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U2: Band of the Year?

 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
14:09 / 19.12.01
According to Spin magazine's January issue, they are.


For my brothers and sisters in U2 fandom, I pulled this.

Here's Spin's interview with the entire band.

excerpts:

quote:The Elevationair jet cruises through the October Canadian sky. Just minutes ago, U2 were onstage in Montreal's Molson Centre, driving home the second show of the third leg of their monumental Elevation tour. Now, 29,000 feet up, in the front row of the band's 44-seat private 727 on the hour-long flight to Toronto, Bono slouches, shoes off, and in a voice barely above a whisper, reflects on a year marked by triumph (the stunning success of U2's tenth album, All That You Can't Leave Behind, and the accompanying tour) and painful loss (including the death of his father in August and of one of his musical idols, Joey Ramone, who spent his last minutes listening to a U2 song).

"I think if we hadn't been on tour, if we'd been at home, this would have been a very hard year for me," says the singer, who just this morning sneaked in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Jean ChrŽtien and a visit to the Montreal International Film Festival with director Wim Wenders and still made it to soundcheck in time. "I'm grateful to this band and grateful to our audience, but more so to the God that's in the music -- whatever piece of God you find."
****

**Is it frustrating that there are really no young bands that have taken up your sense of mission for rock'n'roll?**

Bono: One of my favorite groups is the Beasties, and their journey is really one to watch, from just having fun with their own middle-classness to a growing awareness of the way the world is. I mean, we were freaks. Somebody once said, comparing us with Van Morrison, that most people start off writing songs about girls and get to writing songs about God. We did it totally backwards!
Clayton: American music is kind of odd because there are certain times when it seems to be political, and then suddenly it doesn't seem to recognize politics at all. But maybe that just represents typical culture.

****
**How do you think the four of you have been able to stay intact as a band for over 20 years? **
The Edge: Maybe because we were friends before we were a band. We're not like so many groups you hear about where the members don't ever talk offstage or out of the studio. It's not like that with us -- quite the opposite. If we end up at a party, at the end of the night you'll probably find the four of us off in a corner hanging out.




More on the site.

I simultaneously found myself loving the band reading this interview, and thinking they're a tad full of themselves. But what band doing as well as they have done this year wouldn't be?

Thoughts.
 
 
rizla mission
14:19 / 19.12.01
'a tad full of themselves'? U2?

bit of an understatement..

Rabidly attacking them at every oppurtunity has proved pretty fruitless in the past however, so I'll shut up now.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:00 / 19.12.01
Hey, I love U2 as much as or more than the next guy... but unless I'm sadly mistaken and this is not in fact the year 2001 A.D. but rather 1987, then SPIN has once again got its head up its arse.
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
15:02 / 19.12.01
Yeah, I was pretty surprised, myself.

I get the feeling from reading this particular issue of "Spin' that it was put together almost immediately after the attacks because it definitely has that vibe and I think that's why U2 got it.

I also concur that 1987 was in fact the year of u2.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:11 / 19.12.01
They've released their weakest album in over a decade and enjoyed champage with the G8 delegates on their private boat at Genoa: this was the year U2 were officially twats again.

Hate away, kids.

[ 19-12-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
15:18 / 19.12.01
I REALLy don't think it's their weakest in a decade. Defend "Pop," and then we'll talk. I think the current album IS very poppy, but they did a damn good job of it.

Also, you're really not being fair about the G8 delegate boats in Genoa. Bono HAS consistently stood up and spoke with people who have power to make changes about things he believes in. Is having lunch with W and discussing globalization necessarily less effective than holding a sign in a crowd the media consistently labels "violent troublemakers?"

Discuss.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:31 / 19.12.01
Albums: Pop is a deeply flawed album, but at least it still sounds like a band who are interested in trying to do things they've not done before. Even the slightly schmaltzy moments still retain a tinge of that questioning, cynical spirit that dominated the two albums before. ATYCLB, on the other hand, has a song on it called 'Peace On Earth', and it's as bad as it sounds.

