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How about a for-real FAQ?

 
  

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Murray Hamhandler
15:52 / 16.03.02
Just thought I'd throw out a suggestion. Since we have so many people asking the same questions all of the time and a lot of people who get exasperated answering the same questions all of the time, how about a FAQ on the board pertaining to these questions? The current FAQ is helpful for purely technical matters, but there are a lot of factual questions (i.e. "What happened w/Knowledge?", a question which I and apparently many others are still not clear on) could be answered. It would free up a lot of space on the board that's wasted going over the same things again and again. I'd be willing to aid in the writing of this thing, if necessary.
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:58 / 16.03.02
What we really need is a Barbelith historian, someone who can record our great trials and successes, so future generations of Barbelith posters may look upon our works and make a kind of non-commital exhalation of air.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:11 / 16.03.02
Also, perhaps the administrators of each area could compile an area-specific FAQ. Yeah?
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:13 / 16.03.02
There was one of these knocking about yonks ago. Dunno what happened to it.

Here's an alternative suggestion. Maybe if we could stop going over (and over, and over) the old arguments (such as "Knowledge shouldn't ahve been kicked off the site", for example), there'd be absolutely no need for a FAQ like this, as nobody would ever have cause to ask the Q's. While all the 'big events' over the last few years have shaped Barbelith into what it is now and have their place in its history, the regular rekindling of old animosities and debate over decisions made some time ago is both depressing and, imo, exactly the opposite of what the board should be about.

Who was Eloi, anyway?

[ 16-03-2002: Message edited by: E. Randy Dupre ]
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:22 / 16.03.02
Yeah, but see, I, like others, wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over if I ever got a straight answer. Or if the search function worked and I could find the answer myself. Or whatever. I'm sure others feel the same way. And just imagine. Next time someone asks about the Knodger or some other topic that you're tired of answering questions about...direct 'em to the FAQ!!!!! It's just that simple!
Fuck it. I'll write it myself. Anyone who wants to contribute, feel free.
Arthur Sudnam, II

[ 16-03-2002: Message edited by: Arthur Sudnam ]
 
 
Trijhaos
16:25 / 16.03.02
Do we really want to immortalize Knowledge in a faq?

I like the idea of a a separate faq for each section. What happened to the magick faq that was being worked on not too long ago? Did it crash and burn or is it still going on?

What kind of questions get asked over and over? I mean, the only ones I've seen asked more than once were "What did knowledge do" and "why was knowledge kicked off"
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:32 / 16.03.02
Arthur, you seem to be missing my point entirely. If people would just accept that the whole fucking Knowledge thing is finished with, over, the decision to boot him done and dusted, then there'd be no need for a FAQ containing information about that or other, similar occurences.

quote:Yeah, but see, I, like others, wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over if I ever got a straight answer.

To be frank, with reference to that particular issue, if you still haven't got it yet after all the threads started up in his memory then I don't see that you ever will. It really is time that this was left to die the death it deserves.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:38 / 16.03.02
"Move on. There's nothing to see here. The authorities have everything under control. Do not question or you will be shot."
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
Tom Coates
16:47 / 16.03.02
> BANG <

Ok then - let's do a FAQ. A proper one. Let's get this completely right and do it immediately. First stage - compile a list of questions that SHOULD be answered. Noone should attempt to answer them in this thread though... We'll save that for tomorrow or early next week...

I'll start... Questions I think should be answered:

WHAT IS BARBELITH.COM?

WHAT DOES BARBELITH MEAN?

WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE SITE FOR?

HOW DO I JOIN BARBELITH?

ARE THERE ANY RULES OF CONDUCT ON BARBELITH?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I BREAK THESE RULES?

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT ELOI AND THE KNOWLEDGE?

WHAT DO THE MODERATORS DO?
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:52 / 16.03.02
Perhaps something pertaining to voluntary but wholly appreciated monetary donations (which I may contribute to once my new job starts paying me)? Are we gearing this towards the possibility of new members?
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
SMS
17:04 / 16.03.02
HOW CAN I MAKE DONATIONS TO BARBELITH?

IF I DO DONATE TO BARBELITH, IS IT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF MY OWN HEART OR DO I GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT?
 
 
Tom Coates
17:24 / 16.03.02
They are both excellent questions which should definitely be part of the FAQ.
 
 
Traz
02:58 / 17.03.02
IS THIS SITE ONLY FOR <FANBOYS/CHAOS MAGICIANS/GOFFS/PEOPLE WITH NON-TRADITIONAL SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS/OH-SO-TRENDY SUBVERSIVE ANARCHISTS> OR CAN ANYONE JOIN?

