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El Gato Was Right: the t-shirt
22:07 / 25.01.02
So I got a recent issue of Q, and found I like Ash and Muse and a few others. Any tips for my next MP3 run?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:31 / 25.01.02
If by Britpop, you mean British rock music from the 90s, and not from other decades, I would recommend the following:

Blur - recommended LPs: 13, Blur, The Great Escape, Parklife, Modern Life Is Rubbish. all of those are brilliant records, the first album Liesure is a bit on the weak side.

songs to go for: This Is A Low, End of a Century, Girls and Boys, Jubilee, Parklife, On Your Own, Beetlebum, Movin' On, Country Sad Ballad Man, All Your Life, Country House, Stereotypes, Best Days, The Universal, Tender, Battle, No Distance Left To Run, Popscene, For Tomorrow, Blue Jeans, Advert, Colin Zeal, Coping, Ultranol, Repetition...and that's just for starters, off the top of my head. I think that Blur is one of the finest artists of any genre from the 1990s.

Pulp recommended LPs: Different Class, This Is Hardcore (to a much lesser extent: His N Hers, We Love Life)

songs to go for: Common People, Sorted For E's and Wizz, Bar Italia, Mis-Shapes, Pencil Skirt, Underwear, This Is Hardcore, Help The Aged, A Little Soul, Glory Days, The Fear, The Night That Minnie Timperely Died, The Trees, Sunrise, Birds In Your Garden, Laughing Boy, Babies, Lipgloss, Razzamatazz, I Want You, Set The Controls For The Heart of the Pelvis, She's Dead, The Professional

Oasis
recommended LPs: What's The Story Morning Glory?, Definitely Maybe

songs to go for: Supersonic, Shakermaker, Live Forever, Columbia, Cigarettes & Alcohol, Married With Children, Whatever, Acquiesce, Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, She's Electric, The Masterplan, Round Are Way, Be Here Now, All Around The World, Flashbaxx, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love?

The Verve
recommended LPs: A Northern Soul, Urban Hymns

songs to go for: Bitter Sweet Symphony, Sonnet, The Drugs Don't Work, History, On Your Own, A Northern Soul, Drive You Home, This Is Music, A New Decade, Blue, Come On

Elastica
recommended LPs: Elastica, The Menace

songs to go for: Connection, Line Up, How He Wrote Elastica Man, Generator, Car Song, Hold Me Now, Spastica, Mad Dog God Dam, Your Arse My Place, Annie, Waking Up, The Bitch Don't Work

Spiritualized
recommended LPs: Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space, Live At The Royal Albert Hall, Pure Phase

songs to go for: Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space, Come Together, I Think I'm In Love, All of My Thoughts, Electricity, Home of the Brave, Oh Happy Day, Don't Just Do Something, The Twelve Steps, Take Your Time, Shine A Light, Medication, Let It Flow, Electric Mainline, Cop Shoot Cop, On Fire

The Stone Roses

recommended LPs: The Stone Roses

songs to go for: Elephant Stone, I Want To Be Adored, She Bangs The Drums, Shoot You Down, I Am The Resurrection, (Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister, The Hardest Thing In the World, Mersey Paradise, Fools Gold, One Love, Something's Burning, Ten Storey Love Song, Breaking Into Heaven, Tears, Love Spreads, Sally Cinnamon

Radiohead
recommended LPs: Kid A, OK Computer, The Bends, Amnesiac

songs to go for: Airbag, Lucky, My Iron Lung, The National Anthem, Idioteque, Optimistic, Fake Plastic Trees, The Bends, Planet Telex, Just, Talk Show Host, Paranoid Android, No Suprises, Pyramid Song, Street Spirit (Fade Out), Exit Music (For A Film), Let Down, True Love Waits, Palo Alto, Everything In Its Right Place, Like Spinning Plates (live version), I Might Be Wrong, You And Whose Army?, How To Disappear Completely, Big Ideas, Creep, You

For starters anyway...I'll do more later maybe.

