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Hey kids! A *REALLY GOOD* new music magazine!

 
 
rizla mission
12:39 / 04.02.02
Yesterday I picked up the first issue (the cover says 'issue 12', but apparently that's some kind of cer-azy joke) of Careless Talk Cost Lives, a totally cool new music magazine.

It's basically everything good that the NME isn't - it's got top quality writing, nice design, cool original artwork, lengthy interviews with good bands, ranty political articles, profiles of scenes & labels, loads of reviews including lots of good stuff that doesn't get mentioned anywhere else, seems to cover just about every genre worth speaking of..

It rules so much I've already subscribed.

Doesn't look like it's made it into newsagwents sadly, but you'll be able to pick it up at all good record shops..

First issue includes interviews with / features on:

Mogwai, Electrelane, The DirtBombs, Le Tigre, Jonathon Richman, Belle & Sebastian, The Rock of Travolta, Leaf records, The Beat Happening, Spiritualized, an overview of 'underground' hip-hop and so on and so forth.

go get it!
 
 
Seth
20:51 / 04.02.02
Am I right in saying it existed on the net before it made it to the newstands?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:53 / 05.02.02
Wait, wait, wait... Everett True and Steve Gullick are running a new music paper the tagline of which is "whatever happened to the music press?", and the first issue of which features Electrelane, Le Tigre and Jonathan Richman... and they're doing it from the building I work in?

Fuck.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:59 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
and they're doing it from the building I work in?


That sounds like opportunity knocking, and I'm all the way across the ocean. Maybe you should swing by and say hi, drop off some samples, etc...

$45 for six issues is pretty fucking crazy...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:59 / 05.02.02
"Hi, I work for the incredibly dull website on the floor above, but what I really want to do is..."

No, but seriously, that's exactly what I intend to do.

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:59 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
"Hi, I work for the incredibly dull website on the floor above..."

No, but seriously, that's exactly what I intend to do.


Well, good for you. But maybe you should emphasize the fact that you are a moderator/prolific poster here and dismiss your job upstairs as a dayjob...

...and then Barbelith can take over the press, one magazine at a time...!
 
 
netbanshee
09:59 / 05.02.02
...used to be into Raygun mag for a little while a couple years back...the bands covered weren't too bad and the design at the time was on point...haven't picked it up in about two years though...

Raygun
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:08 / 05.02.02
Wow. You are the first person I've ever seen say anything positive about the design aspects of Raygun. I went to a design school, and everyone (students, faculty, professionals) just hates them, they are the people most commonly cited as being an example of how not to design print magazines, or when designers lose all selfcontrol and go into overdesign hyperdrive...

That said, Raygun had some occasional decent writing once in a while, and sometimes you could occasionally figure out how to read it, too.
 
 
rizla mission
12:35 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:
Am I right in saying it existed on the net before it made it to the newstands?


Well the website contains nothing but adverts for the magazine so .. I guess not.

And, go for it, Flyboy! I reckon their general attitude / choice of bands to cover would suit you down to the ground..

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]
 
 
rizla mission
12:38 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = Raised By Wolves:

$45 for six issues is pretty fucking crazy...


Actually that is pretty steep .. it should be noted that the first issue is about 85 pages long and costs a reasonable £2.50 in the UK.. (could I sound any more like I'm working for them?)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:52 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:

(could I sound any more like I'm working for them?)


Maybe you should work them too, Rizla. And then you and Flyboy can make me a US correspondent or something.


No, really. I'm unemployed. Help me!
 
 
rizla mission
13:14 / 05.02.02
Would if they'd take me.
www.unpop.com said they'd let me write for them today though. Which is jolly nice of them really.
 
 
rizla mission
13:14 / 05.02.02
curse these double posts!

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]
 
 
_pin
18:12 / 05.02.02
I'm betting not an island thing...

And hurrah! We now know where Flyboy works.

NOTACOMPROMISEOFSECURITYORPRIVACYATALLPATROLGO!!

You don't care, do you?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:42 / 10.02.02
Not much. I've got a plank.

