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09:48 / 07.02.02

1. The opinions of others on the music will not effect yours in any shape or format.

2. The fans of the music will not effect your opinion on the music.

3. The amount of radio play or record sales (one way or another) will not effect your view on the music.

4. People talking about the music "selling out" will not effect your opinion on the music.

5. Music reviews will not effect your opinion on the music.

6. The only thing that will effect your opinion on the music is the music itself. The sound. The feeling. Everything anyone else says, any type of "image" the music has, any opinions that your friends have on the music, throw them out the door or your music mind will never be free.

I can only show you the door. I'm sure almost all of you have already walked through it, but just in case you're a lurker who is browsing this board for "cool music to listen to"... wake up.

09:48 / 07.02.02

I propose a different philosophy - in fact, we could even make it into a game!

We assign records in our collection ratings (danceability, media perception, lyrical qualilty, etc), and then use them like trumps. There can be a complex changing rating system, so that some scores vary with time (y'know, like when a band goes shite and releases an album that makes all their back catalogue sound shite like some retroactive virus - or if a band's image falls in the public perception). We then have long gaming sessions, where the winner gets everyone else's records!

Think about it: Wu-Tang would be the top trump, and everyone would be trying to get rid of Belle and Sebastian (liability!).

LET'S PLAY!

[ 07-02-2002: Message edited by: expressionless ]

09:48 / 07.02.02

I always come to the Music to get names of new acts to listen to. It's been working so far, don't want to change that.

No star here laces

10:09 / 07.02.02

1. People who don't know or care what others think about music tend to have an extensive Celine Dion and Simple Minds collection.

2. I reserve the right to assume that anyone with more than one Korn album is under the age of 16 and has never had sex.

3. Take your favourite record. Listen to it over and over again for a period of more than 10 days to the exclusion of any other music. Now tell me that didn't affect your perception.

4. The phrase 'selling out' should only ever be greeted with hoots of derision.

6. I quite like the fact that all my records are laden with associations about all sorts of other stuff, thank you. I think I enjoy 'em more that way...

Let's get down to the Top Trumps session. You will all be my bitches.

My first card is...

Roberta Flack's "The first time ever I saw your face" - beat that for unexpected emotional moment in club/car.

10:23 / 07.02.02

"No Surprises" By Radiohead - beat this one for the slit wristing of the month.

[ 07-02-2002: Message edited by: Marquis de Jade ]

13:44 / 07.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Lyra Lovelaces:
1. People who don't know or care what others think about music tend to have an extensive Celine Dion and Simple Minds collection.

But what would that say about Celine Dion or Simple Minds?
Hidden geniuses? I think not.
I remember something similar was the motivation behind the whole "Cocktail Nation" revolution - people turned their backs on commercial rock-n-roll en masse and hit the thrift stores to redefine "cool." Of course, it became a trend with peer pressure and all that.
In my case, I prowled used bins and wound up with extensive Neil Young albums (oft-remembered genius) and quite a few Ventures records (this was a few years prior to Pulp Fiction making surf "cool" again).
And... calypso! Man, I love steel drums!

quote:Roberta Flack's "The first time ever I saw your face" - beat that for unexpected emotional moment in club/car.

Top seduction number, bar none. Not sure about it being played in clubs, but this song goes beyond mere location.

quote:"No Surprises" By Radiohead - beat this one for the slit wristing of the month.

Too easy.
"Love Will Tear Us Apart" - Joy Division.
Or anything else by Joy Division (except maybe "Atmospheres"). Or anything by Codeine.
Bah!

13:51 / 07.02.02

(rushes to audiogalaxy while searching for not-yet slit spot in his wrist)

The Knowledge +1

14:52 / 07.02.02

We built this city on rock and roll by Starsailor.

01:28 / 08.02.02

Going back to the original topic, I mean Rage's one...Just by giving those commandments to be "free", you are setting rules that tie yourself...The only rule should be no rules...everything allowed

uncle retrospective

08:14 / 08.02.02

quote:Originally posted by grant:
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Too easy.
"Love Will Tear Us Apart" - Joy Division.
Or anything else by Joy Division (except maybe "Atmospheres").

What? atmospheres is one of the most shockingly downbeat songs I've ever heard and much better that love will tear us apart.

Oh, and I'll raise you all cats are grey by the cure.

On another trump card, I'll raise you slipknot's people=shit as the best full on metal song in years.

The Natural Way

08:27 / 08.02.02

Starsailor.

Umm, no. Starship.

12:10 / 08.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Know that Rage knows that you know:

6. The only thing that will effect your opinion on the music is the music itself. The sound. The feeling. Everything anyone else says, any type of "image" the music has, any opinions that your friends have on the music, throw them out the door or your music mind will never be free.

But all pop music is at least partially reliant on image & asthetic.
The image & asthetic of a band *always* effects our perception of their music, and often enjoyment is reliant on it.
"It's all about the music" is a notoriously stupid statement.

13:26 / 08.02.02

This was a dumb post. I'm embarassed. It was really meant for Live Journal, but for some reason I posted it here too. Save my thread! Save my thread!