Genoa: at best, Bono is a well-intentioned but misguided, ill-informed and not-very-bright man. It would be nice to think that he could change anybody's mind, that he was making a real difference, that world leaders see a meeting with him as more than justa photo op.

The point is, those of us who aren't millionaire rock stars aren't granted the privilege of "having lunch with W", or chatting to Blair and Berlusconi in a *cough* civilised manner on their luxury boat. When protestors and journalists are then beaten up by the police, and condemned for their own 'violence' it's bad enough, but for their behaviour to be then compared to the 'reasonable dialogue' engaged in by Bono and bleedin' Geldof by the media - a process which the two gimps were complicit in, by condemning the violence themselves - that's just adding insult to injury.

[ 19-12-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
16:03 / 19.12.01
Point 1: I dunno. I still think some of the songs on ATYCLB are good. I love "Kite," and I love "In A Little While." It is what it is - a pop album. By writing an album that is so clearly accessible to the masses, that is so radio-friendly, has U2 necessarily sold out? Can you be a pop artist and still craft a decent song? Or am I thinking in a different direction here.

I WILL give you these two, however:
1): I think they have yet to to top "Zooropa."

2): My roomate, a U2 fan herself, aptly described her problem with ATYCLB. "It's not that it's not a decent album. It WOULD be a decent album, for another band. It's just that THEY CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER."

Bono as Voice of the People:
OK, you make a very good point, one that I hate conceding, and one that I hadn't considered while writing my first post:

quote:
When protestors and journalists are then beaten up by the police, and condemned for their own 'violence' it's bad enough,


"You've got me there," as they say.

Still, I DO believe Bono is sincere in his desire to help. So what would you do? As it were.

Also:
[quote]for their behaviour to be then compared to the 'reasonable dialogue' engaged in by Bono and bleedin' Geldof by the media - a process which the two gimps were complicit in, by condemning the violence themselves - that's just adding insult to injury.


I never said this. But maybe you weren't talking about me. I'm not necessarily saying what Bono et. al do to "solve the problems" is BETTER but I am throwing the idea out there. And what would YOU do if you had a billion dollars? Me, I'd like to work on some sort of ad-free publishing co., but that's me. I do think, however if you have the OPTION to go through channels of power that are closed to the general public you have the obligation to USE them.

Why not? Am insulting those who were hurt and demonized at Genoa if I manage to get The Powers that Be to listen to me for five minutes on the issues that those on the outside are screaming and bleeding and begging to be heard?
 
 
bio k9
16:04 / 19.12.01
The entire January issue of Spin was about how everything has changed since 911. U2 concerts now bring hope to the land, the Strokes drop an anti-cop song from their debut, the Cannibal Ox album was recorded in a time when Ny was a rough place but at least it wasn't a smoldering bullseye... the list goes on. Nothing escaped the reach of 911 in the new Spin.
 
 
bio k9
16:07 / 19.12.01
And the magazine is crap because they're all a bunch of former art school students.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:15 / 19.12.01
I don't take issue with U2 as 'band of the year', becuase in the mainstream sense of things, they were...they tapped into a zeitgeist, they had a really big tour (which was good, I saw a show), had 4 really massive hit singles. Bono was omnipresent. Fair enough.

I do take issue with their Top 20 records of the year. That was just a fucking sham. I refuse to take any list which has System of a Down at #1 and includes the American Pie 2 soundtrack seriously.

SPIN isn't all bad. They average a few decent articles/write-ups an issue, and have some really funny bits all of the time. They are without question the best mainstream music publication in the US...I'd rate it about the same as Q or Select in the UK.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:25 / 19.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
Albums: Pop is a deeply flawed album, but at least it still sounds like a band who are interested in trying to do things they've not done before. Even the slightly schmaltzy moments still retain a tinge of that questioning, cynical spirit that dominated the two albums before. ATYCLB, on the other hand, has a song on it called 'Peace On Earth', and it's as bad as it sounds.