WHAT'S A FICTIONSUIT?

IS THE USAGE OF MULTIPLE FICTIONSUITS ENCOURAGED OR FROWNED UPON?

WHAT CATCHPHRASES AND BUZZWORDS SHOULD I INCORPORATE INTO MY POSTS TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I'VE ACTUALLY READ A FEW THREADS BEFORE POSTING?

WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS IS GRANT MORRISON?

WHY IS THERE A GIRAFFE IN MY BATHTUB?
 
 
SMS
14:55 / 17.03.02
I TRIED TO POST AND GOT AN ERROR MESSAGE. IS THIS BECAUSE I SAID SOMETHING YOU FOLKS DISAGREED WITH?

No, it's a computer glitch. It happens to all of us. If you are locked out of Barbelith, you will be informed.

It seems like a silly question, I know, but it has been asked on more than one occasion.

WHAT QUALIFICATIONS DO I NEED TO POST IN THE HEAD SHOP?

You need:
1. An open mind
2. Questions, opinions you can back up, or both.

It also might be a good idea to mention that thread rot is generally discouraged, and especially discouraged in the Revolution.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:08 / 17.03.02
I REALLY LIKE MUSIC/FILMS/COMICS/BOOKS etc, BUT NONE OF THE THREADS IN THOSE RESPECTIVE FORUMS REFLECT MY INTERESTS. SHOULD I JUST NOT POST IN THESE FORUMS?

No! You should try starting threads about your interests, and the chances of other people on the board sharing your interests could be quite high and/or you could influence other people to check out what you're writing about.

If you're writing about something that other people might not be aware of; it's a good idea to express enthusiasm about it, because that enthusiasm can be contagious or arouse curiosity in the subject matter. Be descriptive in your writing - a thread in which you simply state the name of something or someone isn't as effective as adding a description of your feelings and ideas about it.

[ 17-03-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Phantom Waiting 2 B Gripped ]
 
 
Persephone
16:26 / 17.03.02
DO PEOPLE WHO ASK FREQUENTLY-ASKED QUESTIONS HAVE TO SHOUT?
 
 
Tom Coates
16:32 / 17.03.02
IT"S NOT SHOUTING. IT"S LOTS OF PEOPLE TALKING AT THE SAME TIME.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
17:11 / 17.03.02
WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE CONDITIONED TO SEE ALL CAPS AS SHOUTING ANYWAY?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:42 / 17.03.02
The same reason that things in italics always seem more important than they are.

[ 17-03-2002: Message edited by: Village of the Bizunth ]
 
 
Tom Coates
09:56 / 18.03.02
DOES TOM - AS WORSHIPFUL MASTER OF THE SITE - GET ANY SEXUAL PRIVELEGES OVER THE HOTTER BARBELITES, AND IF NOT WHY NOT?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:56 / 18.03.02
IS IT TRUE ABOUT THE LIZARDS?
 
 
odd jest on horn
09:56 / 18.03.02
HOW DO I MAKE A LINK OVER TO A SPECIFIC BOOK AT AMAZON.COM AND/OR AMAZON.CO.UK SO TOM WILL GET A CUT?
 
 
bio k9
09:56 / 18.03.02
HOW COME PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS, AND THEN ANSWERING THEM, WHEN TOM SAID "NO ONE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM IN THIS THREAD"

Because no one reads the posts anymore.

WHAT IS A "HUGGLE"?

WHAT IS A "TROLL"?

WHAT IS THE JOB OF THE MODERATORS?

HOW WERE THE MODERATORS CHOSEN?

DID GANESH REALLY DRINK PEE?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:30 / 18.03.02
quote:Originally posted by odd jest on horn:
HOW DO I MAKE A LINK OVER TO A SPECIFIC BOOK AT AMAZON.COM AND/OR AMAZON.CO.UK SO TOM WILL GET A CUT?


Actually, that's a question I've asked many, many times before. Is there an answer?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:45 / 18.03.02
Yep. It involves chopping out everything after the numbers following the ASIN bit

ie: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345344219/

not
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345344219/qid=965147622/sr=1-3/103-7747708-4879842

And appending a four-character code afterwards. Which Tom has to tell us in order to use. That's it.
 
 
deja_vroom
11:59 / 18.03.02
WHAT IS THE GREENLAND POSSE?

THERE REALLY WERE BARBELITH WARS? WHAT WERE THEY ABOUT?

