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John Zorn

 
 
toadchrist
20:58 / 16.01.02
I've recently recieved 3 Zorn/Naked City albums, and I'm awestruck. Does anyone else here listen to his stuff? Can anyone direct me on which albums to purchase next? Actually, I'd appreciate any info at all. (if it helps, the three albums I have are: Grand Guignol, Radio, and Cartoon/S&M.)
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
09:51 / 17.01.02
I'd say that the first two Naked City albums (Naked City and Torture Garden) are pretty essential. Torture Garden is much less accessable, but very rewarding if you get into it. I's also kind of fun.

His Spy Vs. Spy (which 're-interprets' the work of Ornette Coleman) and Painkiller (death metal meets free jazz) projects are also worth checking out. I also liked Filmworks, which is a lot less extreme than Painkiller or Naked City, but still interesting.

I haven't really followed Zorn's Masada stuff, but what I've heard is great. If Locust is still posting here he'll probably be able to recommend something more recent too...

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toadchrist
09:51 / 17.01.02
Thank you. I enjoyed Grand Guignol the most out of what I have, so I should go for Torture Garden especially.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:51 / 17.01.02
I'm more into the compositional side of Zorn, I think. Big cheers to videodrome - ze's the one to ask, really - who introduced me in the first place. The Masada stuff is great: I'd recommend Bar Kohkba and The Circle Maker as being necessary ports of call first. Also, his Redbird is worth picking up if you've any interest in modern classical: the title track is a piece for big, thundery, bassy drums only, while the other tune on the disc (the name escapes me at the moment) is a slow-moving minimalist thing that reminds me a little of melting ice, for some reason.

Zorn's playing the Barbican in London on the 25th March, too. Details here. Anyone from around here going? I've yet to book, and should do so...

Glad to see you've got Cartoon/S&M, too - that rocks the house.
 
 
toadchrist
00:46 / 18.01.02
It certainly does. I especially enjoyed the Looney Tunes stuff on "For Your Eyes Only".
 
 
Steppin' Razer
17:18 / 18.01.02
Give a listen to the Dillinger Escape Plan : Calculating Infinity.
 
 
Hush
17:54 / 18.01.02
Hey Steppin Razer. Are you dangerous? Do we watch you style? Cool name.
 
 
Tits win
19:28 / 18.01.02
I want Torture Garden. Where can I get it?
I want to shit!
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:50 / 22.01.02
I had to order Torture Garden as an import. I can't remember if I got it back when I worked at Tower records or if I ordered it off cdconnection.com or something.

I love Zorn. Surprisingly though, I disliked his presence in either the 2nd or 3rd Praxis album (I can't remember which off the top of my head).

Dug his influence on Mr. Bungle though.
 
 
videodrome
17:54 / 22.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Return Of Rothkoid:
Big cheers to videodrome - ze's the one to ask, really - who introduced me in the first place.


Ah, did I hear my name? Sorry, was eating garlic bread.

Anyway. If Torture Garden can't be found, go for a combination of Grand Guignol and the Elektra release, both of which are in print. Between the two they cover all of TG's ground and more. Guignol is quite a good place to start, actually, as it has both the hardcore and compostional styles represented. Though most of the non-harcore GG material is not composed by Zorn, it'll give a good idea of what he's capable of, compositionally. From Naked City, I also love Absinthe, prehaps because it bears no aesthetic relation to their other discs. Very odd, and (ahem) quietly disquieting. Word is that Tzadik will shortly be issuing a series of Naked City live discs, similar to the series done for Masada. Incidentally, TG is in print, though as part of Tzadik's Black Box release, which combines it with Leng Tch'e, the latter of which has been rumored for years to involve the Melvins. Can't comment one way or another, though it certainly sounds like it.

The Masada material is great, though ten discs is probably more than any of us need - if you get four of them you'll have probably as much as you need. Two, three and six are all great. And the stuff Roth mentioned - Bar Kokhba and The Circle Maker is the same material, but presented in a chamber fashion, with various intrumental duos re-interpreting the songs. BK is essential - a fabulous, varied set from start to finish.

The compositional stuff already mentioned is great, but don't forget The Big Gundown which is probably the disc I would recommend as an introductory purchase. He's got very little else like it, but it's great at preparing a new listener for the breadth of his material. And the new 'expanded' version is so much the better.

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videodrome
18:02 / 22.01.02
Couple more. Forgot to mention the recent The Gift, which has a kinda world/cuban thing to it. Very good, and not dissimilar from Ribot's Los Cubanos Postizos in theme. Also good though far more noisy than he's done lately is Taboo & Exile which swerves from noise to soft and back again. Features Dave Lombardo. huh. Good disc.

And if you find yerself liking the non-hardcore discs, a loud shout must be directed towards Dave Douglas, Maasada's trumpeter, who's done a number of great discs recently. Witness has a strong Naked City influence (though directed at world politics rather than jazz politics) and the Charms of the Night Sky discs have much in common with the Masada chamber series. And Soul on Soul is just fantastic, though more traditional.

And I get to see him perform Witness tomorrow.
 
 
Locust No longer
19:42 / 22.01.02
I've always been a big fan of Zorn's Elegy recording which is a very interesting and somewhat disturbing classical composition. Masada has always rubbed me the wrong way, however, because I can't stand most klezmer music. None the less I went to see them live and they were great so I'm sure I just haven't really opened myself up to them. Although, almost each disk I've heard sounds generally the same. I really like Painkiller which has the drummer of Napalm Death and Bill Laswell on bass. Painkiller's "Guts of a Virgin" LP is one always to blast for unsuspecting friends or enemies. I have a live naked city disc taken from the late 80's at the knitting factory but the sound is really shitty. I'm hoping hese new Tzadik live albums aren't going to be the same stuff but you never know with Zorn.

On another note, while I do like Tzadik's material I often find myself annoyed with the formats of the albums. The two and three disc sets are often excessive and exspensive. Many times I think Zorn could've simply fit three discs into two,and have to wonder about his motivations behind spacing them out when a more cost efficient way is so apparent.
 
 
videodrome
20:44 / 22.01.02
My guess on the Zorn/Tzadik presentation thing is this:
He could give a right fuck.
Zorn really seems to like the packaging/presentation side of things - his discs are all well-designed; there's always a pretty solid visual idea behind everything. He also has a very strong sense of the integrity of each recording, so while there's many instances where things could be smooshed together, he'd rather leave everything spaced out. And I agree with that - I think he spaces things well, and I like that he doesn't cut a song out of one live set just because it also appears in the following set.
That having been said, I appreciate the problem. For me, it's always the issue of volume - the guy releases so much that I can never hear all the stuff I'd like to; luckily my roommate is into him as well, so I get to hear new discs that way.
 
  
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