I have no problem with U2 trying to keep doing something fresh. But Pop was only half a good album, and the other half was average at best, at worst actually awful. All That you can't Leave Behind sounds like U2 of yore, yes. That was the intention. And the songs sound fresher and more immediate than any they've produced for a while (the horrible 'Peace On Earth' is an anomaly) - which was also the intention. If you accept that, then they've totally succeeded with this album.

quote:...at best, Bono is a well-intentioned but misguided, ill-informed and not-very-bright man...

Jesus, what is he at worst?! Not very bright? What on earth is that based on? Certainly not over twenty years of thought-provoking and witty, intelligent interviews in all kinds of media. I don't love the guy, and I'll probably go with you on 'misguided' - my own feeling is that he loves the fact that he can get involved a little more than he should - but he's not stupid by any stretch. Characterising him as such is a little lazy, as it's refutable just by clicking on the link at the top of this page...

Band of the year? Depends on your criteria - or your mandate as a magazine, if you're SPIN...

So anyone got any intelligent alternatives? If so, explain your reasoning (please god, not just "I weally weally wike their new album")...

I don't have one. It's been a shitty year...
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
16:28 / 19.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Bio K9:
The entire January issue of Spin was about how everything has changed since 911. U2 concerts now bring hope to the land, the Strokes drop an anti-cop song from their debut, the Cannibal Ox album was recorded in a time when Ny was a rough place but at least it wasn't a smoldering bullseye... the list goes on. Nothing escaped the reach of 911 in the new Spin.


You are correct, sir. And the "American Youth after 911" bugged me intensely. Probably because it proclaimed "the end of the anti-war youth" and featured tons o' quotes by kids saying things like "I can understand why people may have had a problem with the Gulf War, but we CAN'T let 'them' get away with this." I was pretty incredulous, like "Is this a propaganda article? Or was it written so soon after 911 they were afraid to offer any dissenting viewpoints? Surely they (staff) don't BELIEVE this?"

But Spin ALWAYS has something in it that makes me laugh. The "are you emo?" quiz was very funny, and I loved plot of Moulin Rouge as "Nicole Kidman falls in love with a straight guy - and boy, can he sing!"
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:36 / 19.12.01
I'm going to stick up for POP...it's a weird little record, and it doesn't know what it wants to be, it is sequenced as if it was a set of four three-song EPs, but it's okay. Not every record has to be perfect. I think it stands among their best work, and in spite of its eclectism (not always a bad thing, mind you), I think it's a more solid and consistent record than The Joshua Tree or All That You Can't Leave Behind, which both benefit from huge classic hits, but a lot of filler. The only songs I really classify as 'weak' on POP are "If You Wear That Velvet Dress" and "Discotheque". "Staring At The Sun" is a great song, but recorded poorly, the mix and arrangement are far too busy. I wish I could go in and mix it down to just acoustic guitar, the organ, minimal percussion, vocal, bass, and Edge's lead guitar (minimized out of overdub heaven). "Last Night On Earth" is a pleasant re-write of "Even Better Than The Real Thing", "If God Will Send His Angels" is a nice little neon-colored ballad, "Mofo" is a worthwhile experiment in industrial, "The Playboy Mansion" is a fun little tune. "Gone" "Please" "Wake Up Dead Man" and "Do You Feel Loved" stand among the best work they've ever done, I think.

If you haven't already, try to find a copy of the acoustic guitar/piano version of "Please" that they played nearly every night of the third Elevation tour leg...fantastic.

POP is good. I think it's better than War or Boy or Rattle & Hum, but not as good as Zooropa, Achtung Baby or the best songs off of Joshua Tree and The Unforgettable Fire.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:39 / 19.12.01
quote:All That you can't Leave Behind sounds like U2 of yore, yes.Except, of course, that it doesn't. It sounds like a fucking Rod Stewart album.

I'm gonna quote what I said yest'y about Big Country, because it holds for U2 as well: The band became much less interesting once they learned to play their instruments "properly," when competence was substituted for inspiration and the tunes became more generic rawk, increasingly content to recycle "classic rock" riffs.