WHAT WAS THE TANNHAUSER CUP?


Now, people really should refrain from witty responses and answer the questions properly. WHich, of course, is not going to happen.
 
 
grant
13:05 / 19.03.02
I wonder if Jack Fear still has the last one we worked up... or was it archived in one of the past incarnations of the board?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:21 / 19.03.02
I think I've still got it on the ol' hard drive @ home: much of it's out-of-date, I should think. I'll have a look tonight, and if I find it I'll post it to this thread...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:33 / 19.03.02
There was a Tannhauser Cup? I missed that one....
 
 
deja_vroom
13:39 / 19.03.02
well, there was something that sounded like this... well, it was a cup, and at a certain point the word "Tannhaus" was used... it was like a catchphrase, like the XYZPATROLGO or something...
 
 
Jack Fear
01:08 / 20.03.02
Found it. As noted, much of this is no longer applicable... but here it is, for historical interest.

Barbelith FAQ v.2.0
best used by or before February 2001
Notes: Procedural section expanded, a bit of reshuffling, a small scaling-back of the geek factor. The all-important Question 2 should I think, be thrashed out in its own thread...

Thirty-two questions.

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I: BASICS

1. What is the Barbelith Underground all about?


The Underground started in Summer 1998 as an adjunct to The Bomb, a website dedicated to annotating writer Grant Morrison’s comic book series The Invisibles. The conversation expanded to encompass the larger themes of the comic book: freedom, insurrection, drugs, pop culture, sex, magick, and overall fabulousness. And as the conversation expanded, more voices were added, each bringing something to the party.

We agree on almost nothing: there are as many manifestos here as there are individual members. There’s no ideology at work here, and plenty of room to disagree, to debate, to learn. If we can be said to have a common guiding principle, it can be summed up in the single word that was put forth in The Invisibles as “the most important lesson”: disobedience.

2. So if you lot are supposed to be revolutionaries, why aren't you out causing civil unrest and throwing bombs?

Life's not a comic book: if and when the hideous trans-spatial overlords swarm down a breach in the reality grid and start devouring our world like so much overripe fruit, I'll be out in the streets chucking Molotov cocktails at their soulless drone-soldiers, driving them back to Dimension X with automatic weapons and boundless love. But almost everyone on the street, even the one you might think of as an "oppressor," is a real human being trying to make a life. I have no desire to blow them up. As for civil unrest: when called-for. If you do it all the time, people will get used to you.

Revolution can be inclusive. And it happens, first of all, in the head. Without that, it's just a punch-up, and the bigger guys are going to win.

3. But why aren't you discussing anything important/serious/cool?

We are. But if you don't see a thread that interests you, please go ahead and start one of your own. Posting interesting questions or ideas will usually get relevant responses. If people start derailing your thread with pointless jokes and sidelines, you can always tell ‘em off for it.

4. Does Grant Morrison hang out here?

If he does, it's not under his own name—and frankly, it’s pretty unlikely: Mr. Morrison is notorious for his lack of Web-savvy and for his technology-disrupting personal electromagnetic field. Besides, he’s probably too busy writing cool comics and helping maintain his own web presence at www.grant-morrison.com . If you want to communicate with the man, that’s your best bet--he’s been very good about answering his e-mail there.

5. How many people actually contribute to this thing?

It’s hard to say, on account of all the fictionsuits.

6. What is a fictionsuit?

We all are.
Grant Morrison (him again!) coined the term “fictionsuit,” and every time it was used in The Invisibles it seemed to have a slightly different meaning. In the context of Barbelith Underground, it’s simply an online name—or more properly, an online persona. People may have one or several, or several people can share one (although that gets a little crowded sometimes), and often a single person will use different “suits” to explore/express different points of view, different aspects of himself/herself.

6. What's does “Barbelith” mean, anyway?

Another Invisibles reference. In the comic, it’s first explained as a mysterious satellite hidden behind the Moon... but it gets much weirder from there. Grant Morrison claims the word came to him in a dream: depending on which spurious back-formation you care to believe, it means “alien stone” (barb as in barbarian = outlander), or perhaps “bearded stone” (cf. the Gnostic Christ who appears to Dane MacGowan saying “I am the hidden stone and break all hearts...”

In any case, it sounds cool and seems fraught with significance but is ultimately of uncertain meaning—which means it’s up for grabs.