I have always disliked Suede, Manic Street Preachers, Menswe@r, Cast, The Charlatans, not to mention Ash and Muse... I would advise against them. I;ve never really been able to get into The Divine Comedy or Supergrass either...

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Sleeperservice
06:18 / 26.01.02
Also worth a try are Mansun. Attack of the Grey Lantern (1st album) will ease you into them. It's a bit more commercial. As comercial as an album with a song about a stripper vicar can be anyway Then try Six, which is highly self-indulgent on their part but takes rock music to places it's never been before.

Sleeper

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autopilot disengaged
07:03 / 26.01.02
i thought i was the only person in the world who (secretly) liked 'six'! excellent!

remember review of it wherein journo compared it with 'ok computer' as comparable futuro-experimental vibe - only, where radiohead's album was like a crashing pc, mansusn's was more like some kind of bastardized atari. which i always liked.

basically: the nu-prog, high and low.
 
 
Rose
08:48 / 26.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = Makes
The Verve
recommended LPs: A Northern Soul, Urban Hymns

songs to go for: Bitter Sweet Symphony, Sonnet, The Drugs Don't Work, History, On Your Own, A Northern Soul, Drive You Home, This Is Music, A New Decade, Blue, Come On


As for Verve LPs, "A Storm In Heaven" owns.
Just an addition to Verve songs -- All In The Mind, Blue, Lucky Man, and The Rolling People are also superb songs in my humble opinion.

Also, look into Richard Ashcroft.
Songs to look for:
-A Song For The Lovers
-Lonely Soul and
-C’mon People.

That is all.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
19:47 / 26.01.02
i'm sure they would hate me saying this, but download some mp3's from nightnurse. now departed, but their album may still yet see the light of day. ash headhunted charlotte from this group. neither were as good afterwards, either, IMHO!
www.nightnurse.com
 
 
Bear
19:55 / 26.01.02
quote:Also worth a try are Mansun

You know I was listening to Mansun with a girl from America and she said that the singer sounded like Boy George, I've never been able to listen to them the same since then
 
 
Ganesh
15:12 / 27.01.02
[covering head] And hey, let's not forget Placebo, Kula Shaker and Menswe@r! [/covering head]
 
 
Fist Fun
15:29 / 27.01.02
Suede. I've made up my own Suede song. By mistake. At some point I started humming a little tune wich I though was of Suede. It goes:

Oh Angel, don't take those sleeping pills, you don't need them
Think about the time they ki-i-i-ll,
You're a water sign, I'm an air sign,
Drugged up on valium,
Sweet F.A. to do today, sweet F.A. to do today

So young, so gone,
Let's chase the drag-o-o-oo-n

Gotta hold on, hold on to her...



This song doesn't exist, but it should. It always confuses me listening to the proper versions.
 
 
Fist Fun
15:32 / 27.01.02
...oh and The Bluetones personify britpop. Bluetonic is good. Not much else though.

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Saveloy
06:35 / 28.01.02
They'd probably hate to be called Britpop, but they're very British and very pop:

David Devant & His Spirit Wife - "Work, Lovelife, Miscellaneous"

Sparky, kitsch (but reasonably butch) pop, plus lovely ballads. Cup of tea and cream cakes in a cafe on a drizzly Saturday morning type thing. A very London band, if you get me. At their peak around '97-ish. Great live show with magic tricks performed during songs.

Flux:
"I've never really been able to get into The Divine Comedy..."

The 'Casanova' album (1996) has got some cracking tunes on it, namely:

Something For The Weekend
Becoming More Like Alfie
Songs Of Love [Father Ted theme tune]
A Woman Of The World [contains whistling]

The remaining tracks don't do much for me really, but it's worth having for 'Songs of Love' alone.
 
 
Opalfruit
08:45 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:
They'd probably hate to be called Britpop, but they're very British and very pop:

David Devant & His Spirit Wife - "Work, Lovelife, Miscellaneous"



David Devant & His Spirit Wife. Great stuff, they just played a one off reunion gig in London (which I couldn't get to).