Once upon a time, The Edge was a guitar player with a distinctive and instantly recognizable style--a style based as much on his limitations as on his abilities, as distinctive for its incompetence as its innovations--innovations that were made necessary by the limitations.

The Edge is, these days, a very solid, very competent guitar player. Now, he can play just like everybody else. And so he does.

Am I perpetuating the myth of the untatinted, "pure" musical primitive? I don't think so: bands don't always sacrifice inspiration for expertise. But it does happen, sometimes, and I think it's happened here.

All That You Can't Leave Behind is the sound of a band coasting on its chops. The chops are sharp, sure, but the riffs are utterly pedestrian.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:49 / 19.12.01
Actually, the worst/most tasteless/misguided thing U2 did all year was their decision to scroll the names of those killed on the 4 airplanes and the NYPD/FDNY members who died up on the screen during their big "Walk On" encore. It ruined a whole evening for me, jolted me right out of a fun night back into realizing I was in NYC about a month after this whole thing happened. Then the morons in the crowd started chanting USA, USA!

But ATYCLB is the musical equivalent of mom's mashed potatoes: unsurprising and maybe a little bland, but definitely the right thing at the right time. Bono's lyrics have never been less dorky or less hokey than they were on ATYCLB, so I can't see how they would disqualify it from ranking with U2's best (the best being Acthtung Baby and Zooropa, IMHO).
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
18:20 / 19.12.01
Wow. interesting that lots of the real criticism here is coming from folks who have professed to be big U2 fans in the past. Wondering if you guys just really feel let down by "ATYCLB." Or by U2 in general.

Me, I'm a diehard optimist. I'll always have a soft spot for the band, and I'll always be biased, so I admittedly want to find things to still like about them.

I WAS pretty disappointed with the last album when it came out, but then someone bought if for me for christmas. I listened to it, and it started to grow on me. And then I came to really like the first half (except for beautiful day which I still can't stand).

Am I right about the disappointment, however?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:41 / 19.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Todd is my Co-pilot:
Bono's lyrics have never been less dorky or less hokey than they were on ATYCLB,.


Reeaaaalllllly?

some choice cuts of prime dorkery on All That...

quote: You could have flown away--
a singing bird in an open cage,
who will only fly,
only fly, for freedom.


quote: Grace, it's a name for a girl;
it's also a thought that could change the world....
Grace finds goodness in everything


quote: When you look at the world,
what is it that you see?
People find all kinds of things
that bring them to their knees.


quote: No one cries like a mother cries
For peace on Earth


quote: I'm a man;
I'm not a child--
a man who sees
the shadow behind your eyes.


quote:The last of the rocks stars,
when hip hop drove the big cars,
in the time when new media,
was the big idea . . .


quote: It's a beautiful day /
Don't let it get away.



The whole record is like a self-help tape set to music...I think most of the lyrics are pretty damn cheesy. The only lyrics I like on the record are the more sexual lyrics on "In A Little While" and "Elevation"...
 
 
Francine I
09:30 / 20.12.01
Hmm. Looks like we're putting very personal arguments dealing with how you relate to music and words in the context of some kind of objectifiable entity with absolute boundaries.

Taste is not a totalitarian regime.

That being said ... I think I'd also like to point out that it's stunningly easy to become disappointed with any band that spends this long in the spotlight. Any person. Any thing. Look at Bob Dylan. I don't care what he puts out, people are going to say it's crap. Because it's not fucking Blowin' in the Wind during the sixties. That's why. You can't win.

Sure, you know. This whole Bono G8 thing -- that's objectifiable. And that's irritating. And that certainly makes it easy for us all to generate "Us" and "Them" diachtomies in spades. But, y'know, it's probably been a great deal of time since Bono or his buddies have seen the real world beyond a learjet. And that's called 'Success'.

Funny what money can do to you.

But.

That has no bearing on their music. And their music has no bearing on their politics. That's not to say there's no emotional relationship between the two for another party. I might have a tendancy to feel a little less tolerance for music produced by a band who's politics I dislike. I didn't take the time to really listen to Radiohead until I realized that for a month before the Seattle WTO protests, you couldn't get into their site. You couldn't buy things from them. You couldn't read about the band. All you could do was read three pages talking about why the protest was important. And, of course, link to other sites with more information.