II: PROCEDURES

(Most of the following questions are also answered in the Ultimate Bulletin Board software FAQ, which you’ll find here. )

7. What are those little icons above people's posts?

The smiling face links to the poster's profile, the email links to their email address (if it's available), the paper & pencil let you edit your post after it's been published, and the paper & arrow let you post a reply that will quote the other person's message.

The edit function also lets you delete any of your posts. Useful in the event of double/triple postings and also if you post something and suddenly realise that it's stupid/deeply offensive (how many times I've been saved by that...) or if messes up the layout of the page (i.e., a single word that is more than 70 characters will cause annoying horizontal scroll bars).

8. What are the flames in the forum headings? Red folders with flames?

Red folders are ones that have been updated since your last visit. Ones with contain more than 15 messages, and are therefore considered "hot.”

9. What's with all the “Junior Member”/“Member” stuff?

To find out, keep posting.

10. How do the pages rule out? How does the system decide that it has a full page?

UBB creates a new page after each forty posts.

11. How do I make my words go in italics or bold?

Surround your text [ b ] with these tags [ /b ] for bold.
Surround your text [ i ] with these tags [ /i ] for italic.
Omit the spaces, and make sure you use square brackets.

12. How do I add hyperlinks to my posts?

If you include the full URL in the text of your post, the UBB software automatically turns it into a link (you don’t need to type “http://” . If you want to link to text within the post, use the [ url ] [ /url ] tags like so:
[ url = http:// www. somewebsite. com ] text within these tags will be linked [ /url ]
Omit the spaces.

13. How do I post images to the board?

The image you wish to post must already be up on the web somewhere. Post up the URL of your .jpg or .gif or .bmp with the UBB tag [ img ] and [ /img ] around it, like so:
[ img ] http:// www. somewebsite. com /someimage.gif [ /img ].
Again, omit the spaces.

14. How do I add smilies?

The UBB software renders standard smilies automatically when you type certain combinations of characters with no space between: for a full menu, see here.

15. Why can’t I automatically add my sigfile to my posts?

UBB allows for sigfiles at the moderator’s discretion. At the moment, this option is turned off, because the general consensus is that this board reads like a conversation, and sigfiles tend to break the flow of that conversation. So if you really want that Harlan Ellison quote at the end of every single post, you’ll have to type it out, every single post. It’s up to you: but sigfiles are at best a distraction and at worst the online equivalent of a “No Fat Chicks” T-shirt.

III: PROTOCOLS

16. Who moderates this board?


No one. All of us.

17. Why aren't you talking about Grant and The Invisibles any more?

There are two forums for this, Annotations and News, but since the end of the series they've seen a drastic downturn in use. The general consensus is that The Invisibles was the start, not the end. That doesn't mean you should feel discouraged if there's an element of the books you want to discuss.

18. There's about a kabillion posts on here—how do I find my way around?

The different Forums are for different topics. The areas often overlap, but in general:

The Playground is a place for people to sling shit, play games, and make pointless innuendo. Loose, silly, and generally lots of fun.

The Outside is a resource for arranging offline meet-ups.

Help is the place to ask any question not addressed in this FAQ.

The Core is where The Underground talks about The Underground. This place is a work in progress: it gets sorted out here.

The Information is the forum for current events—emphasis on "current."

The Future is for news with more wide-reaching implications—science, technology, medicine, cultural trends and the like.

The Inspiration is for collaborative writing projects, artistic exercises, language games, and discussions of issues related to creativity.

The Magic is dedicated to discussions of magickal theories and practices, and to odd psychic phenomena in general—mysticism, drugs, neuro-linguistic programming, and the like: changing the world with your mind.

The People is for profiles and information on the people and organizations that are behind the ideas and actions that are building the new world.

The Revolution focuses on the movements and the ideas themselves—political and cultural theories, philosophies big and small.

The Spectacle is for discussion of the media.

Annotations and News, as discussed in FAQ #17, are for discussions of the past and present works of comics writer Grant Morrison.

If you're not sure where your topic belongs, just take your best guess: but don't post the same topic to more than one forum, please. Tom, our Administrator, has the power to move topics to a different forum, in case you guess totally off-base.

Can anything be done to make The Underground easier to navigate? Sure. When you start a new topic, try to make your Subject line as clear and self-explanatory as possible. You may wish to use a subject header, such as
NEWS:
WEB:
FILM:
TV:
COMICS:
POLL:
EXERCISE:
INFORMATION NEEDED:
POINTER:
HYPE:
and the like.