Lush - Lovelife
Lush went all brit-pop, dropping their lovely etherial vocals and shoegazy guitars. Still a good album, but I much prefer Spooky.

Whiteout - Not very well known, but they do have some classic songs, check out No Time and Jackie's Racing singles.

Arnold - The Barn Tapes.
Extremely mellow and laid back, lazy summer days songs. Songs you can just drift away too...

The Bitter Springs - Five Die Filming This Lazy Lark

Again not a Brit Pop band but very British in their music and lyrical content.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
08:57 / 28.01.02
Salad. All right, they were in absolute terms not that great, but I love them more than life itself.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:57 / 28.01.02
Thurman, all-time Top Rubbish Britpop Band, whose oeuvre includes gems such as 'English Tea', 'Famous' and 'Talk to myself':

Well, just to get by I talk to myself, just to get by
I can't deny I say to myself, 'hello'...


Oh God.

Marion, anyone?

Not sure whether Kenickie count as Britpop, but they can't be too far off.

Er... 60ft Dolls... Shed 7... Ultrasound... My Drug Hell (almost unbelivably twee, this lot). Northern Uproar.

I should be shot, really.
 
 
suds
08:57 / 28.01.02
brit-pop makes me want to kill myself. the whole 'scene', put together by the media and whatnot was predominantly white, male and pesky.
i would also like to use this opportunity to say that neil hannon from the divine comedy really terrifies me. his voice is scarier than thou. he has thin lips and a strange stare. 'national express' caused me great suffering.
that is all.
 
 
Saveloy
08:57 / 28.01.02
I was going to summarise all the various wars and rivalries that were created along with Britpop, but I've forgotten them all already. And it all seemed so important at the time! Can anyone help? So far I've got:

- Britpop vs. Futurists
loudly denounced and labelled enemy by all self-styled forward thinkers, for being so obviously in thrall to sacred cows of the 60s and 70s.

- 'Real Rock' vs. 'Pop!'
within Britpop itself you had seething hatred between the brown, blokey likes of Cast and the silvery, fun-loving likes of Kenickie. Hence there were a lot of British pop bands who railed against Britpop.

- Posh boys vs. the Oiks
Blur vs. Oasis, Menswear vs. Cast

Is that right?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:07 / 28.01.02
Kind of. I don't want to get started on the various overlapping Britpop Wars, because I really will be here all day... Oh, all right then, after lunch...

Kit-Kat: Thurman? Oh, the horror. Kudos for mentioning Marion though, who do pretty much exemplify the one-hit-wonder Britpop band... 'Sleep' = brill! Everything else = unredeemable rubbish.
 
 
Opalfruit
11:20 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Professional Greeters:
Salad. All right, they were in absolute terms not that great, but I love them more than life itself.


Have to agree with you there, still have my Signed Marijne Van Der Vlugt poster on my wall. Loved the first few singles and "Drink Me", however "Ice Cream" wasn't that great.... still they were great fun live....
 
 
rizla mission
11:43 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Kit-Cat Club:

Not sure whether Kenickie count as Britpop, but they can't be too far off.


Kenickie were far too good to ever be 'brit-pop'.
 
 
suds
11:50 / 28.01.02
i remember one time, jayne middlemiss actually asked kenickie if they were similar to the spice girls on the o-zone.

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Matthew Fluxington
12:01 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:
Flux:
"I've never really been able to get into The Divine Comedy..."

The 'Casanova' album (1996) has got some cracking tunes on it, namely:


Oh, I guess so. That's the one I know the best, my exgirlfriend circa 1997 used to play it ALL. THE. TIME.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:11 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by suds:
i remember one time, jayne middlemiss actually asked kenickie if they were similar to the spice girls on the o-zone.


I'm torn here: on the one hand, I despise Jayne Middlemiss, and will always treasure the moment when she asked the Manics what Richey would be thinking if he was watching, and one of them told her that he wouldn't be, cos he could never stand the O-Zone...