That's pretty fucking cool.

And I listened to more Radiohead that day. I wanted to know if Yorke's politics came out in his lyrics.

But -- back to the reason I told this story in the first place -- Yorke's politics do not make Radiohead's music any better. Period. Radiohead's good, sure -- and I resonate with Yorke's politics. But this does not a "Big Fan" make. I guess.

Or something.

I'll shut up now.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:30 / 20.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Foxxy Feminist Fury:
Defend "Pop," and then we'll talk.
The album's redeemed entirely by the almost-porno guitar riff in "Discotheque". That's it. You need no more. It ain't no Zooropa, but it ain't bad, either.

The last album, however, was damned by the fact that "Beautiful Day" is "The Sun Always Shines On TV" after a bit of a dust-off.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
10:37 / 20.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = American Aquarium Drinker:



The whole record is like a self-help tape set to music...I think most of the lyrics are pretty damn cheesy. The only lyrics I like on the record are the more sexual lyrics on "In A Little While" and "Elevation"...



Oh, Flux, what I meant to imply was that Bono' lyrics have always been dorky, not that they got less hokey on thsi album. Sorry for the mixup. You are right about everything you quoted, of course.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:20 / 21.12.01
I think that the lyrics of Achtung Baby and Zooropa (plus significant chunks of POP, Rattle & Hum and The Joshua Tree) are really fucking great, so I do think that the lyrics have become MORE dorky and over-the-top on the new one... He's back to the Boy/War/Unforgettable Fire kind of lyrics...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
08:47 / 24.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
It sounds like a fucking Rod Stewart album.


That's just silly. All of us have at some point actually heard Rod Stewart (unfortunately). So we should all know that this statement is not actually true. And the fact that you can't understand the difference between the sound of a competent-to-excellent (over their career to date) arena rock band and that of a useless, ugly old bastard reliant on other people's talent and a string of tall blondes to keep him in the public eye doesn't exactly validate any further opinions you hold on U2.

But the 'primitive is pure' thing here is just asinine. You back that up with comments concerning the guitarist, having re-read your post. As he isn't the only member of the band to write the music, and rarely has a hand in the lyrics, you're just taking the 'little white boy' approach (Guitar Is God). If anything, Larry Mullen (the drummer, fact fans) is the driving force behind the decision to make a pop album this time. And if, rather than talking about the last LP, you're generalising about all of their recent output, then you very clearly don't know what you're talking about, because they're quite different albums. Do you see? 'Gone' on Pop purely exemplifies your love of The Edge's more minimalist guitar work, by the way, as does 'The Ground Beneath Her Feet' on ATYCLB, InMyAchingTeethO.

Actually, my teeth really do fucking hurt. I'm off to the dentist.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:13 / 24.12.01
Ah, but "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" isn't on ATYCLB, at least not in the States: it's on the Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack, which had a moody reach that I quite liked, and which gave me high hopes for ATYCLB--hopes that were dashed when I heard the record.

Let me clarify: there's not a song on ATYCLB that would sound out of place on a Rod Stewart album.

Also: neither Larry Mullen nor Adam Clayton could play all that "well" when the band started--and a large part of the sound of the early records is the sound of a band working around their technical limitations, and of those workarounds leading to interesting discoveries.

U2 had never made an album like ATYCLB before, that's true--but millions of other acts had. ATYCLB is the sound of a band re-inventing the wheel.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:36 / 24.12.01
"The Ground Beneath Her Feet" is on the UK versions of All That You Can't Leave Behind as a bonus track.

I can see the Rod Stewart thing on "Wild Honey" and "Peace On Earth" but not the rest of the LP. I think you're a bit over-the-top there, Jack.