Anyway, on to Careless Talk Costs Lives: I finally got into town yesterday afternoon and picked up a copy from Selectadisc. By the time I was outside the shop, I'd flicked through it enough to make me turn around, go back in and buy another one. If I wasn't kinda broke and they'd had more, I would have bought several to send to people...

Good things - so many, but here are a few:

'A Connection Is Not Made'/"Where's Our Piece of the groovy world?" - just read it. Brilliant piece on misogyny/exclusion of women in the UK music press.

'The Nu Slutz' - great article on people like Peaches ("hell, there are no women like Peaches, she's a trailblazer"), Gonzales and The Moldy Peaches: "It's not clear who's doin' what to whom, and it doesn't matter. Strap-ons are a part of every hipster's sexual repertoire these days, right?"

The following line, by the author of the above, Miss AMP, and from a live review of Mercury Rev: "It's great that old people go to gigs. I hope when I'm old I go to gigs. Although hopefully by then I'll be sitting in the fucking ROYAL BOX with some cute boy virgin with his face between my thighs..."

Stuart Murdoch from Belle & Sebastian's tour journal of Brazil. Exactly how that sounds.

The prominent space given to the demo review section.

The magnificent Electrelane centre spread. Glorious. Uh, I think if I go on about Electrelane anymore than I already have here, they'll get scared and you'll get bored, so I'll leave it at that...

The fact that many of the pieces are written by other musicians - Mia from Electrelane interviews Kathleen Hanna and reviews some album as well, Tobi Vail (!) reviews Erase Errata, for starters - on one level it's depressing in that what it implies about the wider music press in the UK, but it's good to read.

The way it smells. Hard to explain this one, but Careless Talk Costs Lives smells like the zines you get in the post from cool peeps, not the slick wanky magazines you buy in shops that drop adverts for credit cards onto the floor when you pick them up.

The passion. The bile. The general attitude. "Why are you looking at this? Is it because you care? If not, then just fuck off."

Bad things:

The 'state of hip-hop' piece tries hard not to but still falls into an underground/commerical dichotomy.

The 'Why I Hate Corporate Indie' piece - way too obvious and slight. This could easily have been in the NME. There's a much longer, sharper, better version of this rant that any number of posters from this forum could have written.

The True Report - kind of an unnecessary indulgence to have a whole page and a half of this.

The cover. Actually I'm kinda divided on that one. Maybe I just dislike it cos it's Mogwai.

Mogawi. I still think that Mogwai come off as the most irritating, nasty little tossers imaginable in interviews. Ah well.

The occasional trying-too-hard/anti-pop vibe. Too many "we hate The Strokes! isn't that subversive?" moments.

BUT.

Overall, the bits that I disagree with in CTCL, the bits that wind me up - they wind me up in the way that the Melody Makes used to what to me was its height... They make me think, and want to argue fervently... They may even end up changing my mind... They don't make me curse myself for parting with the cash (as so often happens with the NME).

Anyway, anyone who can do should buy a copy of this. It's counting down from issue 12, and according to editor Everett True: "Issue one is our Year Zero: when we reach that number we will either have replaced the music press (and gone bi-weekly) or gone bust. Either way, we win." More here (but be warned, some of the people commenting on the first issue make comics fans on the net look clever *shudder*).

It's very necessary.

[ 10-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
rizla mission
21:18 / 10.02.02
told you you'd like it.

Actually, I thought the True Report and the bit on Corporate Indie were really good/funny, and obviously I ♥ Mogwai lots .. so, er, I liked it even more!

Plus I've been staring at it over a week and I'm still finding interesting stuff I haven't read yet - of how many £2.50 magazines can you say that?

[ 11-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:39 / 10.02.02
The True Report is certainly funny, and highlights some interesting stuff, but... do we really need to know that the editor of this magazine hates the new Paul Macartney single? As in, surely we knew that already... I dunno, it just seemed like leaving an open goal for accusations of self-indulgence (although those will come anyway, and deserve only a hearty "fuck you").

It's not Mogwai's music I have a particular problem with, you know, it's them as people - which makes an 8-page feature on them slightly grating. However, let me add that if they're going to have 8-page features on bands I do like in future, I will be a very happy bunny... We need more decent long-form features/interviews...
 