On the other hand, Kenickie, whom I adored, in many ways were similar to the Spice Girls. It's not such a dumb question... they probably had at least as much in common with the Spice Girls than they did with, say, any riot grrl band. And yes, Riz, they were also Britpop, because Britpop has had at least half a dozen different definitions. To many Americans, I know it's been used and probably still is to just mean 'British guitar music', hence Flux lists Radiohead, who have never been Britpop...

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Matthew Fluxington
12:21 / 28.01.02
Well, over here, it seems like the definition of Britpop really has more to do with the Morning Glory/Parklife/Different Class/Urban Hymns/The Bends/Vanishing Point/Ladies and Gentlemen... axis than anything else.

We were luckily spared the Shed7s, Casts, Menswe@rs, Ultrasounds, etc of the world... we were spared Manic Street Preachers and Suede too, for the most part. They've never been even slightly relevant in the US...and for that, I am eternally grateful.
 
 
suds
12:28 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:

I despise Jayne Middlemiss, and will always treasure the moment when she asked the Manics what Richey would be thinking if he was watching, and one of them told her that he wouldn't be, cos he could never stand the O-Zone...


she also asked pavement why their music was so 'out of tune'.
whatever happened to her?
flyboy, at the time of their success, every single band who had one or more female members would be asked if they were anything like the spice girls. it was insulting and ridiculous, to throw some bands in with others they were nothing like just so there could be a media-made 'scene'.
and this is why i really disliked britpop.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
12:40 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = Pop Cultural Ninja:
We were luckily spared the Shed7s, Casts, Menswe@rs, Ultrasounds, etc of the world... we were spared Manic Street Preachers and Suede too, for the most part. They've never been even slightly relevant in the US...and for that, I am eternally grateful.


Hah! Menswear were far better than your precious Pavement! What do you say to that, Englischer pig-dog?

Umm...

Suede had their moments, too, although mostly the pre-first album stuff that you Americans probably wouldn't have come across. Better than those tuneless Sebadoh wanksticks, anyway.

(Anyone see what I'm doing here, kids? Yes, I'm recreating the feeling of the glorious "Summer of Britpop")
 
 
sleazenation
12:42 / 28.01.02
If only the spice girls had been similarly treated to questions asking why they ripped off shampoo...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:44 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = Pop Cultural Ninja:
the Morning Glory/Parklife/Different Class/Urban Hymns/The Bends/Vanishing Point/Ladies and Gentlemen... axis


See, that's what's so ridiculous about the wider definitions of Britpop: how can that be a 'scene'? Those are just half a dozen wildly different albums by British bands that happened to come out within the same few years.

And you Americans didn't get Suede and the Manics at the time because you a) didn't understand them, and b) didn't deserve them. Plus the eyeliner probably frightened you off (all except the truly discerning). So there.

sude: I take your point about the media, but I'd argue that during the height of what I think of as proper Britpop, when it was all floppy hair, pointy cheekbones, sharp suits, Fred Perrys and spiky 3-minute pop songs, the British 'indie' music scene was far more hospitable to female or female-fronted bands than it is now. Elastica, Echobelly, Sleeper, Salad, Lush, Catatonia, Kenickie... They were all getting much wider and better coverage than they would now (compare and contrast the NME's 'new British guitar bands' feature last year, which was literally a single sex affair). People forget that Britpop and Lad culture weren't the same thing, and that one slightly predated the other...

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Ganesh
12:44 / 28.01.02
I liked 'Dog Man Star' better - but that's the drama queen in me...

Yep, Menswe@r were ace, for around five seconds. And Salad! Was it them who covered 'Backstreet Luve' and/or duetted with Terry 'Fun Boy Three' Blair on 'Dream A Little Dream Of Me'?