I also fail to see how ANY of the band's work prior to The Unforgettable Fire LP is even remotely close to being as great as their work on Achtung Baby and Zooropa...most of it is pretty awful, actually. There's a few decent songs here and there: "11 O Clock Tick Tock" "I Will Follow" "A Day Without Me" "October" "New Years Day" "Sunday Bloody Sunday" "40"---but most of it is sooooo weak.

If anything, the songs on POP push their work on Achtung/Zooropa in a less commercial area, and All That... pushes it into a very commercial area. It's that simple. What is "Elevation" other than "Even Better Than The Real Thing Part III" and "New York" as "Zoo Station 2000"?
 
 
bio k9
19:41 / 24.12.01
quote:Originally posted by me:
And the magazine is crap because they're all a bunch of former art school students.

As am I but... I just realised this sounds like an attack on flux=mightymorphinnamechanger more than anyone else and that wasn't my intention. I just have a low opinion of most art students. And I'm bitter cuz I never finished. Sorry.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:36 / 24.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Bio K to the Nizzine:

As am I but... I just realised this sounds like an attack on flux=mightymorphinnamechanger more than anyone else and that wasn't my intention. I just have a low opinion of most art students. And I'm bitter cuz I never finished. Sorry.


Well, I probably have an even lower opinion of art students (and people in the 'art world'), and I just finished.

For those who may not be aware: all of the worst stereotypes are true.

I've seen more terrible art (and obnoxious justifications of said terrible art) than anyone should ever have to see in a lifetime. Fun fact: the most obnoxious and talent-free of all art students flock to the photo department because you need the least amount of natural talent to pull it off! Whoo!
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
21:51 / 24.12.01
U2 have never done anything that wasn't commercial. Even most of Zooropa. They're a pop/rock band. And no, there aren't any songs on ATYCLB that sound like anything Rod Stewart has ever done, except, maybe, at a pinch, 'Wild Honey' - which has the dynamic shift two thirds of the way through that provides the U2 signature.

Adam Clayton still can't play that well, but he doesn't need to in a band like U2. Larry Mullen developed quite nicely into an excellent rock drummer within a short period of time. I think Frances is right, Jack - you're just attempting to apply a reasoned argument to justify personal taste.
 
 
glassonion
21:32 / 26.12.01
u2 band of the year? oh yes. absolutely. next year too don't forget.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:10 / 27.12.01
Could be. By all accounts, the record that U2 is recording *RIGHT NOW* is 'punky' 'dirty' 'noisey' and 'full of great melodies shining through the racket'.

Sounds very promising.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
16:15 / 04.01.02
Well, I own all of their albums, and I suppose at one point you could have called me a rabid fan - but I was really surprised by SPIN's cover, too.

On one hand, I saw them live this past year and I have never, ever felt that good without the use of illicit substances. They put on one hell of a show, and they're worth it. And I was with my parents to boot!

On the other hand, they're just wallpaper in the music room anymore. To me, the fact that SPIN calls them the band of the year means that they really don't have a fucking clue what is happening to the music scene, where it's going and who will end up in the Major Influence Chair. I kind of like that, because I'm in the same boat and it pisses me off that someone from SPIN should be able to tell me (and musicians, while we're at it) what really matters. Frankly, I don't think anyone has their finger on the pulse of the popular music scene at the moment. And I'm cool with that.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:19 / 04.01.02
Well, the other thing we've gotta do is consider the source.

It makes perfect sense for SPIN to anoint U2 band of the year, really: I've been reading SPIN on and off since it started in 1985 and it's always been schizophrenic in a sense, in that it's pulled between avant-garde and populist instincts--there'd be features on all these deep-underground acts (Test Dept., Blowfly, Jandek, the Desperate Bicycles...) wrapped around a fawning paean to, uh... John Mellencamp?

Sure. Publisher Bob Guccione Jr. surround himself with very hip people, but his own musical tastes are, by all accounts, smack-dab in the mainstream--and so SPIN, for all its Beefhearts and Swell Maps and Sonny Sharrocks and Neubatens, has always had plenty of room for meat-n-potatoes rock'n'roll.

U2 was probably the only show Guccione went to last year: ergo, they must be Band of the Year.
 
  
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