 
_pin
18:44 / 11.02.02
I will get a copy of this... I will get a copy of this...
 
 
gozer the destructor
13:20 / 25.02.02
I met one of the guys, Everet True, at a Daniel Johnson gig at Mile End, London, ages ago and got talking to him about the fact that i was thinking of doing a zine, he's a really nice bloke with his head screwed on when it comes to music-where can i get a copy of this mag? by the way i started doing a zine that i email out irregularly called CLEMPT-email me for a free copy, it's just a bit of fun.
 
 
suds
13:30 / 25.02.02
i spoke to bratmobile last night!
and i told them how i get pissed off that the nme never feature female musicians and allison just told me to not buy publications that suck. that don't include women.
and i thought yeah! and i told her about careless talk, but she's not really a fan of everett true, as he was not all that cool with the riot grrrls.
but at least this magazine has a good le tigre article in it. yeah, so they're not cover stars and the article is right at the back, but it's a goddamn start and i am onboard!
roar.
 
 
Saveloy
14:19 / 25.02.02
suds:
"she's not really a fan of everett true, as he was not all that cool with the riot grrrls."

Can anyone clear up that bit of Everett True / Melody Maker history for me?

More specifically - am I right in thinking that ET had a reputation for trying to cop off with any female band members he interviewed? I'm sure I remember reading a Courtney Love statement to the effect that he took against any bands who wouldn't sleep with him.

I'm really annoyed with myself for not being able to remember, because this would have been back in the days when I read the Maker avidly. (And what did happen to Taylor Parkes?)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:27 / 25.02.02
Now, see, *I* thought I remembered that Everett True was "pals" with Courtney Love for a while (because he was "pals" with Kurt), but then they had some kind of falling out (he said she'd lost it and become too Hollywood or something). I must dig out my copy of that book with all the Melody Maker interviews from the first time bands were on the cover, I'm sure the Hole piece from that is by True. Anyway, I also have sketchy memories that ET was always taking shots at Kathleen Hanna at the time, so I thought featuring Le Tigre in the first issue of Careless Talk was a godo sign - it's not just "bands Everett likes". Unless he's changed his mind. I dunno.

Taylor Parkes is my valet. Occasionally he tries to entertain me with stories about almost copping off with Lauren Laverne, but mostly I just beat him with a shoe.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:35 / 25.02.02
Apparently Taylor Parkes used to wear a surgical truss.
 
 
rizla mission
13:35 / 26.02.02
Well that sounds like a whole bunch of rumoured unpleasantness. hmm.. not good.

But for better or worse, the first 2 issues of Careless Talk have featured stuff on a shedload of female bands/artists many of whom I'd never heard of before, so, er, that's good right?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:53 / 06.03.02
I was reading issue 11 trying to work out who ET reminds me of.

He's a grumpy old beardy man with a receding hairline who likes to play up his own importance and his frienship with hip young creators, talk about how much he drinks, swear a lot, insult the mainstream of the medium he works in, and generally be a bit of an arse. And yet he's right about a lot of things, can be very entertaining now and again, and has certainly helped provide much-needed exposure for talented artists.

Then it hit me.

EVERETT TRUE = WARREN ELLIS!
 
 
suds
15:23 / 06.03.02
is the new issue worth getting?
i saw two annoying geeks who i had a class with in my 2nd yr reading it on the bus.
 
 
rizla mission
08:41 / 07.03.02
well I think it's worth getting, but then I'm an annoying geek..
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:56 / 07.03.02
The new issue: for some reason it's gone up to £3.50, which I assume if for reasons of necessity but will not go down well, I fear.

I do like the fact that Carless Talk isn't afraid to juxtapose wildly differing opinons - they have a page with a rant against nu-metal kids on one side, and a column praising metal on the other - the latter by none other than Neil motherfuckin' Kulkarni (you are not worthy).

More thoughts to follow...
 
 
rizla mission
21:06 / 07.03.02
I think £3.50's still pretty fair actually .. I can't think of any monthly music magazines that cost less than that..
 
  
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