<sighs>

Britpop was the last big movement to really affect me. I've a horrible feeling that as I slowly metamorphose into Mid-life Crisis Man, I'll start wearing a Johnny Menswe@r soldier jacket, leaving 'Best of Blur' on auto-repeat and reminiscing about when Popstarz really was good.

[Celine Dion] It's all coming back to me now... [/Celine Dion]

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Kit-Cat Club
12:50 / 28.01.02
Powder!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:51 / 28.01.02


See, that's what's so ridiculous about the wider definitions of Britpop: how can that be a 'scene'? Those are just half a dozen wildly different albums by British bands that happened to come out within the same few years.


I don't think anyone was trying to turn them into a scene or anything over here. It was more like 'Britpop' was a nice word that could apply to any contemporary British rock band. It's a catchy word. It doesn't mean the same thing over here, just the same as the word 'emo' is very different in the US than elsewhere. It's actually a very, very similar situation.


and you Americans didn't get Suede and the Manics at the time because you a) didn't understand them, and b) didn't deserve them. Plus the eyeliner probably frightened you off (all except the truly discerning). So there.

oh, come on. loads of folks have been massive wearing make up in the US. Are you sure it wasn't just because the Manics and Suede had no tunes, bland guitar players, and truly awful lead singers? We've got enough middle of the road bombastic mainstream bands stateside, thank you...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:52 / 28.01.02
Ah, Powder. What was the name of the band the girl from Powder started with her boyfriend, who is in Supergrass? They did a song called 'I'm Leaving'...
 
 
suds
12:57 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Professional Greeters:


Hah! Menswear were far better than your precious Pavement! What do you say to that, Englischer pig-dog?


i am now really depressed.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
12:59 / 28.01.02
Salad did both, I believe, one for a Childline album and one for War Child.

I think we have come up against the impossibility of establishing what Britpop is. F'rexample, I would very strongly suggest that Oasis were too early, too ugly and too concerned with being a globe-conquering RAWK band to be Britpop. I would suggest that to be truly Britpop (with a very few exceptions, e.g. Pulp, whose comparatively massive success was a) flukey and b) connected to other things) one had to reference former British pop movements (either musically - like Elastica's appropriation of Wire - or aesthetically, like the beautiful neo-mods of Menswear; or, in extreme cases, by employing one fo Senseless Things) or pop culture (Echobelly's penchant for referencing St. Trinian's, punk and other recognisable "British" reference points, Pearl from Powder's Dorothy L Sayers-ish flapper look), or simply to be such that there was quite simply no way on God's clean Earth that you could ever make sense outside a British or profoundly Britannophile context (Blur during this period, and Suede passim but particuarly early on, fit this bill pretty nicely). Salad are an interesting case because their lead singer was Dutch, but scored impenetrability points for rhyming "Kent" with "Brent" in their first single and mentioning Market Harborough elsewhere, as well as saddling their supposed breakthrough hit with a video clearly reliant on having seen both "Girl on a Motorcycle" and "Orphee" to make any fucking sense whatsoever.

Flyboy - I think that would be "Perfume".

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rizla mission
13:03 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
Ah, Powder. What was the name of the band the girl from Powder started with her boyfriend, who is in Supergrass? They did a song called 'I'm Leaving'...


they were called ... LODGER!

I think I shall christen this skill 'Melody Maker-Fu'
 
 
Saveloy
13:06 / 28.01.02
I'm all for lumping indie bands together into scenes, even if they don't like it, and the media (usually it's a single journo) are the ideal people to do it for us. It's part of the fun and makes it simpler to explain what kind of music you're into. God knows, indie bands themselves aren't going to do it, are they? They're notoriously sulky about scenes ("grumble, mutter, don't wanna play with anyone else, whinge").

It's starting to come back to me now... wasn't the term Britpop invented by Melody Maker journo Andrew Mueller? I can't remember his exact definition but it relied upon a belief in a British pop tradition.

[edited having read Haus' post]

Yep, I think Haus has it, definition wise.

Okay, so who wants to do New Wave of New Wave?

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