19. Do any of you guys want to buy my comics back issues/drugs/guns/plutonium?

Possibly, but only once we've gotten to know you, and pretty much only in a more private, face-to-face situation. And we prefer barter to outright selling and buying. Random mercantilism will likely be met (like pretty much everything else) with heaped up ridicule and reinterpretation. Anything that threatens the continued existence of the board (i.e., outright illegal information) makes Tom, our Administrator and Grand Exalted Archon, nervous. When The Grand Exalted Archon gets nervous, persons, places, and things tend to disappear.

20. Can I start a thread to plug my website/comic/band/weight-loss program?

See above. Pointers and self-promotion are all right in moderation: using The Underground as an advertising medium for a wholly commercial enterprise—e.g., get-rich-quick schemes—will piss us off. And who knows what a bunch of freaks like us might be capable of, if we get pissed off?

21. Why did my post get flamed?

Did you start off by bragging about either (a) how much better/smarter/radical than us you are, or (b) a secret of existence that you know but aren't willing to tell us yet? We get those a lot, and they get old very quickly. Alternately, did you call someone a slag or act in a rude/hostile manner? There's a lot of friendly joking around here, but you may want to let us get used to you before you start throwing the insults around. Good manners are golden, even for anarchists—in fact especially for anarchists: a Collective can only hang together as long as the goodwill lasts.

22. Why do you lot make so many in-jokes? I don't understand them at all.

Because we are a twisted bunch of muppets.

You’re absolutely correct—we are constantly struggling with ourselves to keep our signal-to-noise ratio lean. In-jokes happen any time a large group of people hang out together, even virtually. At one point we thought we might use this FAQ to explain the in-jokes, until we realized that such a FAQ would be (a) 200 pages long, and (b) out-of-date the moment it was posted.

If you want to understand something, try searching in the archives or asking someone directly. Otherwise, what you'll find is that hanging around here for not very long at all will enable you to pick up on the gags and feel like one of the inner circle. Alternatively, bluff; or just ignore it. That's what most of us did.

23. Does the number 23 have any actual significance?

Well, that would be like telling, wouldn't it?
Quit reading Robert Anton Wilson and the Principia Discordia and make your own wack belief system if it's so important to you.

24. What's this "Nexus" that people keep talking about? I thought the name of the board was the Barbelith Underground...

It is: but for a while it operated under the name The Nexus, and some of the old-timers have a hard time remembering. Senility’s an awful thing.

IV: PERSONALITIES, PECULIARITIES & PARTING SHOTS

25. Who wrote this FAQ?


All of us. More or less.

26. Why does Kali talk about sex so much?

She really doesn't. Your perverse little mind is interpreting everything that she says into an unnecessary innuendo, you sick little monkeys. Now get your hands out of there.

27. What about this guy "grant"? Is that Grant Morrison?

Nope. He's some American dimwit with too much time on his hands. Has his own webpage at www.mp3.com/grant with pathetic pop songs on it. Best to ignore him, too.

28. What is The Johnson Family?

A sometimes-active collective of magicians and curious-types who first met on the Underground, a parallel board to this one with a (supposedly) greater focus on actual organization of work, as opposed to discussion & theory. It's at http://www.king-mob.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro

29. What does the “High Fidelity” thread header in The Spectacle mean?

The “High Fidelity” threads are a call for posters to offer their “top five” songs or albums in various categories. It’s a reference to Nick Hornby’s book (and the Stephen Frears film) of the same name, wherein the characters are constantly making Top Five lists.

30. Which works better, magic or science?

Which side are you on?

31. Do you guys really think jerking off will change the world?

For some of us, it seems to have worked OK so far.

32. Any last advice?

Sure. Have fun, stay loose, don’t take it all too seriously or too personally. There are a lot of strong opinions here, but that’s all they are: opinions.

It’s only a game.

Try to remember.

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Hit me, baby, one more time...

[ 20-03-2002: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]

[ 20-03-2002: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Tom Coates
05:39 / 20.03.02
Ah - more naive times. THat's great that is...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:13 / 20.03.02
Can we add something to the FAQ, or a general charter/rules thing strongly advising against impropriety? I'm thinking that Patrick Neighly is a good example... I checked, and the man hasn't posted anything besides talking about his book. Now, I don't mind his book being a topic, and I don't mind the guy - but I think that it's not right to have the guy here only to plug his book, and not engage in the rest of the community.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:34 / 20.03.02
Something along the lines of the above FAQ #20, maybe?

And to be fair, Patrick has joined in some of the gneral comics threads.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:32 / 20.03.02
Yes, like #20, but more strident.
 
  

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