Matthew Fluxington

13:36 / 08.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Marry me? [Runce]:
Starsailor.

Umm, no. Starship.

Umm, no.

Jefferson Starship!

The Natural Way

13:38 / 08.02.02

Huzzah! At last we have it!

Maaaaarrrriiiiiaaaaaage!!!!!!!!

14:42 / 08.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Know that Rage knows that you know:
This was a dumb post. I'm embarassed. It was really meant for Live Journal, but for some reason I posted it here too. Save my thread! Save my thread!

Hey, it got people talking....

01:12 / 09.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:

But all pop music is at least partially reliant on image & asthetic.
The image & asthetic of a band *always* effects our perception of their music, and often enjoyment is reliant on it.
"It's all about the music" is a notoriously stupid statement.

I completely agree with that, Rizla. And I think that would be a pretty good topic for a new thread...

Matthew Fluxington

02:41 / 09.02.02

Well, I for certainly disagree with Rizla on this - I know that there's a lot of musicians and songwriters whom I really enjoy who I really have no clue what they look like - this especially goes for a lot of the more obscure music I like. Maybe yr correct in the short term, but in the long term, all that remains is the recorded sound, and appearances and biography doesn't have to interfere.

03:48 / 09.02.02

Flux: in that case, I think it could be the mystery surrounding those artists that fills in the gap which would be otherwise be taken up with image, etc. The very fact that it's obscure can add its own kind of magic.

11:23 / 09.02.02

'Its the image...'

'Its the lack of image...'

lol. It couldn't just be the music perhaps?

11:40 / 09.02.02

Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
"It's all about the music" is a notoriously stupid statement.

Erm, talking of stupid statements see above.

I get a lot of tracks from filesharing programs like Morpheus/WinMX et al. Often I know the bands already and am looking for something specific. But while I'm downloading I browse the persons shared files and try tracks that I've never heard of. Found some cool stuff this way and all I have to go on is the band/track name. I guess the band name has some influence but it's pretty insignificant compared to what the music is like.

Sure the whole 'media thing' can effect the way you think about a band. But then you're probably watching too much TV in that case :P

A

11:34 / 10.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Flux = That Dastardly Dilettante:

Umm, no.

Jefferson Starship!

No, i'm pretty damn sure that they were just called
Starship when they released "We Built This City".

21:10 / 10.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Flux = That Dastardly Dilettante:
Well, I for certainly disagree with Rizla on this - I know that there's a lot of musicians and songwriters whom I really enjoy who I really have no clue what they look like - this especially goes for a lot of the more obscure music I like. Maybe yr correct in the short term, but in the long term, all that remains is the recorded sound, and appearances and biography doesn't have to interfere.

I don't mean just direct 'what they look like' image. I'd assume you know roughly what scene / genre / social context these
unknown musicians come from, and roughly what musical universe they're relating too - this effects perception of the music as well, not to mention the track names, the record label, the picture on the front of the CD - all this miscellaneous information helps shape yr. interpretation of the music..

Also,

for persistently mis-spelling aesthetic earlier in this thread .. sorry..

[ 11-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]

07:00 / 12.02.02

reminds me of a conversation i had w/ a friend a while back... how when the "meaning" of a song superseeds the actual song, like even if the song is TERRIBLE just cuz it's about "something" (dead child/american unity/the homeless/god/ect.) that people'll say it's a good song and buy it in droves and say it's good even if it isn't and the only defence they have is "it's got a good meaning" when you quiz them on why they like it... and of cource it's even worce if they like the song based on the video... blah!.. and then i went into this whole thing and i said "rock and roll used to be better when all the songs were about sex! keep that politcal action for the folk artists!"... and that always leads to my complaint to people who like folk won't see any important statments being said in other genres anyway... sigh

04:37 / 14.02.02

quote:Originally posted by uncle retrospective:

On another trump card, I'll raise you slipknot's people=shit as the best full on metal song in years.

Like how many years, cuz if its like two or three, I'm raising you to Motorheads "We Are Motorhead (Born to Kick Your Ass)." But if only one or two it's gonna be "Depraved" by Emperor.
And "Human Fly" by the Cramps is the best song about turning into an insect, especially with the line:
I've got 96 Tears for 96 eyes

uncle retrospective

05:13 / 14.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Cop Killer:

Like how many years, cuz if its like two or three, I'm raising you to Motorheads "We Are Motorhead (Born to Kick Your Ass)." But if only one or two it's gonna be "Depraved" by Emperor.

Hum.. We are motorhead is the ace of spades so doesn't count as best new song type thing. And Emperor are far too Black Metal.
But you just reminded me that cradle of filth's "cruelty brought thee orchids" is one of the better black metal numbers. Iron Madien gone nuts. Always funny.

i'll stop thread rotting now now.

19:44 / 14.02.02

Whatever, howabout Jag Panzer - King At A Price or Fear Factory -- Pisschrist. Don't make me pull out Dimmu Borgir...