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quote:Originally posted by Flux = Hasu Kid:
those other guys will never be able to play what I was playing years and years ago.
That is soooo the "Mr. Bungle" argument...that somehow the technical complexity of a song defines its greatness, that the more difficult a song to play, the better it is...it's such a macho attitude.
That particular argument is, yes. But that's not what I meant. I meant that I have a greater grasp of music as a whole then they do, and have learned so many more techniques that I am much more adaptable to various styles than they are. It's not about complexity. I have a much larger music vocabulary than they do, and learn much faster.
quote:I've never heard anyone with a decent education in music say that.
Why would they say otherwise?
I'm going to assume you mean "Why would they say that a formal education isn't at all neccessary to gaining a better understanding of music? After all, they did just spend a great deal of time doing exactly that and aren't keen on aditting that they've wasted their time and money" and not "Why would they say otherwise (other than that it isn't really neccessary)?"
Sure, someone who has spent years and years and plenty of money on a formal music education probably isn't likely to say "man, what a crock. I've wasted an obscene amount of money and time on this". And yes, some of them can be assholes (if you've ever had a teacher who went to Juliard, you'll know. They won't stop telling you) and are really arrogant about it. I'll give you this one without a fight.
But the thing is, many of those people have, like myself, tried both methods and would know better than someone who hasn't. I can say, through experience, a formal education is much faster and much easier if you want to become proficient in regard to writing and playing music. And it will, absolutely, never fail, increase your appreciation of music.
quote: Well, do you just mean appreatiating the music that follows the rules? A great many people I know who have been classicaly trained in music become horrible music bigots, and anything which breaks any formal music theory rules can destroy thier appreciation of a song.
First off, I've just realized that I sound horribly condensending. Sorry about that; hard day at work.
Second, you can't break music theory rules anymore than you can break the laws of physics (I'll ignore the recent work in quantum and relativistic physics, as I can't think of a musical equivalent). You can use them in all sorts of different ways, but you can't break them. Sure, most Eastern music uses a 12 tone scale, but the it's the same as the western chromatic scale. It's all the same notes, the same distance apart from each other. Eastern music requires a different way of listening for a western student to appreciate it. Some don't want to bother learning to hear differently, which can lead them to use deragatory phrases, and shame on them for doing so.
I think I should note that the "rules" of music theory aren't really rules but laws. You can arrange the notes anyway you want, there's no proper way, but there are various systems for various arrangements, and those have rules. If you flat the third note in a standard 1-3-5 chord, it becomes minor, and playing a major third in another voice over the chord will sound like it's clashing, because it is. It's not wrong, it's just that the notes will never harmonize because the wavelengths won't ever synchronize in any way.
[ 26-01-2002: Message edited by: Johnny the Zen bastard ]
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but here's the article I mentioned...