for this planned fifty year war against terrorism.

The US needs a country to use, in the way they used Turkey as a threat against the soviet union, with a military government, and distinctive cultural identity within the Islamic world.

11:12 / 30.10.01

Um, never mind Pakistan:

quote:OSAMA BIN LADEN and his al-Qaeda network have acquired nuclear materials for possible use in their terrorism war against the West, intelligence sources have disclosed.

The Times of London

Strangely (heh), this article hasn't appeared in the US press, as far as I know.

Or how about this:

quote: ...in recent weeks an élite Pentagon ndercover unit—trained to slip into foreign
countries and find suspected nuclear weapons, and disarm them if necessary—has explored plans for an operation inside Pakistan.

The American team is apparently getting help from Israel's most successful special-operations unit, the storied Sayeret Matkal, also known as Unit 262, a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry.

Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker (link subject to change)

Brilliant.

reidcourchie

12:09 / 30.10.01

Originally posted by Chuckling Duck
"No credible evidence has yet come to light that Soviet-era warheads have found their way into the black market."

However according to a recent survey a lot of their stuff, especially their smaller tactical stuff is missing.

I suppose the question is how much of this is real and how much of it is scaremongering to justify increasingly harsh military action.

15:21 / 30.10.01

quote: suppose the question is how much of this is real and how much of it is scaremongering to justify increasingly harsh military action.

Six million dollars.Ka-ching.

I think its probably a bit of both with a dash of timing thrown in.I bet they have the WARBRAIN machines working overtime on the media strategy as we speak.
The cluster bombs are painted yellow I noticed ,and so are the food parcels.

Another stroke of genius.

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]

reidcourchie

06:46 / 31.10.01

Billy Connolly suggested edible bombs. Sorta' makes sense to me at the moment.

06:46 / 31.10.01

quote:Originally posted by reidcourchie:
Billy Connolly suggested edible bombs.

ha ha ha HA..

01:56 / 01.11.01

Apparently there is an agreement between the U.S. and Pakistan which means there are American agents in the country always on standby to sieze, smuggle out or otherwise render Pakistan's nuclear arms useless should the current government fall.
I'd be more worried about Indonesia, all those muslims slaving away for us in sweatshops. Exactly what's inside the bubble of your Air Max?

04:58 / 01.11.01

to take the unstoppable mr fielding maybe not so unforgivably out of context:

"here we cannot suppress a pious wish, that all quarrels were to be decided by those weapons only, with which nature, knowing what is proper for us, had supplied us...then would war, the pastime of monarchs, be almost inoffensive...i would avoid, if possible, treating this matter ludicrously; but, in reality, might not a battle be as well decided by the greater number of broken heads, bloody noses and black eyes, as by the greater heaps of mangled and murdered human bodies?"

[ 01-11-2001: Message edited by: lolita nation ]

Our Lady of The Two Towers

08:02 / 03.11.01

The thing is, even if the Pakistan Taliban took over the Government, would they really fire nukes at other countries? I know Governments and news media like to portray them at utterly Reformed, but would they really be that crazy?